The Tech Guy Episode 1895 Transcript
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Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on Saturday, May 21st, 2022. This is episode 1,895. Enjoy. The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by UserWay. Dot org UserWay is the world's number one accessibility solution, and it's committed to enabling the fundamental human right of digital accessibility for everyone. When you're ready to make your site compliant, deciding which solution to use, it's an easy choice to make. Do what we did go to userway.org/twit and get 30% off UserWays. AI powered accessibility solution. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo? LePort here The Tech Guy along with Mikah Sargent Tech Guy too. It is it is Tech Guy day in the studio. It's a beautiful day in the tech guy studio. I've
Mikah Sargent (00:01:10):
Put on, I've taken off my shoes, switched them in for my house
Leo Laporte (00:01:12):
Slippers. I like the cardigan. It's very good. Yeah, we're cozy. We're comfy. And we're ready to answer your tech questions at 88 88, ask Leo 8 8 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. It's still tollfree but you have to use Skype out something like that. Website tech I labs.com. So apple I think was kind of pressured into self-repair, you know, there's this whole right to repair movement going on all over the country. And I, I think more than the two dozen state legislatures of bills requiring that you should be able to repair your stuff, your iPhone your AirPods, whatever it is that's broken. I think a lot of this actually comes from farm country where they're all peeved and miffed about John Deere. You buy yourself a $400,000 combine harvester, and you have to bring it to the John Deere guy to fix it.
Leo Laporte (00:02:17):
No matter what, only John Deere can fix it. And if he do, if you do have the tamity to fix it yourself, you still have to bring it to the John Deere guy. So he can run a little computer program that blesses it and says, okay, it's all right. And so people are annoyed about that. Although <laugh> it bit the Russians in the butt a couple of weeks ago, did you see that stole a bunch of John Deere tractors from Ukraine and started to drive them back to Russia? And John Deere pulled, pulled the plug turns out they have the capability from the factory wow. Of disabling that that combine, that tractor, that device. And so they did, which is, you know, good, good on them for messing with the Russians, but it does raise this specter. Increasingly the stuff we buy and think we own is not our own.
Leo Laporte (00:03:07):
If at any time a company can disable your device remotely, do you own it? So Apple's been under a lot of pressure, not just from the us, but from the EU saying, you know, you gotta, you gotta let people fix their own phones. Apple's always said, well, we would, your honor, your honor, we would. But if they did it, it would be a security problem. Apple loves this one. It would be a security problem. You couldn't, you could no longer trust the fingerprint reader or the face recognition. Which means what, I don't know, a bad guy could, I don't know, something, something
Mikah Sargent (00:03:45):
Exactly. I don't know. Something exactly. Fill in the blank, something,
Leo Laporte (00:03:47):
Something bad mm-hmm <affirmative> and you know, so they say, well, okay, we're gonna let, first of all, they weren't even selling parts. Finally, they kind of, well, okay. You know, we can buy a part, but but if you, if you most famous case was, if you've repaired the screen, if you replace the screen, cuz that's the first thing people break, right? That, that glass screen, if you break the screen and it says somebody not us repairs, it, well, the fingerprint IDs not gonna work anymore. And people said, well, what do you mean? They said, well, you can't because who knows something, something <laugh>, you wouldn't want that, would you? Eventually they kind of caved on that. And now you know, a couple, a couple months ago, there's a, there's a good term for this. It's it's called malicious compliance. There's a fun red Reddit subreddit called malicious compliance where, you know, kids do teenagers do this. Okay. If you insist, right.
Mikah Sargent (00:04:45):
I'm gonna do exactly that.
Leo Laporte (00:04:46):
If you insist Uhhuh <affirmative> so apples said, well, if you insist, we'll make a self-repair possible, but it ain't gonna be easy. <Laugh> no. So Micah has agreed to be the Guinea pig for this. What did you do?
Mikah Sargent (00:05:02):
So I've got an iPhone 12 and I'm gonna replace the battery on it. Right.
Leo Laporte (00:05:06):
So as one does,
Mikah Sargent (00:05:07):
As one does, as the battery gets old I'm using it as a, as a camera. And so it's regularly turned on. It's regularly being
Leo Laporte (00:05:13):
Used, although Apple's, you know, charge for replacing is what about 80 bucks? It's not hugely expensive.
Mikah Sargent (00:05:18):
Yeah. That part is not expensive. Yeah. But what is expensive is, and of course this goes away, but there's a temporary charge, but
Leo Laporte (00:05:25):
I'm just saying if you brought it to the apples.
Mikah Sargent (00:05:26):
Oh, I see what you mean. Yes. They'd
Leo Laporte (00:05:28):
Replace it.
Mikah Sargent (00:05:28):
Yes. They would replace it 80, 80, $90. Right.
Leo Laporte (00:05:31):
So
Mikah Sargent (00:05:31):
If you're close to one and
Leo Laporte (00:05:32):
Yeah, and then that, I mean, so partly it's, it's just like this moral thing. Well, I oughta be able to replace it, even if it's, if it's cheap and easy to bring it to apple, but there aren't a lot of things you can break mm-hmm <affirmative> that is, you know, apple doesn't fix it. They just replace it. Unfortunately none of those things can be fixed by this wreck, this repair program.
Mikah Sargent (00:05:52):
You've got the
Leo Laporte (00:05:53):
It's very limited.
Mikah Sargent (00:05:54):
The, the device inside that does the haptic vibrations that can be replaced the SIM card, which is where you just order part for it. The SIM card tray rather. Yeah. the display, the battery. And I think that's a do
Leo Laporte (00:06:07):
The back replace the back, the back glass. Is it it's glass. Yeah. Yeah. So, but those are the most common things for the phone, but you know, you're not gonna be able to fix your MacBook.
Mikah Sargent (00:06:16):
Right. That's not on there yet. I don't know if it ever will be. And
Leo Laporte (00:06:19):
Then the other thing apple says is, well, you can't do this with normal tools. <Laugh> they have built special machinery for the apple stores to fix this stuff.
Mikah Sargent (00:06:29):
Huge hulking machinery.
Leo Laporte (00:06:30):
So how do they solve this? They
Mikah Sargent (00:06:32):
Solve it by getting Pelican cases, which for folks who don't know are these very industrial sort of cases that are used for bands and, and groups that you, I have a lot of them, you've got some small,
Leo Laporte (00:06:43):
Hard shell cases for photographic equipment, things like that.
Mikah Sargent (00:06:46):
And they put in these gigantic tools and they just slap a shipping label on the side, the machine
Leo Laporte (00:06:51):
Machinery, the it's like a, a, like a drill press. There's all sorts of weird machinery. And it's seven. How much? 79 pounds?
Mikah Sargent (00:06:58):
Yeah. 79 pounds. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:07:00):
There's two Pelican that your poor ups guy has to lug to the porch. Two Pelican cases, swaying a total of 79 pounds. Huge,
Mikah Sargent (00:07:09):
Huge
Leo Laporte (00:07:09):
Cases. Now the good news is you could buy these for thousands of dollars, but you don't have to,
Mikah Sargent (00:07:13):
Right. You can rent them. And the, the rental price is $49 for seven days. But this is something that folks have to be aware of. They will put, which makes sense. But at the same time, it's very expensive. A temporary hold on your card for the cost of those devices.
Leo Laporte (00:07:29):
Oh wow.
Mikah Sargent (00:07:30):
So $1,200 is gonna sit on your card until the whole process is complete versus taking in an apple store and just paying $80 and being
Leo Laporte (00:07:38):
Done. And you only have what, how many
Mikah Sargent (00:07:41):
Days? Seven days, seven days a week from arrival.
Leo Laporte (00:07:44):
And if you don't return it,
Mikah Sargent (00:07:45):
If you don't return it within, I think there's a grace period. Yeah. Then they're gonna charge you for those devices.
Leo Laporte (00:07:50):
Okay. You bought it. We keep it, you bought it all right. Well, at least they let you, I mean that you you've got access to these devices and then the part you have to buy the part.
Mikah Sargent (00:07:59):
Yeah. You buy the part, but you can send back the broken part to them and they will give you a credit. So there's about a $46 credit. Max, if I send back, which I will, the battery later on. So they do include some credits for folks who are sending
Leo Laporte (00:08:14):
Their, so what's the total cost you're at the
Mikah Sargent (00:08:16):
Total cost is going to be about $90.
Leo Laporte (00:08:19):
So in other words,
Mikah Sargent (00:08:20):
The same price is going to
Leo Laporte (00:08:22):
The store. You could go to the store and let them do all the work. But you, but we thought it'd be fun for you to do it. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (00:08:28):
I, I am actually looking forward to going to process.
Leo Laporte (00:08:31):
So we're gonna make a video of this. It'll be available by next week and the next week, next week that will be Micah with all this gear,
Mikah Sargent (00:08:40):
Gigantic Pelican, have you opened the case over? I did this morning. What
Leo Laporte (00:08:44):
Do they, what is it like?
Mikah Sargent (00:08:45):
I mean, inside it smells industrial, which was kind of wild. Yeah. they, they have these little red tags that are zip tied to the outside that you have to actually clip and they include new ones in there that you put on after when you send it back. Wow. So they, that way they know that people haven't opened them and inside, I mean, there's this huge metal encased device that you have to pull out of the specially shaped foam. And there's a little guide that shows you what all the pieces are. They have these tiny little boxes that you C open up. You take the clasps off the side that have the little tools inside. It's pretty wild. Wow. And yeah, we'll have I'll to show
Leo Laporte (00:09:18):
You. You're brave. I'm glad you're gonna do this. This is, this was your idea. I want to point out. Yeah,
Mikah Sargent (00:09:22):
This was my idea. So if it goes horribly wrong. Yeah. I'm to blame. <Laugh> good.
Leo Laporte (00:09:26):
Well, we'll get the firsthand experience of, of, of, and this is again, malicious compliance. It's like, okay.
Mikah Sargent (00:09:32):
Yeah, you want these? You wanna do it. All right,
Leo Laporte (00:09:34):
Here you go. Here you go. Good luck.
Mikah Sargent (00:09:37):
<Laugh> the repair manual itself is so many pages and yeah, it's, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a ride. We'll say
Leo Laporte (00:09:45):
So there's like a screen press.
Mikah Sargent (00:09:47):
There's a screen. There's a heated display press.
Leo Laporte (00:09:50):
You have to GL
Mikah Sargent (00:09:51):
It helps you GL display.
Leo Laporte (00:09:52):
So there's like a little oven. Yeah,
Mikah Sargent (00:09:54):
Exactly. It's a little, it
Leo Laporte (00:09:55):
Warms it
Mikah Sargent (00:09:55):
Up. Easy bake oven. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:09:57):
It's not too hot.
Mikah Sargent (00:09:58):
Not too cold. You suction cup it off the top. You have to slip it into a special pocket. But then the other device is a roller that rolls the screen back on afterward. <Laugh> oh
Leo Laporte (00:10:09):
Boy, they invented all this stuff for the apple store. So they, I guess they, I guess, you know, from their point of view, you, we had to do this I
Mikah Sargent (00:10:17):
Don't know, militia. I can't wait to read that Reddit now.
Leo Laporte (00:10:19):
Malicious compliance. Oh, it's great. It's all the things teenagers do. What are some examples when you were a teenager? Rebellious teenager. And and mom said, okay, you gotta get a haircut Uhhuh and you'd shave your head.
Mikah Sargent (00:10:34):
Yeah. I, I think of actually Michael Scott, who
Leo Laporte (00:10:37):
On the
Mikah Sargent (00:10:37):
Office. Yeah. On the office. Sorry. They call him and the corporate calls him and says, you have to hand out these these leads to your employees, he's meant to hand them out to his sales team. Yeah. But he feels like the sales team is being a little bit too high and mighty. Yeah. So they say hand out, he goes, I'm gonna do exactly that. <Laugh> and he, and then the guy asks like, why are you saying that? Anyway, it ends up that he hands them out, not to the sales team, but to everyone else in the office who the sales team then has to go to and bow down to, to get the leads,
Leo Laporte (00:11:06):
Malicious compliance, compliance. I love it. Eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. We're gonna take your calls in just a bit big show coming up. We've got Scott Wilkinson talk at home theater. We'll talk travel with Johnny jet, Dick de Bartolo. Our GIW isiz all ahead.
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I love that subway. It's hilarious.
Leo Laporte (00:11:29):
Isn't it? Malicious compliance. I wish I could have thought of some better examples of malicious compliance Should <affirmative> should I should have prepared. Should have prepared better as usual. I prepare after the show. <Laugh> that's what I prepare. Let's see. Yeah. It's reddit.com/r/malicious Compliance. Oh, I misspelled it. It's alright. I found it anyway. Is malicious compliance about Reddit itself? No,
Leo Laporte (00:12:14):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:12:16):
Okay. Malicious compliance Way back when I lived in a student dormitory in the Netherlands.
