Tech News Weekly Episode 226 Transcript

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Mikah Sargent (00:00:00):
Coming up on Tech News Weekly. I, Mikah Sargent, and Jason Howell have a great show plan for you. First, we talked to Geoffrey Fowler of the Washington Post about Apple's newly announced, iPhone SE trust us. It is not a phone to overlook. Then TechCrunch's own Amanda Silberling stops by to talk about Meta slash Facebook, adding parental controls finally to it's Oculus quest slash Meta Quest's headset. That all gets very confusing, but Amanda breaks it down for us. Then our stories of the week first, you may have forgotten about Clubhouse, but Russians are actually using the platform to get the news they need and so much more. And then I round things out with my story of the week about WordPress and Tumblr are striving to keep the internet weird. Thank you, Matt Mullenweg and Automattic for keeping that going. All of that is coming up on tech news, weekly

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Mikah Sargent (00:02:04):
Hello and welcome to Tech News Weekly. The show where every week we talk to and about the people making and breaking the tech news. I am one of your hosts Mikah Sargent

Jason Howell (00:02:13):
And I'm the not so green guy today. Unfortunately, Jason Howell. I wish I had a green jacket. Your jacket is snazzy.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:20):
Thank you!

Jason Howell (00:02:20):
I have to say.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:21):
Thank you. I appreciate that very much.

Jason Howell (00:02:22):
All right. Let's start things off talking about Apple. We, this is like the week of Apple reviews. Yes. And when I thought about the peak performance event and the reviews that were, you know, kind of streaming in throughout the week, I thought, yes, we're used to hearing about, you know, the, the M one ultra and the max studio and the studio display. All those things seem to get at a lot of the headlines and a lot of the publicity from the event. But then we also have some, you know, some other hardware, which I would say in many ways, device, like the iPhone se is actually pretty darn important in the grand scheme of what Apple's doing. And so today joining us to talk about his review of the iPhone se is Geoffrey Fowler from the Washington Post. Welcome back, Jeffrey.

Geoffrey Fowler (00:03:05):
Hello? Hello. Hello.

Jason Howell (00:03:06):
It's awesome to get you back. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a while. First of all, before we kind of jump into this, not everybody has a thousand dollars to spend on a smartphone, even though at this point this day and age, it feels like all of the premium smartphones, there are a thousand, maybe they're even a little bit more than that. So it's easy in the tech, like the tech fanatic sphere or the tech journalist sphere to think that those are the phones that matter. But is it safe to say that the iPhone se is actually really important to what Apple does because of its lower price point? What do you think about that?

Geoffrey Fowler (00:03:42):
Hugely? important. So I write for the Washington Post. Most of my readers are not among the tech enthusiast set. They are ordinary folks. People's, you know, uncles and aunts and grandmas. All of whom now need a phone to do the things in their life too. And they don't have a thousand dollars to spend on a new device or even $1,500 with some of these phones cost now and they're actually scratching their heads a little bit, why they ought cost that much. We've had phones smartphones around for, well over a decade now. And the price keeps going up on them. Even though the innovation and the new stuff that it does for you, isn't really going up. As we know with technology, things should get cheaper over time, right. Because you're able to to, to squeeze the margins yeah. And figure it out. So that's definitely not happening a smartphone. So anytime Apple is willing to put out a device that costs a phone something as important as an iPhone that costs only $430, that's gonna make a big impact on people.

Jason Howell (00:04:42):
Yeah. And not only that, I mean this, this year, especially, you know, with some of the, the changes that we're gonna talk about on, in the next few minutes, it's not like this device is a slouch, right. And I mean, and actually this isn't the only example of this, right. Google's been doing this with their pixel, a series making some pretty formidable phones in same price category. So I feel like now more than ever this like 400, 500, $600 price range is more competitive than it's ever been. You're actually getting a, a very compelling device in that price category. Whereas before you might have to make some serious trade offs. And that seems to be the case here, where do you stand on the, the design debate? Because I've seen some people in their reviews say, you know, this is the classic iPhone look. And then others say it's a very dated iPhone look, where do you stand on that debate?

Geoffrey Fowler (00:05:35):
You know, to me, it looks almost exactly like the iPhone seven. Do you remember the iPhone seven with that piano black finish? That was so smooth. And it felt like a pebble in your hand. This is really similar to that. And some people love that. Some people still love the home button. I mean, until earlier this week, you, it was still the most convenient way to unlock a iPhone while you were wearing a mask.

Jason Howell (00:05:58):
Yeah, it's true.

Geoffrey Fowler (00:05:59):
So I think there's plenty of reason to, to, to like it, and frankly wish that Apple would, you know, use that technology that exists to put the fingerprint reader on screen to put it into their high-end phones too. So I'm, I'm here for the folks that, that still want a home button and a fingerprint reader. I have to say for me as someone who's been using one of the, sort of more squared off iPhone designs that we've had since the 12 and the 13, it does feel here in my hand a little bit slippery. Like I found that I kept like, whoops, whoops, going outta my hand while I was using it. But you know, again, that's just something you get used to over time.