Mikah Sargent (00:12:29):
Yeah. Might wanna,
Leo Laporte (00:12:31):
Yeah. Skip that one. <Laugh> it's funny.
Leo Laporte (00:12:37):
Croatia. I was born in Croatia, moved to the us 35 years ago. I needed my birth certificate for some real estate transactions. Since I'm in the us, my sister went to the regional office to get the birth certificate. She knows that the bureaucracy and Croatia is horrible, but a trick to come in about five to 10 minutes before closing, cuz they want to go home. So they don't complicate things. So here's their conversation, sister. Good afternoon, lady behind counter. Good afternoon. I'm here to get the birth certificate for my brother. Sure. We can do that. Was he ever married? Yes. He's married. Oh, sorry. We need the marriage certificate to verify that he did not change his last name. You have to go to this address to get the marriage certificate. Silence. Would you mind if we start again? No problem. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I'm here to get the birth certificate for my brother. Sure. We can do that. Was he ever married? No. Never. Here you go. Have a nice evening. You too. I don't know if that qual qualifies.
Mikah Sargent (00:13:28):
Yeah, not quite
Leo Laporte (00:13:28):
Maliciously. No, but it's but it's good. It's a good bureaucracy story.
Mikah Sargent (00:13:35):
Do you need me to file safety reports? You got it. That's something like that I could say is an example where you lawyers file every single possible thing into the system.
Leo Laporte (00:13:43):
Lawyers do that when there's a, you know request for documents, they provide you.
Mikah Sargent (00:13:49):
Oh yeah, exactly. They'll ship
Leo Laporte (00:13:51):
The whole thing boxes. Yeah. For the last three years I've worked as a muralist for a mural company.
Leo Laporte (00:14:07):
I had a good boss, skilled partner worked alongside us, unfortunately retired last year and gave full control of the company to this business partner. It me immediately became a mess business partner, blah, blah, blah, blah. Final straw came three months later, our company won a huge bid to pay the side of a five story tall building using my design. I told the boss, it would take us five weeks to complete. However, a week before the project was due to start, he told us we had three weeks. What we can't, he of course told us the contract had been signed, brushed off concerns. He did offer us financial incentives for overtime work, knowing there was nothing we could do. We accepted, I simplified the design. We planned to stay late. The weather got bad. Few days of rain. On the third week we were working on light drizzle started.
Leo Laporte (00:14:46):
We were waiting in our cars, hoping it would pass. When the boss showed up, when he saw us, he started accuse us being lazy. This is why we are falling behind. One of my coworkers said through gritted teeth, can't you see it's raining before we could explain why you can't paint in the rain. The boss yelled. If you are scared of a little drizzle, you shouldn't be a muralist to get back to work. My coworker shot me a look and I knew immediately the malicious compliance was on the three of us, got back on the scaffolding and began working. The boss smugly said, see that wasn't so hard and drove off. We kept our smiles to ourself. When the boss returned that afternoon, he was horrified. The rain had washed the wet paint down the building, leaving paint, streaks, dripping into the rest of the mural. Basically the whole mural three weeks of work was ruined. What the hell were you guys thinking? My coworker replied. Well, you were the one who told us to do it. <Laugh> how are we going to fix this? You mean, how are you gonna fix it? We've decided to all quit. <Laugh> Hey LA it's time. It's a miracle. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Children of all ages I give to you. The unbreakable Kimmy. Sheer our phone angel Kimmy. Don't take no Shafer. Hello? Kimmy. Sheaffer.
Kim Schaffer (00:16:01):
Hello? How you
Leo Laporte (00:16:03):
Doing? That's the whole shtick right there. I don't have anything left.
Kim Schaffer (00:16:06):
You don't have anything? <Laugh> you got nothing.
Leo Laporte (00:16:08):
I've got nothing.
Kim Schaffer (00:16:10):
You've been talking about carry. Yeah, you've been doing a lot of talking during the break, so I don't know how you're gonna make that
Leo Laporte (00:16:16):
Iphone. Do you have an iPhone or an Android phone?
Kim Schaffer (00:16:18):
I have an iPhone. Can we fix it? Yes you can. It's a X S max or 10 S
Mikah Sargent (00:16:24):
Max. Can't fix it. Can't fix it. Oh, you can't not with apple. At least too old.
Kim Schaffer (00:16:28):
<Laugh>
Mikah Sargent (00:16:28):
Apple
Leo Laporte (00:16:28):
Will only let you
Mikah Sargent (00:16:29):
Fix 12, 13 and the latest iPhone se, which
Leo Laporte (00:16:32):
Just came out. So I don't know why you'd need it. Fix it.
Mikah Sargent (00:16:36):
Well, you got it. And you said Woohoo. And then it shatters. That's
Leo Laporte (00:16:39):
Kind of malicious compliance where they go. Okay. Yeah, you can fix it. But only if it's a brand new one, I'm
Mikah Sargent (00:16:42):
Hoping they add more as the supply chain
Leo Laporte (00:16:47):
Fixes itself. That's such a good excuse.
Kim Schaffer (00:16:49):
The only problem I'm having with this is I take too many pictures. That's my own fault.
Mikah Sargent (00:16:53):
Oh, storage. Yeah. We can't really help you with
Kim Schaffer (00:16:55):
That. And I'm at 2 56. I got the big model back then. So you
Mikah Sargent (00:16:58):
Need two phones
Kim Schaffer (00:17:00):
<Laugh> yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:17:01):
I have literally heard, had people call this show saying I need a new iPhone. Why? Because
Kim Schaffer (00:17:05):
Mine it's full. It's full. Well that's me. I need a new car. I have a hole in my tire. Like I've got, I've got a crack in my window right now. And I'm like, damnit, this car's only a couple years old, but I want a new car. It's broken. I need it pristine. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:17:18):
I need a new one. It's broken a new one. Take it to the dealer. I'm sure. They'll give you a new one. Oh
Kim Schaffer (00:17:23):
Yeah. <Laugh> well, they're trying to buy it back, but that's, that's a supply chain issue right
Leo Laporte (00:17:28):
There. I know right now anybody's got a car. Probably could sell it for a lot of money. Yeah. Who should I talk to?
Kim Schaffer (00:17:33):
Let's go to Sandra in Norwalk. How are your feelings on those cash between people apps, but specifically she's asking about Zelle.
Leo Laporte (00:17:42):
Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Thank you, Kim. Hello? Sandra Leo LaporteaPorte. Mikah Sargent your two tech guys. Hello?
Caller 1 (00:17:51):
Hi, my son's name is Micah too. I love that name. Oh,
Mikah Sargent (00:17:55):
That's fantastic. Hello, Micah. But yeah, how's it spelled?
Caller 1 (00:17:59):
M I C a a
Mikah Sargent (00:18:01):
Yes. The classic way. The right way. C for classic
Leo Laporte (00:18:05):
Micah spells his
Mikah Sargent (00:18:06):
K yeah, mine. The K because the nurse misspelled it
Leo Laporte (00:18:10):
At the factory
Mikah Sargent (00:18:11):
And my mom said, I like that. It's unique. So she kept it
Caller 1 (00:18:14):
Uhhuh. Well, good for her.
Leo Laporte (00:18:16):
And it's, you know what we're used to it. We like it. <Laugh> what can we, what can we do for you today? So, oh,
Caller 1 (00:18:21):
Okay. I decided to go ahead and put the app Z, Z E L L E on my phone because my circle of friends have it. And when we right, go out and either do this or that. Okay. What I'm concerned about since it's connected to my bank account. Yeah. And I just wonder how safe it really is or what I need to do to make it more safer. It's I just would hate somebody to have him. Of
Leo Laporte (00:18:55):
Course. It's perfectly safe. Mm-Hmm
Mikah Sargent (00:18:57):
<Affirmative> the safest.
Leo Laporte (00:18:59):
It comes, it comes from the banks themselves. Yeah. So what happened was PayPal, you probably heard of them created a service called Venmo that all the kids fell in love with. And then square created one called cash.me that all the kids fell in love with and then apple created apple pay and all the kids fell in love with it. And the banks are starting to freak out saying, what are we gonna do? Nobody needs us anymore. When's the last time you wrote a check? So they created Zelle as competition. In fact, Zelle is offered through my bank as opposed to a standalone app. You might look and see if your bank offers Zelle direct. Then you could log in with your banking app. And that would be of course more secure because obviously if people had your banking app, it doesn't matter whether you're using Zelle or not. You know, you wanna, you wanna make sure your bank account is very secure. If you're gonna wa if you're gonna use Z, just make sure you have a good, strong password. I don't know. Do they allow two factor authentication?
Caller 1 (00:19:59):
I dunno.
Leo Laporte (00:20:00):
Yeah. Find, see if they do what you want.
Caller 1 (00:20:03):
Okay. Wait, wait, what is that called again? True.
Leo Laporte (00:20:06):
Two, two factor number two factor. Instead of one factor, which is just a password, they have a second way of identifying yourself. That's required from time to time. Usually it's using a, either a text message to your phone or an application called an authenticator, which generates a six digit code. And it just means that the bad guy would not only have to guess your login and password, but would also have to have access to your phone, which usually means it's very secure. I'm sure they'll offer offer. That
Caller 1 (00:20:34):
Would be the bank.
Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
Oh, well, the first thing I would check is who I, is it okay to tell me your bank?
Caller 1 (00:20:40):
Yeah. Yeah. Long beach financial credit union.
Leo Laporte (00:20:44):
Okay. So sometimes credit unions are too small to offer Zelle, but that's the first thing I do is call the bank and say, do you do Zelle, like directly through your app? Do you have an app for the long beach? Credit union?
Caller 1 (00:20:55):
Yes.
Leo Laporte (00:20:56):
Uhhuh <affirmative> okay. Well look in the app and see if they offer Zelle. That's how I do it. I have a, a for my banking bank of America uses it. A lot of banks, you know have a Zelle button in the app. And that's because it came from the banks. The banks wanted you to,
Caller 1 (00:21:11):
Do you, do you think I should? If they don't for more peace of mind, would it be best if I open a bank account for
Leo Laporte (00:21:20):
L no, no, no, no, no, no. It's completely safe. It's completely safe. The main thing is as with anything, including your bank account to be as secure as possible with a log into that app. Right? So you, you want, you don't use a password. That's your birthday and your mother's maiden name. Don't use, you know, make it a really good password. That's impossible to memorize <laugh>
Caller 1 (00:21:44):
Right,
Leo Laporte (00:21:45):
Right. You understand all those a,
Caller 1 (00:21:47):
A long time. I mean, I've listened to you and I am not tech savvy, even though I use an iPad iPhone and I have a laptop, but still, and yet I'm very limited, but I do remember a long time ago, you said to like maybe if there's a rhyme or something. Yeah. Some favorite say saying, and take the first
Leo Laporte (00:22:13):
But letter, or that's a good way to make a password, but because you've made that now, I bet you use it over and over again.
Caller 1 (00:22:20):
<Laugh> that's
Leo Laporte (00:22:21):
Yes. That's, that's the other bad thing.
Caller 1 (00:22:23):
Bonnie could figure it out
Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
Well, but if they, okay, so here's, here's the the it's
Caller 1 (00:22:29):
Really
Leo Laporte (00:22:29):
Hard. I understand, but here's the doomsday scenario. Okay. You hear, you hear this happening all the time. Target gets hacked and all the passwords that target has get leaked with your email address and your password. Now that's not a problem if you don't use that password everywhere else. But if you do, then the bad guys do something called credential stuffing. They try that login and password everywhere else until see if it works. So reusing passwords is a recipe for disaster. So two of the big things you should do with Zelle have a unique password and turn on multifactor or two factor authentication. Then it's completely safe. Leo Laporteaport, the tech guy. So let me just see, cuz Zel has a, just, I'll just check for you right now. Sandra Zelle has a list
Mikah Sargent (00:23:23):
While you're looking. There's one other bit of advice I would offer. And that is when you are adding new people to the app, the people that you're wanting to exchange money with it is best to do that either in person or in the moment, because sometimes you can get, I, this happens to me on the cash app sometimes where some random person will request money from me or try to send money to me. And then later on, they remove it from the account. And so you wanna make sure that the person that you're talking to
Leo Laporte (00:23:51):
Is your friend yeah.
Mikah Sargent (00:23:52):
That you've connected with is your friend. So it's best if, you know, when you go out to the lunch to do that, and you're exchanging money over zeal that you're right there, kind of seeing each other, do that process. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:24:02):
And yeah, that's a very good point. Only do it with people, you know family members. Yeah. And you know, it's not fake cuz that is a very big scam where you know, I got an email from my quote, my gardener who said, oh, I, you know, I went to Poland for a week and I lost my passport and all my money. Can you just send me some money and I'll be back in a week and I'll pay you back. Otherwise I can't get home and your garden's gonna go to hell. And, and of course it wasn't really my gardener. So you know, if they be very careful, send it only when you really know it's a legit request. That's all good advice. Long beach L B S F C does not in fact support Zelle. I mean, they'll support it. In other words, you could set up your account with Zelle.
Mikah Sargent (00:24:54):
Yeah. As you've done, but just not directly,
Leo Laporte (00:24:56):
They don't have Zelle in there. They don't me. They just talk about sending bill payment, wire transfers, you know, online transfers. This is not unusual.
Mikah Sargent (00:25:05):
I find yeah. Credit unions are often behind in the tech. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:25:07):
Yeah. All right. Let me see if this will charge my lunch.
Mikah Sargent (00:25:13):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:25:14):
No, no, no, no,
Mikah Sargent (00:25:22):
No. Watch charger.
Leo Laporte (00:25:24):
No watch charger. No watch charging.
Mikah Sargent (00:25:27):
I wonder if it'll charge AirPods pro
Leo Laporte (00:25:30):
Pro. Those are cheap. I think the watch is not cheap. Like that's the big, yeah.
Mikah Sargent (00:25:33):
That's, it's a
Leo Laporte (00:25:34):
Little special. It would make it cheap,
Mikah Sargent (00:25:35):
Special wifi, special wireless.
Leo Laporte (00:25:38):
It's a special puck thing. But, and the other thing I have is I have this big, old, thick, old case. Let's see if it'll go through the case. You know, it may not have enough juice. I just plugged into a computer and that's probably not enough. That's plugging into this PD, baby PD kind. Is that heavy? That's good. Cause you could put that on your nightstand. It ain't, it ain't going anywhere. It
Mikah Sargent (00:26:07):
Ain't moving when you it's like a
Leo Laporte (00:26:08):
Coaster. Hm.
Mikah Sargent (00:26:13):
Not through the case.
Leo Laporte (00:26:14):
Mm. Well we haven't. Oh,
Mikah Sargent (00:26:15):
Oh, there it goes.
Leo Laporte (00:26:17):
Bing
Mikah Sargent (00:26:17):
Nice.
Leo Laporte (00:26:18):
No,
Leo Laporte (00:26:19):
Nope,
Leo Laporte (00:26:20):
No.
Leo Laporte (00:26:21):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:26:24):
No,
Mikah Sargent (00:26:32):
Just to make
Leo Laporte (00:26:33):
Sure. Yeah. I think that's exactly what they have. All right. Let's just see you have a mag safe case.
Mikah Sargent (00:26:38):
Yeah, it should swap.
Leo Laporte (00:26:40):
Oh yeah. It's like sucking it in. It's like, yeah. See that's the problem is that this case is not plus a lot of lightning things. Don't did you see that new HP laptop? Linux? Yeah. Linux, baby pop O S pop O S baby pop O S yeah. See that works and look at that's that's magnetism. Magnetism at work. That's actually good. Cuz it means it won't come off once it's on. I'll give that to Lisa. Maybe I'll keep it here for that's what I did when I had a gig text adverts, see he's charging on this thing though says it might be positioning. The Tech Guy podcast brought to you today by userway.org. We have UserWay, our website now, and I am loving it. Every website. These are the, this is the law of the land. Every website without exception has to be accessible.
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Scott Wilkinson (00:33:15):
Hey Leo, how you doing?
Leo Laporte (00:33:16):
Well, it's Mike and I are doing really well. I can't fit you and Micah into the TV shot. So those of you watch in the video. There
Scott Wilkinson (00:33:25):
He is. There he is. He's still here. Hey, it
Leo Laporte (00:33:28):
Just doesn't. It just doesn't fit
Scott Wilkinson (00:33:30):
In.
Leo Laporte (00:33:31):
I need a super wide. I need one of those iPhone wide angle cameras super wide. So Scott joins us every week to talk about home theater. Of course he has his own show every week@youtube.com slash I'd say every other week, every other week, AVS forum. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> what's up in your world, Mr. Scotty.
Scott Wilkinson (00:33:48):
Well I wanna let you know that my interviews from display week are now up on youtube.com/avs forum. And next week I am going to have the privilege of talking with none other than video guru, Joe Kane, who is among the video people in my industry. He is at the top. He's been there very long time. Really knows this stuff. And we're gonna have a fun time talking about the video world, according to Joe Kane. Nice. So that's, that'll be
Leo Laporte (00:34:19):
Fun.
Scott Wilkinson (00:34:20):
Fun. Cool. That'll be a lot of fun. Yeah. Cool.
Scott Wilkinson (00:34:22):
He's a really good interview. So be sure to tune in for that Tuesday at 1:00 PM, Pacific 4:00 PM, Eastern for the live, and then it'll of course get, get posted later. But in, in the live show, you can post questions on YouTube comments and questions and I'll be monitoring them and pass along those that I can. So, and I thought I'd turn a bit to the more real world today. Last week we were talking about the future technologies and there are even more futuristic technologies that we saw or almost saw a display week. Oh, I'll talk about those another time. But today I wanted to kind of return to earth and I got a, I got a email from a listener Thomas who who said, who, who wanted to know sort of the difference between first tier and second tier TV brands.
Scott Wilkinson (00:35:17):
And I said, well, okay, the first tier I call Samsung LG and Sony. And you know, you're, you're gonna get the best of the best from them. The second tier I, I would put into the second tier TCL high sense and vio, although Visio kind of straddles the line but those are more value oriented. They're they're still excellent performers, really excellent performers. But you know, they cost less. So those of you who are looking to save a buck you know, will wanna look at TCL high sense and Visio. In fact another listener by the name of Anthony said, I have a thousand dollars for a TV, only a thousand dollars. <Laugh> so many time people say, what TV should I get? And my first question is, well, how much do you have to spend? So this guy, Anthony was very good and started out by saying exactly what his budget is.
Scott Wilkinson (00:36:17):
That's all I got. I don't got no more, that's it. And he said, he's thinking of getting a 65 inch TCL, R 6 35, which is their Roku TV. He's got the Roku smart interface and it's the, in the sixth series, which I do recommend. And he said, what's your recommendation? And I would say, that's an excellent, excellent choice. However, when I went to the website, RTS, R T I N G s.com I, you can look up they, they do a great job of TV reviews and comparisons, and they compare the TCL R 6 35 to the high sense, U eight G they're both almost they're at one penny, less than a thousand dollars, so, okay, good. We're in the guy's budget. That's great. And according to our Ts, and I have no reason to doubt them at all, they prefer the high sense.
Scott Wilkinson (00:37:25):
They say that it has a much better local dimming. These are both LCD TVs, right? So they have a backlight and they have a full array backlight with local dimming, which is exactly the technology that I strongly recommend. And they say that the high, the high sense has better local dimming and better black uniformity, which is if you're looking at a star field, right, you're an outer watch watching an outer space movie, the black uniformity, the uniformity of that black space is much better than it is on the TCL. So I would say if you're gonna spend a thousand dollars or a penny less in this case, <laugh> not, not including taxes. So if your, if your budget has to include taxes, then, then these are slightly more than your budget. I would recommend the high sense U eight G 65 inch is at, at best buy or Amazon, I forget which 9 99 and wow. 99 cents. That's an amazing price, really? Yeah, really, really? Yeah. For a 65 inch TV flat panel TV. Now you can get, you can spend less on a 65 inch. No question. You can go down the line in either the TCL or high sensee TCL has a five series and a four series and a three series. I don't recommend going in the TCL range below the five series, because then if you go below that you don't have local dimming.
Leo Laporte (00:38:55):
The only thing I would add though, mm-hmm <affirmative> is if you were willing to spend a little bit more mm-hmm <affirmative> I understand if your budget's a thousand, it's a thousand, but for instance, you can get an LG O led C one series, which is a 20, 21 65 inch for 1600 bucks. It seems to me, wouldn't it be worth the 600 bucks.
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:16):
Well, is that the 65 inch or is that the
Leo Laporte (00:39:19):
50 65 inch? This is on Amazon. I'm looking on Amazon. Yeah.
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:22):
Okay. All right. So sure. I mean, if you can, if you can up your budget by more than 50%.
Leo Laporte (00:39:29):
Yeah. I guess. Absolutely. I feel like people,
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:31):
No question
Leo Laporte (00:39:32):
About it should spend that much.
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:34):
<Laugh> <laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:39:35):
And, and, and you and I both agree you shouldn't cut the, would it be better to cut the size or get the lesser model? In other words, should you get a, oh man. A 50? Cause you can get a 55 inch LG
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:47):
D one
Leo Laporte (00:39:48):
G one for 1396.
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:51):
Oh, well that's even, and a C one probably for close to a thousand then.
Leo Laporte (00:39:54):
Yeah. Well that's the thing. Yeah. At 55 inches. So, which is better.
Scott Wilkinson (00:39:59):
That's a super tough
Leo Laporte (00:40:00):
Question. Cut. 10 inches off. <Laugh>
Scott Wilkinson (00:40:02):
Take 10 inches off or take 50%. You'll pay 50%
Leo Laporte (00:40:05):
More. Let me see what the 50, yeah. The 55 is 10 99 99. So a hundred bucks.
Scott Wilkinson (00:40:10):
1100 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. depends on your seating distance. If, if you can sit closer to the TV, then sure. Get a 55
Leo Laporte (00:40:18):
Inch. He O led that much better than the high sense LCD.
Scott Wilkinson (00:40:22):
It is. It is no question about it.
Leo Laporte (00:40:24):
Yeah.
Scott Wilkinson (00:40:25):
Because O led the local dimming <laugh> is individual
Leo Laporte (00:40:30):
Pixels. Yeah.
Scott Wilkinson (00:40:31):
It's, it's not zones within the, the TV,
Leo Laporte (00:40:34):
But you are right to, to say that don't be, you know, the size is more important than you might think. People might say, well, look, I can get for 800 bucks, a 48 inch LG. Yeah. But, but 48 inches, as big as that sounds compared to the old CRT TVs where a 32 inch TV was monstrous
Scott Wilkinson (00:40:52):
<Laugh> I know that was my first, my first TV was a 32 and like,
Leo Laporte (00:40:56):
Wow. Wow. It's so big. Nowadays you, you kind of do want big, like, even if you're, even if you're only 10 feet away, you want 65 or more that's right.
Scott Wilkinson (00:41:07):
Inches. That's right. Yeah. 10, 10 feet away. 65 or more is really ideal if you want an immersive experience. And that's really what we're talking about in home theater and, and, and just video and audio. You want an immersive experience when you're into a movie you wanna get into the
Leo Laporte (00:41:23):
Movie? I, you know, it's kind of funny, cuz I mean, here we are. We're I don't know if we're coming out of COVID we're acting like we are anyway. Yeah. So you can go to the theater. Now, the movie theater, I kind of like the idea of having a home theater that's as good or better than my local movie theater. The popcorn's better course. There's no kids in the front row screaming and, and yelling
Scott Wilkinson (00:41:44):
Or behind you kicking your
Leo Laporte (00:41:46):
Feet. We were trying to decide if we should see everything everywhere, all at once in the theaters, it's just leaving now or just did this week or wait until it comes out on home. And we decided, you know what? I think we got a nice TV. We got a 75 inch or 77 inch O lead with a good surround system. Let's let's watch it at home. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and there's COVID or not. There's a lot to be said for that. I agree. You bet. Scott Wilkinson youtube.com/avs forum
Scott Wilkinson (00:42:23):
Zonk.
Leo Laporte (00:42:24):
All right. Your turn, my friend.
Scott Wilkinson (00:42:27):
Thank you. So
Leo Laporte (00:42:28):
Very oh, Micah and I go get drunk.
Scott Wilkinson (00:42:31):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:42:32):
On caffeine on caffeine. Aha.
Scott Wilkinson (00:42:37):
Ah, now we're talking. Thank you loquacious. Always great to see you here. Beat master. What about Panasonic? Panasonic? I would call first tier, but they don't sell them in the us. So being, being us centric I would, I would not include them, but if I was talking about the whole world then sure, absolutely Panasonic would be in the first tier especially their O LEDs. They do sell their O LEDs in the us, but only to mastering studios only to professionals, not to consumers and Dr. Mom, grandma. Yes. I forgot to add in the tax. And, and I did mention that I did remember that before the end of the, my comments there. So you were you're you're exactly right. If your, if your budget is exactly a thousand dollars including tax, then these TVs that I was recommending would, would not quite work.