Jason Howell (00:06:32):
Yeah. And I mean, a lot of people are throwing cases on these devices anyways. So at least that's that it's me. If I don't throw a case on it, it's, it's destined to hit the floor. Let's talk a little bit about, I think one of the biggest upgrades here is the chip inside which is the same chip that you can find even in the top of the line, iPhones, the iPhone 13, how is there, like I realize it's the same chip and we get, you know, perhaps this same performance, but when you're talking about a smaller phone that, that has different, you know, sizes of battery and, you know, is using the device differently on a smaller scale versus the large scale premium device, are you actually getting better performance out of a device at this size? What, what has been your experience with the, with the chip set?

Geoffrey Fowler (00:07:16):
I haven't found that I'm, that there's sort of a noticeable difference. I mean, one of the challenges that Apple faces here is they always, you know, really talk up their chip improvements in the iPhone. But for the last couple of generations, it's become really hard for most people to really tell the difference. Unless you're doing some very, you know, sort of intense and specific gaming kinds of things, right. And frankly, that's not what the people who are using are gonna buy an iPhone se are doing for me the biggest and most important thing about that, that chip being of this phone is that means that this phone can last longer. And that's a big key thing for folks who, you know, who this is a, a, a strain on their budget to, to buy a new iPhone. They want one that's last them, you know, five, six years. And the news here is that this one might at least in terms of the chip, even if the battery might not lasted that long. And I know we'll, we'll get you to the battery in a few minutes. But so that to me is the most important part of having that chip.

Jason Howell (00:08:12):
Yeah. I mean, we can talk about the battery now and you actually, you actually mention in your article that like replacing that battery, even when you get to that point, I mean, it's not that expensive. It's like what $49, something like that. So the idea of, and mind you, I'm on Android, the idea of having a device, being able to be relatively confident that this thing's gonna last you six or seven years, maybe you spend $49 to replace the battery. Like, I'm pretty jealous of that to be completely honest. That's pretty great. How, how does the battery perform?

Geoffrey Fowler (00:08:45):
So this is where we get the, the sad trombone sound effect of, of this you're review. Thank you very much. Yeah. Welcome. I had a lot of difficulty getting it to last more than 12 hours. Oh, you know, I'd wake up in the morning and start using the phone and, you know, not even necessarily that taxing, I know when, when some reviewers really hammer these phones you know, that could be sort of an unnatural use experience. I really kept that in mind with, I was using the phone, you know, FaceTime with mom a little bit, take a couple photos, answer some emails, but it was usually dead or dying by six or 7:00 PM. So that is not great. And that's even after Apple says that versus the previous generation of the essay, which came out two years ago, they changed the battery chemistry.

Geoffrey Fowler (00:09:35):
And of course that new chip is also supposed to be more power efficient. Now Apple claims that it will last, it'll go two hours longer than the previous generation se, which was also known to be kind of a disappointing battery life phone. I think it's really, really, really gonna depend a lot on the 5g coverage in your neighborhood. I live in the middle of Stanford Francisco and I have at and T service on this phone and at, and T's 5g service in the middle of San Francisco is terrible. So I think one of the things that's going on with with the poor battery life on this phone is that it has to use more power to try to reach that signal, you know, wanna make a phone call to somebody. And that is draining the power faster throughout the day. Problem is lots of Americans are in the exact same position as I am. Yeah. that they don't have good 5g coverage where they are. And so it is gonna be a drain on the phone, even though Apple has put some technology into iOS that supposedly should like switch off the 5g when it's not useful for you. I just didn't find that it was helping me here.

Jason Howell (00:10:37):
Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. That's, that's important to know, although, you know, nice to know that this device actually does support 5g, but as with anything with 5g, really, you know, it, it has yet to be proven to be anything more than your results, you know, may vary your mileage may vary. You really never know kind of what kind of coverage you're gonna have wherever you happen to how your device actually manages that. And I know this device doesn't support all bands of 5g, right?

Geoffrey Fowler (00:11:03):
That's correct. You know, a after any Apple product launch, I feel like one thing that journalists do and, and can do to be of service is to say like, okay, the things that they didn't mention and you need to understand them as well. And one of the things that Apple didn't is that this device does not support millimeter wave. So that's the fastest band that particularly Verizon has really invested a lot in. So it can't connect to that. But you know, frankly, so far that's in, you know, busy downtown corridors and, you know, stadiums and, and that kind of stuff. And so of no use to me here. Another thing that they didn't mention is that, although this has, this phone has access to all of the, most of the same photo processing capabilities as a as the top of the line iPhone 13, it doesn't have access to what's the most important one and that's night mode. So the camera on this phone can, can feel very dated and very limited as soon as you get in slightly dark situations.

Jason Howell (00:12:04):
Yeah. That's, that's a challenge we've gotten very used to these like really powerful night modes, really kind of solving the, this legacy issue of low light mode. And it's just gotten so much better and so much better. So it's hard to step back when you don't have that overall verdict, like obviously this is the right phone for a certain user. What, what's your verdict on this?