Scott Wilkinson (00:43:47):
Let's see. 11 Hearst. Oh, 11 hours. I don't know what that, what your screen name is there? Oh now I can't now the, my feed has jumped around, but anyway, somebody mentioned Amazon and I would, I hadn't men, I didn't mention this in the segment, but there's also a third tier. So first tier I call Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, outside the us second tier TCL, high sense, vio vio kind of straddles the line, but they're really a value oriented brand. And so I, I, I, I personally, I mean, this is nothing, nothing official just me. Then the, then there's the third tier, which I would count as CEP and what's the other one. I had it in mind just a minute ago. The house brand insignia from best buy I would call those third tier and Amazon. Where does the new Amazon TVs fall? Second tier or third tier? I would say probably the, their Omni. I think their Omni is the, the higher end of, of the Amazon TVs, which are made by, I don't know who TCL high sense. Somebody like that. I'd probably put that in the second tier and the lower end Amazon I'd put in the third tier. So that's what I have to say about Amazon.
Scott Wilkinson (00:45:24):
Let's see, what else does somebody have to say? Dr. Mom, grandma tax. Yes, exactly. Beat master. What about Panasonic? Westinghouse. Phoenix warp one. Excellent. Excellent. I would also put them in third tier. They, I mean, Westinghouse is a, is a venerable brand from the us over a hundred years, probably roughly.
Leo Laporte (00:45:49):
That's who I want a TV from
Scott Wilkinson (00:45:51):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:45:53):
Somebody's been making 'em for a hundred years.
Scott Wilkinson (00:45:55):
I'm sorry. I have to put them in the third tier
Leo Laporte (00:45:59):
<Laugh> Westing house. <Laugh> yeah, I know.
Scott Wilkinson (00:46:01):
I
Leo Laporte (00:46:01):
Know the quality goes in. No that's Zeni before the name goes on,
Scott Wilkinson (00:46:08):
Dr. Mom, grandma. That third tier. What you put in your guest room when your in-laws
Leo Laporte (00:46:11):
Are staying. Oh, that's exactly what I had in the guest room. Exactly. The 32 inch one. Yep. Right? Yep.
Scott Wilkinson (00:46:19):
Beat master says another brand. We forgot Phillips. Yeah, they used to, they they're also not
Leo Laporte (00:46:26):
Stick around for the top.
Scott Wilkinson (00:46:28):
Sure. Happy to
Leo Laporte (00:46:30):
We've traded chairs. We have, can you tell, I'm sitting a little higher and yeah. For some reason now you're taller and I'm shorter. Wait. Well, that's the way it is in real life. So I guess that's okay. But yeah, it feels more realistic. I liked it when I was lording it over you, to be honest with you. Okay. Okay. You see how that happens. Gradually slowly inch by inch, bit by bit Leo Laporteaport, Mikah Sargent, or should I say Mikah Sargent and Leo Laporteaport, your tech guys on the radio. Harry and wrench show cook among guys next. Hello, Harry.
Caller 2 (00:47:02):
Hello, Leo. Nice talking
Leo Laporte (00:47:03):
To you. Nice to hear from you. What's up.
Caller 2 (00:47:06):
I read in consumer reports that this Samsung galaxy a 52 has a real good rating for a reasonable price. So I went on Amazon and I ordered started to order it, but then I saw a 53. <Laugh> my logics as well.
Leo Laporte (00:47:22):
It's newer. It's one better <laugh>
Caller 2 (00:47:25):
But I don't think it was the ratings. Doesn't really show it was anyway. I ordered it. I have very difficulty turning it off. It's a two man job. I have to hold these two side buttons. Yeah, yeah. Get a second person to push the down button or the
Leo Laporte (00:47:39):
Off button. All phones are like that now. So you don't turn them off.
Caller 2 (00:47:44):
You don't?
Leo Laporte (00:47:45):
No. Why would you, why are you turning it off?
Caller 2 (00:47:48):
Well, just at that night, I need to recharge him and save the power.
Leo Laporte (00:47:51):
Yeah, leave it on it'll it goes into a low power mode and it'll charge just as fast if it's not on. Really? Yeah.
Caller 2 (00:47:57):
Oh, I had no idea. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:47:59):
It's you know, it's funny. I, at some point in in computer and consumer electronics, we got, we just stopped turning things off. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you, you, you and I are old school, Harry, we go back to the day. Where did you, do you go around the house? Turning lights off.
Caller 2 (00:48:16):
Yeah, I do. I'm 76. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:48:18):
We're old school. I do it too. You know, my wife and my kid lights are on all over the house, you know? And the truth is they're all now. L E D lights. Every time I put an L E D light in, I think I'm never, this is gonna last me. This is gonna last longer than I am. I'm never have to change this bulb again. And they draw like seven Watts. Like nothing 10 of them draw the same as the old incandescent light bulb. So I guess I probably don't have to go around turning lights off. I still do. Cuz it just bothers me somehow.
Caller 2 (00:48:49):
Well, it's funny you tell me that cuz I was on the phone for about three and a half hours with Samsung and of course they have difficulty understanding English and I under difficulty under, you know
Leo Laporte (00:48:58):
What they had difficulty understanding. Why do you want turn off <laugh>
Caller 2 (00:49:01):
Well, I didn't know until you just now told me,
Leo Laporte (00:49:03):
Why are you turning it off? Yeah, you don't, you know, you don't turn off your microwave oven. You don't turn off your TV anymore. You think you're turning it off. You're just putting it in a low power mode and phones are meant to stay on. Now I do have to say, especially Android phones. It is a good idea to at least weekly reboot it. You don't need to turn it all the way off, but you need to get that button up that says restart question mark. And you tap that and you just reboot it like any computer. It's a good idea. Once in a while to clear out memory and start from scratch, but you do not need to shut it down every night to charge it. Absolutely
Caller 2 (00:49:40):
Not. Thanks for that information. But my second part of my question is I was going to return it and I have until June the seventh to return it to Amazon and was gonna order an a 52,
Leo Laporte (00:49:51):
It'll be the same, all phones. Now have a multi button push the, you know, the, I think the reason is again, they figure, well, you're not gonna turn it off. There's always the single button that looks like it's an on, off switch, but it's really screen off. And then on the iPhone, what do we have to do? It's the,
Mikah Sargent (00:50:09):
I think it's volume up volume down and then you can hold the side button.
Leo Laporte (00:50:14):
So
Mikah Sargent (00:50:14):
You
Leo Laporte (00:50:15):
It's just the way it is nowadays. Yeah.
Caller 2 (00:50:17):
I wanted to return it cuz maybe a 52 is a better phone.
Mikah Sargent (00:50:20):
I'm looking at the differences between the two. I've got a list here and the a 53 is a better phone. Not only are you getting the most recent process or which I know doesn't mean a whole lot, but the, the chip is better inside of it. So it's gonna run faster, but you're also going to get updates to your system, which are very important, a lot longer. And here's one for you. You're concerned about power. The battery in the a 53 is, is about like one eighth bigger than the battery in the a 52. So you're gonna get a lot more juice out of it than you would with the last one. The only reason I would ever tell someone to get the a 52 over the a 53 is if they regularly plug in headphones because the a 52 has a headphone Jack, but the a 53 does not.
Caller 2 (00:51:07):
Okay. Well, I that's very valuable information.
Leo Laporte (00:51:10):
So if you do wanna turn it off once in a while it is a, it is a little bit more tricky than the older phones, but you as you know, you hold the side button and the volume down button and most phones, by the way, this is how it is now. For several seconds you don't need to, you only need two fingers. The side button, the on off screen button and the volume down button. Most our phones are settling on this, that works for the iPhone too. Most phones are settling on this now as the, as the way to power off. So you shouldn't need a third finger <laugh>
Caller 2 (00:51:46):
Well, how, how do you know it does it it'll disturb me at night or it may ring or have some, ah,
Leo Laporte (00:51:51):
Well, that's a good, that's a very good question. So that's why you want to set up your do not disturb mode. If you slide down from the right, you'll see in the settings, there's a do not disturb setting. You can turn that on and, and if you can even go into settings and, and configure it. So that for instance you know, only three people can get ahold of me in the middle of the night. Maybe you don't, maybe you're worried that your daughter might be, you know, stranded and wants to call for a ride home. So you can leave that one on, but turn off everybody else. Or you can set it up that they have to call twice the first call doesn't go through. And then the second call, if they do it immediately will go through signaling urgency, that kind of thing. So there are all sorts of settings, but do not disturb as your friend that will turn off all sounds except the one sound you want, which is the alarm clock for the morning. Right? You want that right?
Caller 2 (00:52:43):
Hey, before I go, Leo, I just I've listened to your voice for couple of decades. I don't know why I've never seen you, but you remind me of gene Raburn who used to be a oh, game show
Leo Laporte (00:52:53):
Host. I know gene that's high praise. And I'm, I'm gonna think it's cuz he was a calm guy, you know, he would stand there with his microphone. He had, they made a special microphone for him.
Caller 2 (00:53:05):
Remember that personable?
Leo Laporte (00:53:06):
Yeah, it was very personable and the microphone he'd hold his waist, but it had a very long, long thing and it would go up to his mouth and they made that for him. So he could just stand there with his hands kind of co casually. He was very great guy, you know, who knows him well. And I'll ask about him Dick D Bartolo, who's coming up later on the show, our, our mad magazines. He saved the match game. <Laugh> way back when they were gonna cancel the show cuz it was so boring <laugh> and, and Dick said, well, what if we made them funny questions and, and kind of sexy questions? And they said, well, we're gonna cancel it anyway, go ahead. Try it. And it was such a hit that show went on for another 30 years. Isn't that a great story.
Leo Laporte (00:53:47):
And Jean Raburn, they would go out to lunch and have what you remember, Harry, the two martini lunch, they would have four martini lunches. So it was always fun to watch the, the match game on the shows that they taped later in the day. <Laugh> with Richard Dawson, Richard Dawson, Charles Nelson Riley. That wasn't that a fun show. I loved that show. Yeah. Well that's very high praise. Thank you Harry. I appreciate it. Yeah, I kind of, I think, you know, another guy you will remember who was kind of like gene Rayburn. Of course I can't remember him, but you'll remember <laugh>
Mikah Sargent (00:54:23):
Some, sometime I
Leo Laporte (00:54:24):
Remember Arthur Godfrey, remember Arthur Godfrey. He had that same kind of relaxed kind of jovial Acular style. And I think that I was very much influenced by both of them in my style. So thank you. That's that's high praise. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day, Harry. Yeah, it <laugh>. I be, I bet Harry, Dr. Mom says, does Harry shout when the windows open and I do this and the ACS on we're not air conditioning, the outdoors. Yep. <Laugh> I, I, and I think honestly, when I was younger, I didn't do this. I think I'm turning into my father.
Mikah Sargent (00:55:00):
That's
Leo Laporte (00:55:01):
Probably what going around the house, turning off lights,
Mikah Sargent (00:55:04):
Even with L E D
Leo Laporte (00:55:06):
It's still a lot of use. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (00:55:07):
It's still, I still like to have, you know, if we're not in this space, we don't need to have a
Leo Laporte (00:55:10):
Lights. No. Why waste energy? Yeah. You know, and we have solar panels, so we're just kind of using the sun's energy, but still my waste energy let's, you know, I kind of, I kind of that's, but I, but honestly, I, I only started doing this at a certain age and after <laugh>, after that
Mikah Sargent (00:55:29):
Now did, was it, you didn't use to leave cabinets open, but now you leave cabinets open, but you do make sure that the lights are turned off.
Leo Laporte (00:55:35):
No, I closed cabinets. Oh, no. It's no, no, no. Okay. You're fine. My son, our, our, our 19 year old. Oh, he leads
Mikah Sargent (00:55:39):
In he. Oh, he's cabinet open. Oh
Leo Laporte (00:55:41):
Man. He's cabin opener. 88, 88. Ask Leo, Mikah Sargent Leo Laporteaport. Your tech guys. We're here. You give us a ring. We'll talk next. Now that I'm sitting a little lower.
Mikah Sargent (00:55:56):
I like this. I feel.
Leo Laporte (00:55:58):
Go ahead.
Scott Wilkinson (00:55:59):
It's all yours. Thank you. Thank you. We've been talking in the chat room a little bit about would the lowest O led still beat the highest L C D?
Leo Laporte (00:56:10):
Yes.
Scott Wilkinson (00:56:11):
And the answer is I think, yes. Yes. At least in terms of black level uniformity contrast and probably color. But not in terms of brightness, even the best O led can't be the worst. L C D, well, maybe the worst, but lowest cost. But LCD clearly has it over O led in terms of brightness O and another thing O led even the worst O led or the least expensive O led would have over the best. L C D is viewing angle. You know, people can watch it from wide, far off axis, whereas with almost all LCDs, no way, the picture looks really washed out and funky. If you're off axis. So yes, the answer is yes. Even the least expensive O led. In my opinion, I would take that over the most expensive LCD unless you need a whole heck of a lot of brightness.
Scott Wilkinson (00:57:12):
And if you do, then, then, then you that's another equation. But if you can control the light in your room, even not completely, I mean, here in our house now in Santa Cruz, which is a rental we're, we're still shopping for a house to buy, but in the rental, we have the main TV, which is a Sony led in a room that during the day, there's a big skylight. <Laugh> in the, in the ceiling and I, I can't cover it. So, you know, there's ambient light coming in that room during the day and the OLET still looks great. So, you know, it's, it's mostly, if you've got, you know, blasting sun coming straight into your room, that maybe you might want an L C D instead, but in most cases, I would say that O LED's the, the way to go, Dr.
Scott Wilkinson (00:58:11):
Ma grandma says, is it worth downsizing? The screen, the screen to go with OLET over L C D. Now there's the question we were talking about on the air. How important is size compared to other attributes of the picture and certainly the bigger, the size, the more immersive it is. And so, if, and, and it depends on how far you, you are sitting from the screen. If you, if you get a smaller size and can sit closer, then O LED's still the way to go. If you can't sit closer, if you're 10 feet away. And the choice is between a 77 75 inch LCD versus a well versus a 65 inch, OLET, I'd say, get the 65 inch OLET. If it's between a 65 and a 65 inch LCD in a 55 inch O lead, that's a tougher question, a 55 at 10 feet, 55 inch screen at 10 feet is gonna look pretty small.
Scott Wilkinson (00:59:19):
It's not gonna be very, that becomes, that starts to become a judgment call. I would move the seats closer and get an O lead, but maybe you can't. And if you can't, then, especially if you can sit pretty close on access, if you ha still have a lot of people sitting way off axis, then I'm, I might still say, oh, that that's a tougher question. Dr. Mom Mac Wright. Good, good name, good screen name being visually impaired. I said one foot from my 55 inch TV monitor. Well they, that, that makes sense if you you're visually impaired and you need to sit really close, I would definitely get an O lead in that case. Definitely. because it's not as bright if you're sitting a foot away. Pardon me?
Scott Wilkinson (01:00:15):
If you're sitting only a foot away? Well, if you're visually impaired, maybe brightness, maybe you need the extra brightness. I don't know. That's a good question. But O LEDs are not dim. That's, that's part of the thing that I want to reiterate over and over O LEDs are not dim. I mean, you know, the, the, the LGO LEDs get up to 700 knits and an LCD is gonna get up to a thousand to 2000, so, okay. So there may be half the brightness of an LCD roughly but still 700 knits is plenty bright for most situations now. Exactly. What type of visual impairment do you have do you need that extra brightness because of that particular type of impairment? If so, then maybe, maybe you do need an LC D that that's, that's a good question.
Scott Wilkinson (01:01:12):
Graveyard dub asks which I've always loved that screen name which has better viewing angle plasma or O led I'd say they're about the same. They both had extremely wide viewing angles. So it's, it's about a wash there. Let's see, Mac Wright says, and that screen is still too smalls. I have to zoom the screen to read the text at its largest setting. Ah, well, yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. That meant does make things difficult on you for sure. Leon EIO says, do you like the M class visios yes, I do. I prefer the P class, which is the higher end. If you can afford a P P series well, you know, Walter Cronkite says, what did he say? <Laugh> don't don't don't never is pass up. Any opportunity. Never PA. Yeah, exactly. <Laugh> so don't pass up an opportunity to get a P series VI either <laugh> no, but the M series is fine for saving money in the second tier. The Visiom series I think is, is perfectly good. Let's see,
Mikah Sargent (01:02:32):
The youths are really into short throw projectors these days,
Scott Wilkinson (01:02:35):
Scott. Yeah. Why do you think that is, is, well, have you ever, it certainly beats out a long projector. You one. Yeah. You should go over to Leo sometime and come
Leo Laporte (01:02:45):
Over and see ours, and you can be the judge.
Mikah Sargent (01:02:48):
Well, you always end up going to your Ola TV away
Leo Laporte (01:02:51):
From the, I know. Well, that's the problem with the projector in general, but it's good for a party. It's good for people that makes sense. Cause you get it's a hundred inch screen, you know, do you have a
Scott Wilkinson (01:02:59):
Right there? Tells you something about choosing a size, right? He's got a hundred inch screen on the short throw ultra short throw and he often goes into the what? 55 inch,
Leo Laporte (01:03:10):
70, 77 inch.
Scott Wilkinson (01:03:12):
Oh, you got a 77 inch old. Oh, so
Mikah Sargent (01:03:14):
It's not two different,
Leo Laporte (01:03:15):
Well, it's different enough different and we're but, and we're also for that one, we're sitting real close to it. Yeah. So
Mikah Sargent (01:03:20):
About six inches away.
Leo Laporte (01:03:22):
Yeah. Yeah. Just like that guy. <Laugh> thank you, Scott. Have a
Scott Wilkinson (01:03:27):
Great word. You too. See you next.
Leo Laporte (01:03:32):
I'm getting shorter and shorter.
Scott Wilkinson (01:03:34):
<Laugh> well, Hey, Hey.
Leo Laporte (01:03:37):
Hey. How are you today? Leo Laporte Mikah Sargent here, your tech guys on a Saturday afternoon.
Mikah Sargent (01:03:43):
I feel so energized.
Leo Laporte (01:03:44):
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Leo Laporte (01:04:58):
Let's see. Did I push the wrong button here? Speak to me, speak to me, Trevor. Talk to me, my friend on mute. Hmm. He's always, for some reason, Trevor's always trying new microphone technologies. <Laugh> Jason college station, Texas. Hi, Jason, Leo Laporteaport. The tech guy.
Caller 3 (01:05:22):
Hey Leo. This is Jason. Long time listener. Second time, caller. Welcome
Leo Laporte (01:05:27):
Back
Caller 3 (01:05:28):
Question. Appreciate it. My situation's a little unusual. I have optical migraines and I don't get headaches. It gives me fatigue or my neck tightens up. Yeah. and I have other symptoms and I have noticed when I see 4k TVs, they like bothered my brain. I can't explain it. I wanted to see, I have an, a 10 year old, 10 80 TV. And I like that. Can you still, I have two questions, but the first one was, can you still buy name brand 10 80 P TVs. Let's
Leo Laporte (01:06:02):
Get
Caller 3 (01:06:03):
Page such it work
Leo Laporte (01:06:04):
For, thank God. Scott has not left. He's I haven't still here. Before we go on, though, are you photosensitive?
Caller 3 (01:06:13):
Yes,
Leo Laporte (01:06:13):
You are. Okay, Jason, so flickering lights can bother you. And I think that that's what you're seeing on these TVs. There is a flicker, not to O ADSS, not to direct view TVs. They weren't, the old tube TVs did not flicker. Plasma does not flicker, but LCDs. Am I right? Scott LCDs have a flicker, have a refresh rate.
Scott Wilkinson (01:06:37):
Yeah, they, they do have a refresh. All TVs have a refresh rate.
Leo Laporte (01:06:40):
Yeah. But if it's a per, if it's direct view screen, the refresh rate is just sending additional charge to that pixel. So the pixel might slowly dim and then brighten and dim and then brighten, I guess that could be perceived as a flicker, but there's actual shuttering on LCDs, right?
Scott Wilkinson (01:06:59):
Well, yeah,
Leo Laporte (01:07:00):
I think I'm just saying
Scott Wilkinson (01:07:01):
Lcds and O LEDs, both, both operate on what's called sample and hold, which is that the each frame is, is held onto the screen for, for the duration of the frame. And then the next frame comes up. Yeah. So, you know, if, if it's refreshing at 60 or 120 Hertz, that'd be an interesting experiment to see if, if a 60 Hertz TV affects the caller more than a one 20 Hertz TV or a, or vice versa.
Leo Laporte (01:07:26):
Yeah. You might be more sensitive to different refresh rates. I'm thinking though, Jason, it might be worth going down to the store. Seeing if O led TVs bother you. They may not what the TVs you're probably looking at are all LCDs.
Caller 3 (01:07:39):
The one thing with O led that bothers me the same with the computers. I don't like the reflective screen. It
Leo Laporte (01:07:45):
Its me too. I understand that. Yeah.
Caller 3 (01:07:47):
The LCD has more of a matte screen, so that's so, but I don't have this with the 10 80 P TVs and I didn't know if you could still buy those anymore.
Scott Wilkinson (01:07:58):
You can't, you can, you can still buy 10 80 PTs, but they're at the very bottom of the manufacturer's lineup,
Leo Laporte (01:08:06):
The cheap ones,
Scott Wilkinson (01:08:07):
Small they're the cheap ones and the small ones
Leo Laporte (01:08:10):
Uhhuh.
Caller 3 (01:08:11):
So, cause I don't I only have a 40 inch now because I know y'all always talk about giant screens, but my parents have like a 70 inch TV. It's too bright for me. I, it hurts my eyes just to look. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:08:23):
So it may not be the flickering. It may just be the brightness, the
Scott Wilkinson (01:08:26):
Brightness, in which case an old lead would be better than an
Leo Laporte (01:08:29):
LCD because they're a little dimer and you can turn them down. Can't you? Scott,
Scott Wilkinson (01:08:32):
Can you? Yes, absolutely.
Leo Laporte (01:08:34):
You can reduce the brightness now. You're you probably don't wanna do that to your folks TV cuz then you're gonna be in a constant battle. But if you can get one of your own Jason, I, you could definitely dim it if it's the, okay. See that's the question is what is it that's causing the migraine? Is it the flickering or is it the brightness? And you know, everybody's, everybody's different. My daughter got severe migraines. We only found out after a while from L E D light bulbs because they also flicker mm-hmm <affirmative> and it was in fact it was the flickering I believe. And she is not bothered by incandescent bulbs or even fluorescence, which flicker also, I guess it's the frequency,
Mikah Sargent (01:09:08):
Especially depending on how you're powering L E D lights. Yeah. For some reason they can do some really good.
Leo Laporte (01:09:13):
She used to work in a grocery store that had these big L E D big bright L E D lights. And finally had it quit cuz she was getting the migraines they stopped immediately. Wow. Hmm. So yeah, I think Jason finding out what your, what, what the environmental impacts are, what are the things that are doing will help you figure out, you know, what kind of TV you can get?
Scott Wilkinson (01:09:32):
I on Amazon, I found a TCL 40 inch, 10 80 P it's the 40 S 3 25 for 150 bucks.
Leo Laporte (01:09:39):
Wow.
Caller 3 (01:09:40):
Wow. Okay. My second question relates to the same issue. I have a five year old HP laptop and I'm kind of stuck with it and it's interesting. I bought my son one before and I liked it and I got me one. So I've actually bought my whole laptop back from him. I have tried new computers and I've tried Matt screens. I've tried other HPS. I actually got stuck with at best buy. I wasn't allowed to return any more computers cuz I returned like four.
Leo Laporte (01:10:10):
I think you have a good reason though. You're looking for something. That's not gonna give you a migraine
Caller 3 (01:10:15):
And my neck. Just setting it up in windows, my neck tightens up and my shoulders tighten up. And I don't know if you had ever heard of that before. I, I heard an old episode where someone called in with a sort of similar thing and, but I don't know what to do. I can't buy a new computer.
Leo Laporte (01:10:34):
Yeah. I wonder what they're doing now. That's different, you know, the technology's changed too. It may be that the old <affirmative> TFT, LCD screens didn't bother you. But the new IPS screens they have IPS is is a kind of switching and it might have to do with the, the flickering. That's interesting. I don't know what, what, but they, but they definitely have changed. It would be interesting to figure out
Mikah Sargent (01:11:03):
Yeah. If we knew what the old HP devices that you had
Leo Laporte (01:11:07):
Do you know the model number? Yeah, yeah.
Caller 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah. It's well, it's the star wars, HP laptop with six gigabytes. If you Google it, it, you could find the model number, cuz I've looked it up to get information on more memory and stuff, but it's
Mikah Sargent (01:11:24):
HP pavilion 15 series.
Caller 3 (01:11:28):
Correct. And it was
Leo Laporte (01:11:30):
So we're gonna look up the screen type and see what the screen type is. Resolution refresh rate. It's so funny because you know, clearly there's something going on with displays. That's triggering this. And the problem is, I don't know if they reveal enough about the manufacturing process and how the displays work that you would be able to, to tell. This is a little explored area and
Mikah Sargent (01:11:57):
15.6 inch diagonal, full HD BrightView IPS, w L E D iLet display.
Leo Laporte (01:12:03):
And and this one is a full HD, so it's a 10 80 P so
Caller 3 (01:12:07):
Yes,
Leo Laporte (01:12:08):
It's not. So that's the one that does not bother you.
Caller 3 (01:12:11):
Correct.