Geoffrey Fowler (00:12:27):
Yeah. I, you know, if you have low expectations for, on low needs for what you're gonna use a phone for then you're gonna meet them with these, with this phone and you should, you should go ahead and buy it. But you should go in knowing what it is that you're not gonna get. And if you don't care about those things, if you're, you know, if you actually, one of these people that turns off their phone during the day when they're not using it, I know a lot of folks do that. Then great. The battery life won't be a problem if you're, you know, trying to be Ansel Adams taking cool night photos, you're gonna, you're gonna be just fine. But you should definitely know what you're not getting. And also what the trade offs come from. Sort of furthering yourself in that Apple ecosystem, because the phone itself might cost $429, but Apple now has more and more ways to try to extract money out of view. Oh yeah. With for services, including ads that litter, you know, all over the iOS screens for things like iCloud and Apple news and all these other sorts of things. So they can make make money from you.

Jason Howell (00:13:25):
Yep. Yes, indeed. I get more and more used to things like that. So well thank you for hopping on with us today. Jeff Fowler always have a lot of fun talking with of you and I really enjoy your work on the Washington Post. So everybody should read it, Washington, post.com. If people wanna follow you online work and they find you

Geoffrey Fowler (00:13:42):
I'm onTWiTter at Geoffrey Fowler with a G like the giraffe from toys, us of our, of our youth.

Jason Howell (00:13:48):
If you can remember toys us at this point, fond, I do. I'll never forget fondly. Yes. Fondly. I used to have a Jeffrey, the draft mascot right on. Thank you. Now

Geoffrey Fowler (00:13:58):
You got me.

Jason Howell (00:13:59):
I got you. There you go. Thank you so much again, we'll talk with you soon. Take care, take

Geoffrey Fowler (00:14:04):
Care.

Jason Howell (00:14:06):
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Mikah Sargent (00:16:47):
All right, back from break. And now it is time to talk about the Meta west. So let me start by laying out the, the basics here, when we're talking about Meta, we're talking about that company that used to be called Facebook. When we're talking about the Meta quests, we're talking about the Oculus quest that is now called the Meta quests. So I just wanna get that out of the way for all of you listening out there. I'm

Jason Howell (00:17:09):
A little

Mikah Sargent (00:17:09):
Dizzy yeah, we all are. And it's not because of VR that we're dizzy, right. Meta has released the, well, I guess even before Meta purchased Oculus and acquired that company the Oculus quest has obviously been out for a long time in different iterations. But the company is just now adding some parental supervision tools joining us to talk about it is Amanda silver link from tech crunch. Thank you for being on the show, Amanda. Hi, thanks for having me. Yeah. So happy to have you here. And also that is an excellent sweater you have just as thank you. I kind of won it anyway, so let's, let's get

Amanda Silberling (00:17:52):
Into, we can talk about that later. Okay,

Mikah Sargent (00:17:53):
Cool. Cool. I can ask. Yeah, I gotta gotta figure out where you got it. So anyway let's start by talking about what was available to kind of give parents the ability to decide what kids could view or access on the platform. Before we talk about the new tools, I'm curious, what tools have been available up to this point to either keep kids from accessing certain things or just in general, some privacy and security tools on the platform.

Amanda Silberling (00:18:26):
Yeah. So I think something that's really shocking about this store is that before this week, the quest, he didn't really have parental controls. I actually came across a life AR a life hacker article that came out this week. That was like, how you can change your router settings to sort of like try to have some control over what apps your children are using. But like the average parent is not going to do that. But now now med is rolling out ways for parents to more easily monitor what their children are doing in their VR headsets. But before that, they had some general safety features that are not really child specific, but just things like there's boundaries. You set to make sure that while you're like in the heat of the moment, playing VR, ping the pong, you don't accidentally like hit your TV with your controller or something. And I think those are really helpful just for like physical safety. But I think that Meta has a lot of responsibility when it comes to online and safety and preventing harassment and giving users more security. And I think there is a lot of pressure on them to do a good job at that. And rolling out parental controls about two years, more than two years after initially launching their quest headsets is a little Hm. Concerning.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:52):
Yeah, absolutely. I think concerning for all of us now, I found it interesting in your piece, you kind of touch on the overall popularity of the medic quests in particular. But I think that for some, they still see VR as a, it's a future technology. It's not a technology that people care about right now. So maybe they're a little bit surprised to hear that us lawmakers and UK ruling groups are paying attention to this device at all are paying attention to the parental controls that are involved with this device and whether or not this the, the, the, a platform itself violates any of the rules and protections that are in place, especially for children. I am curious, you know, based on, on what you wrote about, is this a popular product at this point, can you sort of reassure the people out there who may be going, isn't this still kind of obscure that maybe that's not the case? What, what did you find in, in learning about the sales of the, the Oculus quest or excuse me, the MetWest

Amanda Silberling (00:20:59):
Yeah, it's hard to keep up with how they're rebranding literally everything, but yeah. Another reporter at tech crunch, Sarah per as found that based on data from mobile app researchers, it appeared that the Oculus, which is still called the Oculus app, the Oculus companion app to the quest was downloaded about 2 million times and the two weeks between Christmas and beginning of January. And in that two week period, 2 million downloads kind of equates to like, if you're downloading the Oculus quest app, like app downloads, aren't always the most useful metric, but I think that's a way of helping us kind of estimate the sales, because generally you're gonna wanna use the app if you, you have a quest, because it just makes it easier to like download apps without going into your headset. But so I think it is more popular than people might think. And I think it's only gonna continue growing in popularity, especially now that I think the price point on some of this hardware is becoming more accessible. Like the quest too is priced pretty similarly to something like an Nintendo switch. And I think people wanna see what all the fus is about is this technology really that good, that Facebook is going to change their name over it.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:24):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You, you gotta wonder what the fus is about if they go that far with it. So let's talk about one of the sort of systems that they've announced or features that they've announced called family center. What tools or resources does family center provide for parents or guardians?