Leo Laporte (01:12:11):
And newer, higher resolution, maybe what could happen, Scott, do you think with a higher resolution display? Oh,
Scott Wilkinson (01:12:18):
That, I don't know. I'm thinking it's more regarding or refresh rate,
Leo Laporte (01:12:23):
Refresh rate or brightness.
Scott Wilkinson (01:12:26):
Oh, and or brightness.
Leo Laporte (01:12:27):
Yeah. And certainly the newer displays are much brighter, but all of that, you can turn down the brightness, you know, you don't have absolutely. In fact, it's often been said, people look at their computer screens and have 'em set way too brightly. Right. The problem is we get used to that same thing with a TV. We get used to that N
Scott Wilkinson (01:12:45):
TV, there's a backlight control on an LCD TV. There's a backlight control that you can turn down. And that just turns down the overall brightness of the TV. Yeah. From the, the, it moves the entire range up and down. Yeah. So, you know, I just turn that down.
Leo Laporte (01:12:59):
So it's a question of where do you attack this? I would consider both refresh rate and brightness to be potentially factors. And I'm your Dr. May also have some suggestions. We took Abby to a very good neurologist who was really, really helpful in fact, helped us track down the super thorough. The, the, yeah. And that's the thing you gotta be very, very thorough. The only drawback to that was she said, well, does your, do your parents have migraines? And I, I was there. I said, no, no, no, I don't. She said, but then Abby said, well, you do get those headaches. I said, well, oh, she said, oh yeah, you get migraine. <Laugh> the doctor GA diagnosed me. So there you go, there you go. Mine are stress related. And because you're here, I haven't had a headache in
Mikah Sargent (01:13:43):
Years. Oh, bless
Leo Laporte (01:13:44):
You. Just, you just relax me 88, 88. Ask Leo. Thank you, Scott, for pitching in. I don't know if we've helped much Jason, but, but there's some ideas. Leo Laporteaport, Micah Sergeant, your tech guys, Johnny jet travel guru coming up in about 15.
Mikah Sargent (01:14:01):
So and so
Leo Laporte (01:14:04):
Thank you Scott.
Scott Wilkinson (01:14:06):
Sure.
Leo Laporte (01:14:06):
So serendipitous that's that's really, really
Scott Wilkinson (01:14:09):
Interesting question.
Mikah Sargent (01:14:10):
Yeah, no. I want to find the neurologist to figure
Leo Laporte (01:14:12):
It out and, and that's the problem is there's so many different reasons it could be triggering that, you know.
Scott Wilkinson (01:14:18):
Yeah, exactly. Right. I don't think it's resolution. I
Leo Laporte (01:14:21):
Honestly, don't not, not how, how it's. So it's not the 4k versus 10 AP. It's no something else. I think
Scott Wilkinson (01:14:26):
Brightness and I think it's re I think it's refresh rate,
Leo Laporte (01:14:29):
But I don't. But, but at the same time, Jason, if you, if you say no, look, 10 80 P screens don't bother me. I mean that, that's your, your experience, your experience that matters.
Scott Wilkinson (01:14:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Leo Laporte (01:14:41):
Absolutely. Do you think it's eye strain, Jason? Maybe.
Caller 3 (01:14:43):
I don't think so. In fact, I've been to so many, I've seen 20 doctors over this. It took a while for me to figure out it's a migraine. No one has helped me and they just throw more medicine at you. And so that's not the same side effects and I have, I've spent $20,000 over, oh Lord, four years. I'm just tired of dealing with it. And I'm kind of stuck where I can't buy a new computer. So
Leo Laporte (01:15:06):
Well you certainly can get a computer. That's 10 80 P that's easy.
Caller 3 (01:15:13):
I did that. I still had to return them
Leo Laporte (01:15:14):
Really. Wow. Wow.
Mikah Sargent (01:15:16):
So for some reason, this one star wars laptop that you got did not cause the issue for you.
Caller 3 (01:15:22):
Correct. And I got my son's the same exact model and, and I ordered him a new one and I called HP. And you saw, they don't really get very detailed on
Leo Laporte (01:15:32):
Don't know, there's something they're doing. Hey, I'm gonna suggest one other thing. That's really out of the left field. But somebody in the, in the chat room mentioned it. I got, I got my optometrisrists to give me computer glasses and they have blue blockers built in. So they filter against the blue light. There's a lot of blue light coming through these screens, maybe more now than ever. And they do slight magnification and it really helps me with eye strain when I use the computer. I wear these religiously now when I'm, when I'm sitting on the desktop. So you might look at, there are a couple of companies, Felix gray makes some couple of companies that make these, or if you wear glasses, ask your, all I did is I've said, look, make me a new pair of glasses. Can you make me some computer glasses? They have a slightly higher magnification. They have the blue blocker. And she was able to do that same prescription just up the, the diopter. And that really has helped a lot. So that's another thing maybe to look into.
Caller 3 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I've tried that already and
Leo Laporte (01:16:34):
Nevermind
Caller 3 (01:16:34):
Blue light still on the computer and on my phone helps a lot, but okay. But but yeah, but I also wanted to thank you. I had a neck injury recently that turned all my migraine symptoms up, like 20 times worse. And I couldn't focus on what I was seeing for about a month and a half, but I could listen. Thank
Leo Laporte (01:16:54):
You. I focused
Caller 3 (01:16:55):
Mentally. So I actually have been listening to the past two years of your tech guy shows. Oh. While I was sitting there to, to give me something to focus on while I was recovering. So I appreciate that.
Leo Laporte (01:17:05):
My pleasure, Jason, I'm glad we could be there for you. I'm gonna keep my ears to the ground and I hope you do too. And if you find something, let us know. I bet there are other people out there and you're right. I mean, it's a tough, we felt very lucky that we finally found a neurologist after a lot of looking that was able to kind of track it down and help Abby. It's a, it's a horrible thing. And you know, she didn't have headache pain. That's why we weren't sure it was a migraine, but it's very similar to, to your she'd get very weak. She'd like kind of just be very weak. So it, in a variety of other things and the, the neurologist said, oh yeah, it's not always head pain. The variety of results. So yeah. I'm glad you were able to at least get some diagnostics.
Caller 4 (01:17:48):
Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you.
Leo Laporte (01:17:49):
Hey, a pleasure talking to you. Thank you, Jason. And and, and thank you to Scott once again. Sure. No problem. See you next week. See you next week. Bye. Bye. FFL is good F Lux. But I feel like a, a glass is on an optical solution can be better than whatever you could do by turning changing the color of the screen. I don't know. Leo Laporteaport, Mike, a Sergeant, your tech guys answering the calls talking. Hi tech. Let's try Trevor one more time. Hi Trevor.
Caller 4 (01:18:29):
Hi. I'm from, Bernab not, not California. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:18:34):
Yeah.
Caller 4 (01:18:34):
Said there's more comments about,
Leo Laporte (01:18:36):
Okay.
Caller 4 (01:18:37):
Oh, sorry. She said that. Yeah. I've been doing some more thinking and looking and I look to Collin studio and it's a really expensive
Leo Laporte (01:18:48):
Solution. So let me explain, because we're coming in the middle of the conversation Trevor's disabled. He wants to do a podcast for and about disabilities, which is great. Want to encourage you to do that? He wants to do it like a talk show, like a radio call in show. And so he is looking for solutions, you know, podcast style, you know, laptop style solutions. You've obviously got the microphone worked out. You sound great. But now you want to be able to take calls and we, we were talking about calling studio. How much is it?
Caller 4 (01:19:19):
It's worse than I thought. <Laugh> you got your calculator there.
Leo Laporte (01:19:23):
<Laugh> okay.
Caller 4 (01:19:25):
So you have your host line. Yeah. That's 3 cents. I'm in it. Every guest you have one. Yeah. You have 3 cents. Yep. Your each screener is 3 cents. Oh, that's
Leo Laporte (01:19:36):
Crazy.
Caller 4 (01:19:36):
Each color on hold is 6 cents. So
Leo Laporte (01:19:40):
No, no, forget
Caller 4 (01:19:40):
It. You say five. I know I looked at it for even
Leo Laporte (01:19:44):
It adds up hour
Caller 4 (01:19:45):
A day. Yeah. It was $158. Yeah. Okay. I looked into blog talk radio. Yeah. And that was, it was, it was pay 50 bucks a month, but you limited to one hour a day right over that. The show stops because, so right now I have two ring center line, but I need a programmer. This is why we need to reach out to the community. Cuz ring cent says, oh yeah, just do our suggestion box.
Leo Laporte (01:20:16):
But no, no they're all gonna be this expensive. This is a, you know, 3 cents a minute is, you know, I mean, they're just all gonna be that expensive.
Caller 4 (01:20:25):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:20:26):
Unfortunately
Caller 4 (01:20:28):
Rings, you know, with ring central, I can have them just put the car, call into a car. Paul, what do you call it? Call park. Call park. Yeah. And then pick up on my line. That's fine. But what will be nice is if they, they have feature suggestions, but no, no one knows about it. Who's a ring center user.
Leo Laporte (01:20:50):
I think so. You're I honestly, Trevor, I, I think really the thing to do is to kind of rethink your, your plans. And instead of having a bunch of Callins maybe have guests, you know, I'm trying to think, are there a lot of, are there a lot of call in podcasts? I think most podcasts it's a host and a guest,
Caller 4 (01:21:09):
Well did be a live show Monday to Friday, like three to four hours everywhere. Long. I feel like, oh yeah. I wanna get people, regular people to be interviewed like that guy you had on previously. Yeah. Cause just so that the normal people like they're being interviewed there's,
Leo Laporte (01:21:23):
Here's another, here's another thought I don't know what they have in Burnabee but you might check with your in, in the states we have public access television. This is PR I don't know if the CRTC does this or not, but we have every, every town that has a cable company also has, and the cable company pays for it. Public access television. I wonder if there's public radio. I bet there is in Canada. Goodness knows. You guys have a much more robust public public broadcasting system. See if, cuz that's what you really need is the facilities of a radio station to do that.
Caller 4 (01:22:02):
I have, I have everything in need right now. I just have to figure out how I'm get.
Leo Laporte (01:22:06):
Well you don't though. You need the calls and, and we mentioned talk shoe before you decided talk shoe, wasn't gonna do it.
Caller 4 (01:22:14):
Yep. But I'm just as, but as many as calling to say those, these services, how they're really expensive and the solution is I'm just gonna use RingCentral, but there's a suggestion box. They say, people just say, oh I need, we could get this to work with RingCentral and save thousands of dollars. So, but we, people need to actually go into their community tab, click on make a suggestion and then vote on them. And that's what people don't do with RingCentral. So we don't get the good features that everyone else has.
Leo Laporte (01:22:47):
So go. So you're saying go vote on RingCentral.
Caller 4 (01:22:52):
Yeah. For your, you have to be a U ring, total user. You go into support panel. Then the community tab.
Leo Laporte (01:22:58):
Well I'll vote cuz we're a ring sent. We use RingCentral for our business phone system. So I will cast a vote. How,
Caller 4 (01:23:03):
How do I sound today? Because I'm calling through ring central right
Leo Laporte (01:23:06):
Now. I was gonna say you sound better than you've ever sounded before you sound like you're right. Doesn't he mm-hmm <affirmative> he sounds like he's right here. Right here. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you're using a good microphone. You're using a mixer and now you're using RingCentral for the voice over IP and it sounds fantastic. Sounds as good as anything. So you've I think you've, I think you've licked that part of it. Now you just have to figure out how to, how to take calls.
Caller 4 (01:23:29):
Well, yeah, the other thing is I have to find a call screener. That's not gonna cost me money cuz I'm not allowed to own a business on disability. Any money penny I make
Leo Laporte (01:23:37):
Isn't that rotten they're
Caller 4 (01:23:38):
Gonna monitor
Leo Laporte (01:23:39):
So rotten, if you're on disability, you can't, you can't get off disability cuz he would then they'd kick you off. Yeah. Well
Caller 4 (01:23:48):
Thousand dollars
Leo Laporte (01:23:48):
A year volunteers are, are a great thing for this kind of thing. And I, I just, you know, encourage you. Do you, are you a member of various communities, online forums and things like that? That's the place to go to ask those questions? The good news is, you know, discord now is another big one. The good news is there are a lot of online communities for almost any interest. And I am sure there are many disability forums. I would go to them, Trevor. I'm sure you could find a volunteers. Aren't gonna be hard. I don't think for you to find and, and you know, just keep us up to date on how it's working, how it's going for you. I'm glad that you were able to kind figure out the audio problems anyway.
Caller 4 (01:24:29):
Oh and a tip for you. You can actually use your V sorry. Your VX can actually connect right into ring central too.