Amanda Silberling (00:22:44):
So family center is still something that is rolling out across various Meta platforms, but right now it's gonna be available on Instagram. And if parents go on the Instagram app and go into their settings, there should be something called supervision, I believe. And that will help them stay aware of like how much time their child is on Instagram setting time limits for how long they can be on Instagram. If their teen has reported somebody who's following them, who are they following? And I think something that's also key is that these features are double opt in, like the teen has to invite the parent to have this access, which, I mean, mean, I think that is a conversation that teens and parents should be having together. But so I think that's interesting to me too, as part of it, but that family center hasn't rolled out across other apps that Meta owns. So like Facebook, the quest WhatsApp, but it should be rolling out to more Facebook prop Meta properties soon. But of course we don't really know what that means when they say soon it can mean a couple months. It can mean who knows.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:04):
Yeah, absolutely. Now, as you note in your piece and you mentioned it there briefly, it kind of was a good move by Meta to put these parental controls into the mobile app versus having these controls in the headset itself, because already asking someone to strap on a headset adds a level of, and that some people just aren't going to go through with, at that point to have to put it on, to figure out how do these controls work to sort of disorient themselves, take themselves out of their reality. And so there does seem to be some level of awareness on Meta part to say, if we want parents to have access to these tools or guardians to have access to these tools, and we want them to be able to use them, we should probably should make them available to them without having to use this newfangled technology that their, their child, or you know, the person they're watching over is using. So I'm curious do you think that Meta learning from its experiences with Instagram in particular about kind of how it has handled things so far with the with, with leg or with, yeah. Talking to legislators about how Instagram does or does not affect kids? I mean, does this look like a company that is now paying more attention to the way that it is making these tools available? Is this a response to some of the blowback it's received with Instagram in the past?

Amanda Silberling (00:25:37):
Yeah. I mean, I hope that they're learning and I am personally really interested in seeing how they manage content moderation on their apps, like horizon worlds and Hori and horizon venues as the quest becomes a more popular piece of hardware. And it's hard to say if they've learned from recent news and their recent constant stream of Senate hearings, but something that even sticks out to me from then is when the head of Instagram, Adam Mosai testified before the Senate and a safety feature that Instagram had added was something where like, when a teenager opens an account, then their account is by default set to private. And it was actually like a Senator whose office uncovered in research that if you set up a teenager's account on the web, then it doesn't default to private and things like that just feel like really glaring, oversights that accompany with so many resources can't really afford to be making. And I worry that like, are they investing in safety because they're trying to save face or because they're really thinking about the best ways to keep users safe. I don't think we can really know the answer to that question, but I just hope that as people interact in VR and explore new ways of experiencing the internet and connecting with each other, that they're genuinely thinking about safety while they're developing new products.

Mikah Sargent (00:27:19):
Yes. Speaking of new ways to connect with people and new products from Meta I was hoping you could tell our listeners a little bit about horizon worlds and horizon venues. Just what are these apps and are children able to use those two apps if they have a Meta quests?

Amanda Silberling (00:27:39):
Yeah. So horizon worlds is a social VR app. It's like you have your app avatar. They don't have legs. That's just, just happens. You just lose your legs. It's fine. And you go into user created worlds. Users can build, like, maybe you wanna build a bowling alley or like a cafe, and you can go into these different rooms and you're interacting with human beings who you see their avatar, but you can talk to them. Like it's a very immersive experience compared to something like playing club penguin, for example, that's a throwback. But I think like it does make a friends when you're experiencing this, like in an immersive like an immersive environment, but so horizon venues is similar, but it's more like time based events, but then they also have things like, you can go into horizon venues and you land in a thing that kind of looks like a movie theater and you can go into the different doors.

Amanda Silberling (00:28:47):
And so when I last used it, there was a Billy Eish concert going on. So went to the VR, Billy Eish concert, but found it to be kind of like a pixelated rendering of Billy Eish performing. And then you're kind of just walking around and there's people in the stands. And, and like, I think it's a really cool concept, but I just don't think it's really being used in a particularly interesting way yet. Yeah. Like there was a F fighter's concert and it apparently was really hard for people to actually like access the app because it was overloaded maybe. But children in theory, aren't supposed to be on these apps. These are 18 and over apps, but it's very easy. Like if a parent owns a headset and they have it connected to their Facebook account, which is somebody who's over the age of 18 and then a child goes on and they take the headset, like so many of the reviews of these apps in the app store are people being like, I'm getting chased around by screaming children.