Leo Laporte (01:24:38):
Yeah, we so that's the audio system we use from Teos. We use an Axia audio system here in the studio and yeah, probably that's what we're do. We're not using RingCentral, but we are connected directly using a teleos VX handset into the so I think we're doing that. <Laugh> I don't think we're using ring central. We're using a different voiceover IP system, but yeah, that's exactly
Caller 4 (01:25:00):
The ring central does have apps. Also main app develop out there. Could develop a call show.
Leo Laporte (01:25:06):
Sure. They have an API. You have that interface. So you're saying that they don't have that per minute charge, huh?
Caller 4 (01:25:13):
No, it's it's my plan I'm on the premium. You're probably on the premium too. Comes with 2,500 minutes of long. Nice call it 800 minutes,
Leo Laporte (01:25:23):
Trevor. I'm running outta time. I appreciate it. Congratulations. You're doing it. You're doing it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> Leo. Leport Mike Sergeant Johnny jet coming up. My friends he's been everywhere. Manny's are traveling guru. Jonathan jet, Jonathan Livingston, jet the star of the show. He's at Johnny jet.com. His newsletters are there. He is on Twitter. He is on Instagram and he's here right now. Hello Johnny. Hello? You ever see stripes for?
Johnny Jet (01:26:02):
He says don't call me Francis.
Leo Laporte (01:26:04):
<Laugh> yes. Jonathan living.
Johnny Jet (01:26:07):
Steve don't call me
Leo Laporte (01:26:08):
Jonathan. <Laugh>. How
Johnny Jet (01:26:11):
About John or John?
Leo Laporte (01:26:12):
John or Johnny. Okay. No Jack. Jack's your son. We can't call him Jack. I'd be confusing. No. Yeah. Yep. So,
Johnny Jet (01:26:20):
So I wrote a post this week. I was actually, my, my nephew was graduating from NYU. Congrats.
Leo Laporte (01:26:25):
I
Johnny Jet (01:26:25):
Guess who was a guess? Who was a commencement speaker? The,
Leo Laporte (01:26:28):
I don't know. Taylor
Johnny Jet (01:26:30):
Swift.
Leo Laporte (01:26:30):
Oh, Tay TA.
Johnny Jet (01:26:32):
Sure. So I, I read her transcript and I'm reading and I'm like, oh my God, there's such a brilliant tip in there about travel. I quickly wrote a post Google, picked it up. I had the most traffic I've ever had to my website in a day. What? And yes.
Leo Laporte (01:26:45):
All because of Taylor swift.
Johnny Jet (01:26:47):
Yes. I had to thank her. She's
Leo Laporte (01:26:48):
She's powerful. Very, she is the, she is like amazing.
Johnny Jet (01:26:53):
So in her, in her speech, she said, she's talking about how, you know, it's really not that glamorous being on the road, but in reality it consisted of a rent car motels. And my mom and I pretending to have a loud mother and daughter fights with each other during boarding. So no one would sit next to us on an empty Southwest flight. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:27:09):
You're kidding. And I was like, does Taylor swift do that?
Johnny Jet (01:27:12):
Well, this is, this is when she's making it young. Now she's flying private all
Leo Laporte (01:27:16):
Around the world. Oh yeah, she doesn't. Yeah,
Johnny Jet (01:27:18):
But I I'm sure she spent a lot of time on commercial airlines, especially Southwest cuz she's from Tennessee and they have a big, not a hub, but they have a, a lot of service from there. But anyway, so I wrote a tip on, you know, tips for flying. I wrote a post on tips for flying Southwest, you know, and you know, I got so many comments, but a lot of them are, you know, check in as soon as possible. I'm talking, set your alarm 24 for 24 hours, 24
Leo Laporte (01:27:43):
Hours. Exactly.
Johnny Jet (01:27:44):
Yeah. And no 24 hours and five minutes. So that you're
Leo Laporte (01:27:46):
Ready at 24 hours to do it. Exactly.
Johnny Jet (01:27:48):
Yeah. You gotta click it right. Then I'm talking, it's like a, a time bomb because everybody
Leo Laporte (01:27:52):
Else is doing that
Johnny Jet (01:27:54):
For sure. Yeah. And you really want to get it. And that was first minute. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:27:58):
Or two. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
Johnny Jet (01:27:59):
Anyway or you can pay extra and get that business select fair, which is supposed to guarantee up to, you know, a boarding 15 number 15, but that's not always happening. And, and and actually there were a lot of people complaining in the, in the comment section that I, I really can't believe people do this, but they pretend that they are in a wheelchair. So they get wheeled on before everybody. And then they say they fight to get off. They just walk right off. It's like a miracle flight <laugh>
Leo Laporte (01:28:23):
I mean, you know, that's terrible. And that is just, that's not good
Johnny Jet (01:28:28):
That Karma's gonna, that's gonna catch up to you
Leo Laporte (01:28:30):
Car back, Insta karma. Gonna get you. Yeah,
Johnny Jet (01:28:32):
It is. Yeah. But always. And also, you know, when you do check in, be on time at the gate, so you don't miss your spot. And you know, if you're, if it's two people flying, I recommend splitting up, you know, and this is what Taylor obviously did. She, you know, one of them took the window. One took the aisle and they, and go to the back of the plane because everyone, everyone wants to be in the front of the plane, go in the back. You have the least chance of someone sitting next to you. But these days flights are going out full. So you gotta first ask the gate, agent is a plane full or not. And if it's not, then you have a shot. But one person, you know, people pretend they flight, they, they fight. I, I know someone who actually puts a Kleenex box on their lap and puts dirty tissues in the middle seat.
Leo Laporte (01:29:11):
That's
Johnny Jet (01:29:11):
So really, and I was like, you know what, that's probably gonna get your kicked. That's gonna get kicked off the plane. Cause they're gonna think you have COVID.
Leo Laporte (01:29:16):
That is mean it
Johnny Jet (01:29:18):
Is. But so anyway, and then also one, one person gave me a good tip. They said, they look for the biggest person possible sitting in the seat, they board last and they go sit next to 'em cuz they don't think anyone's gonna sit in the middle seat. Yeah. So I mean these are some,
Leo Laporte (01:29:33):
I love Southwest. I always fly Southwest. I really like it.
Johnny Jet (01:29:36):
What I like about Southwest is that they give you two free check bags and they don't charge change fees. I mean the other airlines don't now because of COVID, but they've been doing it for the change fees part. They've been doing it forever or as long as they've been around 68, actually I wanted contest. This is their old boarding port passes. I have a whole slew of them. This is what they used to hand people. Now it's all paper or,
Leo Laporte (01:29:59):
Oh, I remember that the plastic with your number on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Johnny Jet (01:30:03):
So anyway, that's my Southwest tip and basically my Taylor
Leo Laporte (01:30:09):
See, I would never fly spirit or any of the real budget airlines cuz they charge for everything. And the seat pitch is so narrow, but Southwest is it's their nice planes and li you know, comfortable seats. The only thing that's a little weird is you don't get assigned seats. And that's why all these little tricks so that you get a, a decent seat, but Lisa and I will fly Southwest. You know, if it's available that's cuz they're affordable.
Johnny Jet (01:30:34):
Definitely. And the flight attendants have always been funny and
Leo Laporte (01:30:37):
Friendly. Oh gosh, they're famous for that. We had a Southwest flight attendant in here and she said, I'm famous for my pretzel crowns. I said what she said when I when I wanna reward a passenger for excellent behavior or something, I'll make a crown out of the pretzel packets and toothpicks <laugh> and she sent me one, I have it here somewhere. I have a Southwest airlines, pretzel, crown.
Johnny Jet (01:31:02):
They're amazing. They really are.
Leo Laporte (01:31:03):
And I, you know what, when I see people having fun at work like that, I figure this must be a good place to work. Like they're getting paid. Okay. you know, they're getting treated well, I hope that's the case
Johnny Jet (01:31:14):
For sure. Yeah. I do have one more tip. Do we have time? Sure. so everyone's talking about international travel testing to get back into the us. That's still ineffective of your two years or older. You need to prove a negative test. Does it have to
Leo Laporte (01:31:29):
Be a PCR test, gonna be a quick,
Johnny Jet (01:31:30):
No, it can. It can be quick, but it can't be the home test. They send you because it needs to be proctored,
Leo Laporte (01:31:36):
Right? So there's a service you can get on zoom with a guy and he watches, you swab your nose and all of that.
Johnny Jet (01:31:42):
So I was doing some research and a company cuz I we're going to Canada and we need to get a test to get back in. I think by the time we get back, which is in July, I think I'll be gone. But you
Leo Laporte (01:31:51):
Think they're gonna drop
Johnny Jet (01:31:52):
It? I do think they're gonna drop it. We'll see. We'll see. It should be by July, but anyway, I'm prepared. So there's a, a company called eed E and then M E d.com. And they you can order them 10 days in advance just to guarantee you you'll have 'em you pack 'em you bring 'em with you. And then when it's time, you do not open the box. You can open the package they come in, but you cannot open the box because you have to have, you're gonna, you're gonna go on with a live agent. And what's great about these guys is you don't need an appointment. You can just on demand. They have, and they look at it, they scan your QR code and they watch you open the box. Then you, they watch you take the test and then you in 15 minutes, I think you call back and then you do it again and they see show you the results or you show them the results and then they'll send you a
Leo Laporte (01:32:37):
Live. How much does it cost?
Johnny Jet (01:32:40):
They're TW I think it's $69 for two.
Leo Laporte (01:32:42):
Oh, that's not bad. No,
Johnny Jet (01:32:44):
That's not bad. It's not. What's great about these is that, you know, I've heard horror stories where people are traveling internationally. Can't get a test and it's a holiday. They can't find a test or they gotta show up to the airport really early and there's long lines and this is, you can just do it from your hotel room. So, or your rental or your, or your friend's
Leo Laporte (01:32:59):
House. So is this on your website or you want to give it out? It is
Johnny Jet (01:33:02):
AC it is. I'll put it on Twitter. I'll it's on my homepage right now. And
Leo Laporte (01:33:05):
Johnny
Johnny Jet (01:33:06):
Jett com also put it in the show notes. Okay. Or the
Leo Laporte (01:33:08):
Chat room. So I, so if you're planning some international travel, just know until they lift that rag and, and they may be, they'll do that later in the summer, but it's still in effect. You're gonna have to test before you come home. This is a good way to do. It seems like a, a good idea to bring the, and you could bring these with you. Right.
Johnny Jet (01:33:23):
Definitely pack it with you. Yeah. But just don't open it until you you're with a live agent and it tell, says it right on the box. Right. But if you're not traveling to August, I would wait just to see if they drop it or not. Wait, you know, two weeks before then order them.
Leo Laporte (01:33:36):
Now. I wonder where we're going on this cruise to Alaska <laugh> and you know, as, because it's a cruise line, that's I dunno as flagged in The Bahamas or somewhere, the rules are that if you, you have to go to at least one international port on each trip. Right. So they always stop. They stop all the Alaska cruises stop in Victoria, British Columbia. And that's their international port. Do you think that means at that point that I'm gonna have to get a test to come back?
Johnny Jet (01:34:01):
No, because it's only for air travel,
Leo Laporte (01:34:03):
Ah,
Johnny Jet (01:34:04):
To, to get back into the us. You can drive across Canada or Mexico. Okay. Or, or take a boat.
Leo Laporte (01:34:10):
No, I was thinking of bringing my monkey with me. Do you think that'll be a problem at all?
Johnny Jet (01:34:13):
That is a problem.
Leo Laporte (01:34:14):
Does he have to get a COVID
Johnny Jet (01:34:16):
<Laugh> and actually double check about the cruise? I I know for sure. It's air and driving. You don't need one. I'll
Leo Laporte (01:34:22):
Ask, but I don't think, I don't think the cruise. Just double check. Double check. Yeah. We'll just double, double check. Just
Johnny Jet (01:34:25):
Double check. Just tweet it. The what is it? You can tweet it. The ask TSA. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:34:31):
Ask
Johnny Jet (01:34:31):
TSA. But TSA, TSA, TSA security.
Leo Laporte (01:34:34):
It's a different thing. That's true. I'll ask him about the monkey. You gonna
Johnny Jet (01:34:36):
Do
Leo Laporte (01:34:37):
They'll they'll probably know about what to do with bubbles.
Johnny Jet (01:34:39):
You have, if you have bubbles of monkey, you're gonna, you're definitely gonna get stuff, Johnny
Leo Laporte (01:34:42):
Jet, but he doesn't have anything, but Johnny jet
Johnny Jet (01:34:46):
Dot, they're gonna check 'em out. Johnny
Leo Laporte (01:34:49):
Jet.Com. Go there. Get the address of this place to get these tests. Get his newsletters. They're free follow 'em on Instagram and Twitter and join him and us here every week. Thank you, Johnny.
Johnny Jet (01:34:59):
Thank you.