Mikah Sargent (00:29:49):
I have to attest, I, I tried out horizon worlds while it was still in beta. Got beta access to it. And I went into the main area and I was walking around and I watched the, this individual who very much sounded and behaved like a small child, literally chasing people around going, hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Just over and over and over again. Yeah. And I had a laugh, I had a laugh cuz you know, it wasn't affecting me, but there were people in there kind of, I, I heard one person using all these buzzword well out startups and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, they're practically having a business interaction over here and this kid's just going, hi. Hi. Hi. So it's clear that yeah, people, kids are still able to access this, even if there's that 18 limit on that, are we are, is Facebook or is Meta addressing that in any way? Is there some way to fix that problem?

Amanda Silberling (00:30:44):
Yeah. So when they rolled out these announcements about changes that they're gonna make in the quest to make it safer for children, that's something I ask them about is you have this existing reported issue of children in horizon, worlds and horizon venues. Like what kinds of protections are there gonna be to make sure that kids aren't going into apps that they're not supposed to be in. And they responded like mentioning one of the upcoming features where parents can like lock certain apps on the quest. So you have to enter a passcode to get in through a gesture. And if the kid doesn't know that gesture, they can't get in, but then you're putting a lot of onus on the parent to be like, I know what horizon worlds is. I know why my child shouldn't be going on it. And like, I think it's just very easy you to get around things like that on the internet. Like it's kind of the same as like, just because of fan forum might be 13 and over that doesn't mean that an 11 year old can't do some workarounds to get on it. And I think it is hard to prevent these workarounds, but I don't know if these new features are really gonna prevent kids from getting on horizon world.

Mikah Sargent (00:32:11):
All right. One last one final question for you here. When should folks expect to see these parental controls rolling out and is the family center portion already available? For, for folks to use

Amanda Silberling (00:32:28):
The family center is gonna be available on Instagram currently, but it hasn't rolled out yet across other apps. And right now in the quest in particular Meta did say that in April is when they're going to roll out the feature where you can lock certain apps. And so like if you have a child using a headset that adults also use it's at the entire thing is like childproof. Like like you can still have like adults use horizon worlds if they want to, but then lock it that the kid can't get in. And there's some other features like the, the Oculus app based features for parental supervision Meta said will be rolling out more like over the summer or like in may. But these are all just estimates that they're giving. They're just kind of alerting us to what they're working on and what users can expect in the future. And yeah, I think the sooner, the better for these safety features

Mikah Sargent (00:33:35):
Absolutely. Amanda, I wanna thank you so much for taking some time outta your day to chat with us. Of course, folks can head to tech crunch.com to check out your work, but if they wanna follow you online, where should they go to do so?

Amanda Silberling (00:33:47):
Yeah, I'm onTWiTter at ail rights, like a, as in Amanda SIL ASIN, the first four letters of my last name and writes like writing is what I do.

Mikah Sargent (00:33:59):
Awesome. Thank you. You so much. We appreciate you.

Amanda Silberling (00:34:02):
Yeah. Thank you so much.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:04):
All right. Up next. Remember Clubhouse Russia does, we'll talk about that momentarily. But first this episode of Tech News Weekly is brought to you by collide. Collide is a new take on end point management that asks the question, how can we get to end users more involved? This is in contrast to old school device management tools like MDM, which locks down your employee's device without considering their needs, or even attempting to educate them about the security of their laptop, to not know what is actually happening to the computer that you're supposed to be using. Just doing all of these things and not blaming it to that end user. I can kind of result in a little bit of friction between the two where the, the, the person is trying to sort of circumvent those tools. Collide is built by like-minded security practitioners who saw just how much MDM was disrupting their end users.

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Jason Howell (00:38:08):
All right, let's do this stories of the week time. I thought this was a little interesting. You remember a Clubhouse, you sort of ever use it. I

Mikah Sargent (00:38:17):
Not actively pat some pat massively, you popped into it, heard people talking didn't care, left it. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:38:24):
Yeah, yeah. And then not any,

Mikah Sargent (00:38:27):
And then not any sense.

Jason Howell (00:38:28):
I've got it installed in my phone. It's in my little folder of like social media apps and

Mikah Sargent (00:38:33):
The apps are all about just FOMO sign

Jason Howell (00:38:34):
Up. Yeah. You just wanna make sure I've gotta have my user idea there too. That's the only thing. Yeah. Yeah. I've checked out, you know, a handful of times never really found anything that totally captivated me. So I haven't used it very much. Not only that a whole lot of other apps basically rolled out similar functionality. Right. So so you can get it in, in many different places. There are Clubhouse, clones galore Clubhouse kind of got lost in the shuffle when that started happening, especially, well, it turns out that isn't a total liability for Clubhouse and for Russians who are looking for a place to basically talk, you know, against their country's invasion of Ukraine in the past few weeks weeks, you know, we've talked a lot on this network on this show even but definitely on the TWiT network about the impacts of the war between Russia and Ukraine on, you know, all facets of technology, but especially on how it's impacting social media and the internet at large, while Russia has been scrambling to shut down access in a number of different ways, its country on all the major social media net, you know, players out there, they blocked Instagram and Facebook.

Jason Howell (00:39:42):
Calling MEA actually going as far as calling MEA an extremist organization, they've suspended TikTok, cuz apparently there was too much truth there. Ter was fully blocked in the country, even though Russian Phish have actually been using it to spread their own propaganda. But as we know, speech finds a way, right? It should come as no surprise then that the that Clubhouse is now suddenly relevant again because it turns out it's, it's obscure enough that Russia has isn't at least con yet hasn't actually directed its focus on it. And that obscurity, which you know, Clubhouse probably for, for a while anyways, has, has considered a liability, turns into an asset you know, on, on both sides of the equation. It turns out as many as 700,000 daily rooms are created on Clubhouse. Many of those actually have Russian citizens who are actually communicating openly about the conflict.

Jason Howell (00:40:45):
Well, as openly as they can, right? They have to kind of disguise themselves. They have to, there's certain words that they can't say or don't want to say because if they do, you know, there's the potential that they'll, they'll be caught you know, saying something against the government, which I'll talk about in a second it's this fake news law that Russian citizens are now under the guise of I think a couple of weeks ago, Russia kind of implemented this fake news law to basically say if, if you're caught discrediting the military or in any way that's considered news, you're punished with up to 15 years in prison. If that happens, God, which is insanity. So if a citizen doesn't actually agree with the war that their country is waging. And by the way, there are a lot of Russian citizens who feel that way.

Jason Howell (00:41:33):
They talk about that. They're deemed as spreading that fake news in the country, they can go to prison for 15 years. Pretty crazy. So Clubhouse, at least for the time being right now appears to be off that radar of Russia, thankfully. And you know, in a time where many happen to be, you know, we talked about it on know, we're, we're constantly talking about, oh, the, the dangers of social media, how is social media changing the fabric of society, blah, blah, blah. Here's at least a prime example of how it can be a huge benefit, right? It actually gives them agency. It gives them the ability to speak and to spread their message. The article that I, that I read to kind of figure, you know, a understand all of this as an input mag article. So I definitely encourage everyone to go read it, but the article itself used fake names.

Jason Howell (00:42:20):
You know, no one wanted to kind of go on record with their real names. Of course they didn't want things to be trackable back to them. They were very careful about any sort of personal potential identifiers for those obvious reasons. But at site it's a Russian citizen who is whose fake name is, is MAA, who says her purpose is to illustrate a nation shouldn't be discriminated against, right? Like this nation doesn't necessarily what the nation is doing. Doesn't represent what the citizens want, right. That can be easily forgotten. That citizens don't actually agree with. What's going on. MAA says, I consider myself a citizen of the world, not just Russian and you know, a part of that connection is made through social media. Right? That's kind of how that connection is made outside of where Maia is and out into the greater world.

Jason Howell (00:43:07):
It is social media. So Maia is not only speaking about the conflict from inside the country, but also collecting offers apparent in opportunities to one day, leave Russia, probably not alone there, because then in, you know, if you're communicating on platforms like this, you have a lot of people outside of the country who want to help cuz they're like, yeah. You know, like what can we do? Yeah. What can we do to, to reach across and and help you out? So I imagine MAA is not alone in that. She also mentioned mentions that it's possible interviews like hers that could possibly make Clubhouse the next target. Right. Which obviously any sort of attention could possibly make that happen. But she also just says, you know, I'll use a VPN, we will find a way we'll make, you'll figure out how to get this this word out there. But anyways, I, I read the article, I thought it was thought it was interesting that, you know, we're so used to to having an idea of, of what, what the end game is or what the, you know, it's like we had already, in my mind, I had already kind of signed Clubhouse off yeah. And stopped thinking about it. Right. And it turns out that was actually a benefit to people in Russia who, who want to communicate and be heard. And that's, that's awesome. Like what a great opportu,

Mikah Sargent (00:44:22):
How different people are, are using these tools where it may not be something that you found value, but the, the value was there,

Jason Howell (00:44:29):
But the value was found somewhere. Yeah. And

Mikah Sargent (00:44:31):
I think that that's part of any startups hope or any app maker's hope is that they will find a base. And if that base changes over time, then that's a good thing as long as there is a base there. And so yeah, in this case, I'm glad that that tool is available and has not been shut down like much other stuff has been shut down in the country. I mean, we heard about Russia working up a plan to basically cut itself off from the rest of the internet. Yeah. And to have that only be internet internally, which is terrifying. So giving anyone access in this case with the, a forgotten app for most of us in the us, that's, I'm glad that it's there. I'm glad that it's there to do that.

Jason Howell (00:45:17):
Yeah. And it's not only acting as a way for Russian citizens who don't agree with the war to get that message out. It's also an opportunity for Russian citizens who might be under, under the, not the spell, but under the, under the word of the propaganda that's being played inside of the country to get word from outside, you know, even from Ukrainian citizens who are on the other side of the conflict to kind of share, you know, their perspectives and hopefully think a little more critically about what's happening. Yeah. Cause I can only imagine what it's like to be in a controlled environment like that, where the only message you're getting through any sort of medium is, you know, is the state sponsored message and that's, that's,

Mikah Sargent (00:46:00):
That's tough. And so I'm glad that yeah, there is this opportunity to have exposure elsewhere. Yeah. you know, we hope that they take that opportunity to be exposed to these differing viewpoints. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:46:11):
Yeah. No question. So anyways, cool perspective on on Clubhouse, don't write it off quite yet. It's, it's getting used in some very important ways right now. Very cool. Yeah. All right. Coming up next. Your story of the week has to do with WordPress and none of the main, the, the impacts that WordPress has in so many different ways on the internet as well. It's an everywhere. We're gonna talk about that. But first this episode, Tech News Weekly is brought to you by podium. If you own a business, you already know there aren't enough hours in the day, right? To waste, you know, time playing phone tag, the list of customers that you actually need to reach, doesn't get any shorter. Of course, especially when business is going good. And that's what you want. That's why local businesses, everywhere turn to podium podium makes every interaction as easy as sending a text because let's face it sending a text.

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Mikah Sargent (00:48:49):
Yeah. So I often talk about how and, and explain to people they, they don't realize about how Amazon is with AWS is the backbone of a lot of the internet that AWS plays a role in a lot of the modern internet. A lot of the apps and services that we use rely on AWS, Amazon web services in some way, but people might not know is just how much of the web runs on WordPress WordPress's CMS system, because it's, it's important to kind of break it up between these different things has 43% of all websites on the internet, 43% of all websites. That's

Jason Howell (00:49:29):
Insane. That is that's crazy. Like

Mikah Sargent (00:49:32):
What it, it makes, I, I can't even fathom with, with as big as the web is that WordPress runs 43% of, of the web. And part of that is because it is an open source tool at its heart. But this story is actually it's a podcast. But what I love is that the verge will take some of its podcasts and we'll turn them into kind of long form articles that are transcripts. And so Kneely Patel sat down with WordPresses Matt Mullenweg. Who's actually the CEO of Automattic, which is the company that owns wordpress.com and Tumblr. And kind of as talking about in this piece, how they see the web and how they are striving to keep the web kind of weird. I had talked before about Tumblr and how it got a subscription model. It is through Automattic that it got this subscription model to take the ads away.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:31):
And I really do have faith in Matt mullenweg's vision and Automattic's vision for the future of Tumblr that will not be what it is right now when it comes to just kind of being a bit of a laughing stalk in terms of the tear, a horrible, no good ads that are on the platform. Close to my heart is an acquisition from Automattic for pocket casts good friends with the original co-founder of the company. Russell Ivanovich, who is the, was like the, the iOS developer four pocket casts and, you know, built the app in the first place for iOS. And then his co-founder built the Android version when it first came out. And it was at one point pocket cast was owned by kind of a group of public radio stations. And they ended up selling it to auto, who now owns pocket casts.

Mikah Sargent (00:51:30):
So Automattic is kind of a big company given that it owns WordPress. It owns Tumblr in the piece, they talk about some of the big companies wordpress.com, woo commerce. And then WordPress V I P so woo commerce is this open source platform. That's like Shopify. So Shopify people may be more familiar with cuz they may have seen it before. It's sort of a, a content management platform that lets people sell stuff on their sites. Woo commerce does that, but it does it from an open source perspective and help people to install tools, to help them sell and to track and to do all of that kind of stuff that's involved with online commerce with e-commerce wordpress.com is the place you go to be able to create a WordPress site and have it all kind of managed in one place because anyone can go the WordPress foundation is the one that makes WordPress available for free as an open source tool where someone can go to you, the WordPress foundation and download WordPress and then upload it on their own server and create their own WordPress site there.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:45):
A lot of servers also, you know, if I went to a Lineo for example, which is, is a, a SP or has been a sponsor of the, on the network, just as a note I could create a WordPress site using line node because that is an open source library that's available to me, but there's an easy way of doing all of that, which is by going to wordpress.com and paying a monthly fee, and then you can have a site. And what's good about that way is that you are getting a site that's updated is incredibly secure, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. What's interesting. And what I did not know is that WordPress V I P, which is its enterprise version of wordpress.com is actually the backbone for some pretty big sites. One of those is tech crunch. We just talked to a journalist from tech crunch tech Crunch's site actually runs on WordPress.

Mikah Sargent (00:53:36):
So that was something new to me, WordPress D I P yeah, I didn't realize that. And then another one you may have heard of which is white house.gov, huh? Yeah. The white house's own site is a WordPress V I P site that runs there. So they do have some huge clients and, you know, that's what Matt Mullen wig is saying is like, we can host any size of WordPress that you can imagine and make it super secure because in that a, you will always have the latest updates versus when when Steve Gibson on security now is talking about how there's a WordPress hack or whatever it tends to be for outdated versions of WordPress, for folks who are hosting their own version of WordPress, who haven't updated to the latest version, et cetera, et cetera. The, they have about, I think it was, was it 2000?

Mikah Sargent (00:54:29):
Yeah. They've got 2000 employees total, they hired about 700 people last year. And what's kind of cool is that Automattic has people all over the world which you can do whenever you're kind of a distributed company like this and something, that's kind of be unique about the company in being able to bring in these diverse viewpoints, these diverse folks is that they do something called global pay, which a lot of companies, what they will do is they will, there will be tasks or, or projects or things that the company wants to do. And they want to do it without having to pay the cost that it would take for hiring someone in the us. And so they will look elsewhere and pay that person quite a bit less money in order to save money. Automattic has a global fee structure where it is going to be more in line the, the pay so that the, the pay range is similar for salaries, et cetera, which I thought was a really cool thing.

Mikah Sargent (00:55:35):
That's going to recruit more people people wanting to join the company, but all of this the big kind of conversation here is just about how Automattic is kind of climbing forward and continuing to grow and what it's doing. But they also talk about, and I thought this was kind of interesting. They also have the conversation of of web three and that's this whole idea that the future of the web is is based on the crypto and the blockchain and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, decentralized. Yeah, decentralized. And I thought that this was I'm trying to find the response here. We're all in the midst of what some people call a shift to web three. I feel like you might have many thoughts about the idea that there's another version of the web coming along.

Mikah Sargent (00:56:28):
Are you in it? Do you own any blockchain securities? Do you have laser eyes? What's the situation. That's what Neil Patel asked. Neil said our excuse me, Matt responded to say, I'm always playing with new technology because that's just what I do for fun. Tried everything thing. It's fun to talk about and debate, oh, what is web three? This isn't web three. This is web two et cetera. And what, what he says is web two was actually totally open and it had all of these different tools. It was all interoperable and had tagging and open content. Then these other things replaced it. These closed so networks, but Matt Mullen lake says, what's cool to me is the thing we're calling web three is actually exactly what we call web two, but it's using similar technologies. Blockchain is not right for everything, but it is right in some cases.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:18):
And then he goes on to talk about the, the big thing, which is that all of these technologies are open source and that, that is kind of the big conversation there that it's that, that this idea that decentralized and, and all of these different ways of doing it, that that all is built on this open open source software idea that has existed for a lot longer than any of these new technologies. So this is an incredibly, incredibly long interview that is so well worth the read. Particularly if you're a fan of any of these apps or services, if you like Tumblr, if you like WordPress, if you want to hear about the future of that, if you love PocketCasts as I do all of those things are, are covered in this, this really interesting interview.

Mikah Sargent (00:58:10):
And it's interesting hearing Matt Mullenweg talk about his vision for the future of the web, but also kind of what what Automattic is doing in particular, when it comes to how it's gonna keep the internet kind of going on and still being this platform that anyone can create aside if they want to and put stuff out there and that it doesn't close things off to these kind of different groups as it does now with these closed services and sites. So, yeah. Check that out. It's on the verge what you, whether you wanna listen to it via the decoded podcast or through the transcript both ways are interesting.

Jason Howell (00:58:48):
Yeah. Talk about a somebody in, in Silicon valley at large, who is very influential that you don't hear about nearly as much as you hear about the Dorseys and the Zuckerbergs and everything. I mean, obviously why is that actually, now that I think about it, because if, if we're press is so dominant in that way. Yeah. It, and, and, you know, literally the backbone of the web in many cases, why is the Mullen wa not, not as not as known, not as

Mikah Sargent (00:59:18):
You don't no, that's a really good question. I, I would argue that part of it is because there's a difference between wordpress.com, which he founded versus WordPress, the open source tool that is run by the open source.

Jason Howell (00:59:32):
Right,

Mikah Sargent (00:59:32):
Right, right. The WordPress foundation. So the, in that way, it's like, if you're gonna talk about what WordPress is, you'd have to talk about everybody. That's part of the WordPress foundation. And then it starts being kind of a single person, but yeah. Arguably with the head of Automattic and wordpress.com, like that's a big guy. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:59:51):
He's a big player. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:59:52):
Big guy, big player

Jason Howell (00:59:53):
Should all, should also mention that. The folks that Flos did an interview with that, like just on March 9th, actually. So like a week and a half ago. So if you go toTWiT TV slash Flo, you can find our interview with Matt as well. So this is like a Matt Mullenweg, double dose. There you go. Interview you, you get the comprehensive, maybe

Mikah Sargent (01:00:15):
We'll have Matt on Tech News Weekly sometime.

Jason Howell (01:00:18):
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Icebreaker IO is my, this is the one I use icebreaker.io. There's a pro tip for everybody. Cause there we go. I have to, every other week for the clockwise podcast, I have to do a non-tech question. And so I use that site for inspiration. Sometimes there'll be one that I'm like, oh, but I just change it a little bit or that's good Straight from there. Yeah.

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That's Awesomes. That's a hack right there. So I think on my, my upcoming interviews for this show, instead of asking them about their article, I'm gonna say, are there any interesting things, your name spells with the letters rearranged. We'll just see what they say. If you were a potato, what way would you like to be cooked?

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The one I asked Patrick this morning, choose two coworkers. You'd want on your team during a zombie apocalypse.

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Ah, nice.

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He chose aunt Pruitt because you'd have that muscle. Yeah. And he chose Burke because Burke could MacGyver some stuff in. Yes.

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