Leo Laporte (01:35:01):
You're on the eight ball.
Johnny Jet (01:35:04):
Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:35:11):
So everybody's well,
Johnny Jet (01:35:13):
Oh, well, gosh. I mean this, this past week, we're all recovering and it's been two weeks since we were
Leo Laporte (01:35:18):
Sick. Wow.
Johnny Jet (01:35:20):
And but we are all feeling good right now. So thank goodness. Wow. That was three days ago. I was like, I'm not sure. My, my daughter's still sniffling, but all done.
Leo Laporte (01:35:28):
Good. Yay.
Johnny Jet (01:35:31):
Yes. So fingers cross all goes smooth.
Leo Laporte (01:35:35):
All right. Well stay well, stay healthy, have fun. So how long are you gonna be gone for?
Johnny Jet (01:35:40):
Just seven weeks.
Leo Laporte (01:35:42):
Just seven weeks. I'm so jealous. Just seven weeks, but
Johnny Jet (01:35:47):
I'll be Skypeing in every week.
Leo Laporte (01:35:49):
You will. Okay. Okay. If you can and don't feel like you have to, if you,
Johnny Jet (01:35:54):
I, I, I, listen. I love to,
Leo Laporte (01:35:55):
I know, first of all, it's We
Johnny Jet (01:35:57):
Love it. I got traffic to the website. I get to talk to you and Micah. Yeah. And and I most importantly, I get to share my advice and knowledge. So people travel better.
Leo Laporte (01:36:05):
We appreciate
Johnny Jet (01:36:06):
Her and
Leo Laporte (01:36:06):
Smoother. We appreciate it. We're back to traveling, which is such good News. I can't wait
Johnny Jet (01:36:14):
2.3 million people went through TSA last two days yesterday and today.
Leo Laporte (01:36:19):
But wow.
Johnny Jet (01:36:20):
But in 2019, the same day today, it was 2.7 or, or close to 2.7. Oh wow. So we still are a little bit, but we're, we're definitely more and more people are traveling and it's getting more and more expensive so
Leo Laporte (01:36:33):
That I know. Holy cow, it's really expensive.
Johnny Jet (01:36:36):
Did you book your flights by the way to
Leo Laporte (01:36:38):
No. Oh yes. Oh my God. No, no, no. We did. No, no, no. Thank you. <Laugh> we're not flying. We're gonna Seattle, but no, no, we did it a long time and it was cheap. It was like 253 bucks from Santa Rosa.
Johnny Jet (01:36:47):
I I'd like you to price it out right now and tell me what it is.
Leo Laporte (01:36:49):
Oh yeah. You think it's a lot more.
Johnny Jet (01:36:52):
Yep.
Leo Laporte (01:36:52):
But see it's Santa Rosa to a Seattle.
Johnny Jet (01:36:55):
Yeah. You're, you're lucky on that, but I I'm. I'm curious.
Leo Laporte (01:36:59):
Let me see. Let me see. Santa Rosa.
Johnny Jet (01:37:08):
I should be looking
Leo Laporte (01:37:09):
To Seattle flights. Well, Google does it right. Automatically if you, yeah, here we go. Let's see. Round trip. Yep. We're gonna be leaving. Let's pick timeframe. That's the same right on July 13th coming back, July 23rd. Done. So
Johnny Jet (01:37:35):
No, no, no. No show then.
Leo Laporte (01:37:39):
That's unknown.
Johnny Jet (01:37:41):
Okay. You keep me
Leo Laporte (01:37:42):
Posted. No prices are still cheap. Are they 298 round trip
Johnny Jet (01:37:46):
Is how about SFO?
Leo Laporte (01:37:47):
Oh, I'm sure those are gonna it's because it's the
Johnny Jet (01:37:50):
Santa
Leo Laporte (01:37:51):
Rosa's Santa Rosa. It's cheap.
Johnny Jet (01:37:52):
That's
Leo Laporte (01:37:53):
Great. I know. And it's fast. I'm glad to hear it's a jet. No, they're still they're still pretty cheap from SFO too. Okay. Okay. You know, what's nice on this. They now tell you how many kilograms of CO2. Yes they do. You're gonna be using. They do. So that's kind of cool. Yeah, actually, we'll talk about it next week. They ha Google just came out with some new updates. Yeah. Good for you. Google. I'll make a note. Yeah, I think that'd be kind of cool. Cuz then we buy offsets. We go to Terra pass or somewhere and we, we get offsets, but they did some more stuff too for travel. Yeah. Yeah. They're good. I gotta write that post. Gotta work on it. So I saw their press release. Yeah. All right, John. All right. Take care. See ya. See ya. Hi,
Mikah Sargent (01:38:35):
Drinking black coffee makes you want better coffee.
Leo Laporte (01:38:37):
Mm Leo LaporteaPorte tech guy, 88 88. Ask Leo. I'm here with Mikah Sargent tech guy two for hour. Number two of the tech guy show. And Brian is next in mission. VAO California. Hello Brian.
Caller 5 (01:38:53):
Hey Leo. So I got a new car came with wireless car play. I was all excited. You know, it just worked right off the bat and you know, over time started cutting out. We completely disconnect. I mean, I'd have the phone within like, you know, an inch of the screen and just the most horrible connection. Then
Leo Laporte (01:39:21):
I had, I have wireless CarPlay as well in my Mustang, mock E. And that happens from time to time as well, where it just kinda gets. And I, you know, I wonder what is causing that wireless CarPlay uses wifi. It uses the car becomes a wifi access point that your phone joins, you know, transparently. Have you tried plugging it in? I presume you could also use a lightning cable or whatever to do that as well, right?
Caller 5 (01:39:50):
Yeah. I've, I've plugged it in. I even, I, I had the car switched out for one reason or another. And then the newer new car, same problem. Hmm. My, my wife's phone, same thing. Doesn't matter which phone it is.
Leo Laporte (01:40:04):
Is it an iPhone or an Android phone?
Caller 5 (01:40:08):
Both iPhones. Both up to date. I know. Yeah. The, the radios up to date,
Mikah Sargent (01:40:13):
Do the cutouts appear randomly or
Caller 5 (01:40:17):
Are really random. Okay. I mean,
Mikah Sargent (01:40:19):
The reason I'm asking is because some people have an issue around tolls. Really when the toll is looking for the little meter inside of your car,
Leo Laporte (01:40:27):
The RF breaks
Mikah Sargent (01:40:28):
It up. Yeah. I can end up messing with it. I assume you're not microwaving anything in your car. I kid <laugh>
Leo Laporte (01:40:34):
No, don't do that. <Laugh> well, that's interesting. Yeah. Hmm.
Caller 5 (01:40:41):
I'm not the only one with this problem.
Mikah Sargent (01:40:42):
No, I'm seeing
Leo Laporte (01:40:44):
Wireless CarPlay is a cool thing when it works is a really cool thing when it works. But if it doesn't work yeah. Not such a cool thing. You know, I mean that is always, the fallback is to do wired CarPlay and then you wouldn't have to use wireless technology to do it. You could just, you know, it'll use USB. What
Mikah Sargent (01:41:03):
Kind of car did you say?
Caller 5 (01:41:06):
Jeep wagon ear. Okay.
Leo Laporte (01:41:09):
Yeah. I wonder what other things, you know, we, it's funny, you found a really good trick last week. Somebody who had very slow wifi and turning off Apple's iCloud relay, fixed the speed. I wonder if it might also be related to this. So the private relay, which is a feature apple added, and it, I think is on by default, I believe now is something you can turn off in the iCloud settings. And I would try that. I, I think you wanna try messing with your iCloud settings is I guess the answer to that one and okay. And I think this is not unusual. Here's a whole thread. Thank you. Scooter X, from wagon, ear fans on wireless CarPlay and Bluetooth issues. We'll put a link to the show notes for that. Do they have any good suggestions?
Mikah Sargent (01:41:57):
There's one they say to reset the restart, the radio which can sometimes kind of fix things also going into your settings and checking both your Bluetooth settings because that's often the first pair that happens before the wifi connection takes place and tapping the little eye and completely removing your wagon ear from the Bluetooth settings. So essentially restarting the CarPlay pairing process because sometimes there can be a firmware update or some other update that ends up kind of messing up the connection so that it is happening sometimes. And sometimes it's cutting out as you're experiencing. So a complete restart of those, which I wouldn't be surprised if you've tried that. But if you haven't check both Bluetooth and wifi,
Caller 5 (01:42:44):
I've tried all that. Okay. I haven't done the, the relay test. That's an interesting one, but it's worth a shot.
Mikah Sargent (01:42:54):
Yeah. And this is, this is one of those things where, because of the car systems, how each of them is individually set up, it's hard to tell where that might be interfering with what you're doing. And so you end up having to kind of figure out what you can do, what you can get access to. So you did the restart radio option.
Caller 5 (01:43:16):
Yep. I mean reset all my settings, reset the radio repaired it. <Laugh> yeah.
Mikah Sargent (01:43:25):
Yeah. I would try the, the,
Caller 5 (01:43:26):
It always comes back
Mikah Sargent (01:43:28):
The iCloud relay option, just to make sure that that is toggled off depending on where you're looking you can do it for individual networks. So you would launch the settings app on your iPhone. You'd tap on wifi. You would tap the I icon for info next to the wifi network, and then make sure that the setting called limit IP address tracking is toggled off and not toggled on that will turn it off for that individual wifi setting.
Leo Laporte (01:43:57):
So they don't call it iCloud, private, really just limit tracking. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (01:44:01):
Limit tracking is what they call it. Individual
Leo Laporte (01:44:03):
It's worth the try. I mean, this is just it's it could be so many things mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, once, you know, okay. It's so sort of weird infrastructure, wifi hack was what wireless CarPlay is. Then you can start messing with your wifi and seeing you know, what changes it may be. If it's in a case taken outta the case, seeing what changes it, it happens to me completely intermittently completely unpredictably. It often, if I, you know, stop, get out, get back in and start up again. It's gone. I feel like there's some buffering that goes on that cause what, what is the, what, what does it sound like when it's not working? Is it choppy?
Caller 5 (01:44:41):
It's choppy or it literally just com the phone just completely disconnects from the radio. Yeah. And we'll, yeah. It'll, it'll just keep trying to,
Leo Laporte (01:44:49):
I have that too, by the way, from time to time, I'll get in and there's no CarPlay, then I, you know, the fix is to stop the car, turn it all, all the way off, turn all the way on. Again, these are computers. These are, and it's, you know I think maybe wasn't really ready for prime time. I don't
Mikah Sargent (01:45:05):
Know. Yeah. Someone just in April of this year said that the radio reset fix was temporary and that anyone who has a Chrysler vehicle with, oh, it's a wireless CarPlay is having trouble getting it to work.
Leo Laporte (01:45:19):
Interesting.
Mikah Sargent (01:45:19):
You may check if there's a firmware update as well. On April 5th, someone posted about a firmware update for their Wagoner and were able to install that they had to go to their dealer to get it installed, but upon doing so that did seem to fix the problem for them. Some other people though, it did not fix the problem for them. Wow. Wow. This seems like it's a,
Leo Laporte (01:45:42):
It's a Wagoner thing. <Laugh> just wouldn't understand. Well, I'm glad you called. This is where this is where the internet is really a useful tool to see if others have a similar problem. Although I should
Caller 5 (01:45:56):
The cars.
Leo Laporte (01:45:56):
Yeah.
Caller 5 (01:45:57):
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was gonna say, speaking of cars, you know, I called you a couple years ago asking if, you know, everyone's trying to figure out what Apple's doing with their, their car division. And I was kind of curious if they were making like an iPhone, if it's possible for the iPhone to help drive a car. <Laugh> and obviously you were skeptical. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (01:46:18):
It's getting smarter though. It might be <laugh>.
Caller 5 (01:46:21):
Well, now there's a, there's a company, comma AI. Yes. it's not an iPhone. It's, it's an Android, but it's very
Leo Laporte (01:46:28):
Impressive. A windshield. Yeah. You use
Caller 5 (01:46:30):
It my car. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:46:31):
It, it it's. Oh yeah, it it's pretty reliable.
Caller 5 (01:46:35):
I have it on my 2015 Chrysler 200 because it's open source. Someone helped me make the firmware and I mean, I could drive as long as I want hands free. It's perfect.
Leo Laporte (01:46:47):
Wow. And so it uses the camera from the phone, is that all it's using?
Caller 5 (01:46:53):
Yeah. Reads the lane lines.
Leo Laporte (01:46:56):
I've been reading about com AI, but I had no idea. I didn't know anybody who'd used it. I'm very impressed.
Caller 5 (01:47:05):
Wow. That's a huge crowd. I mean it's yeah. It's amazing. I mean, the guy started, it was the guy that like hacked the PlayStation.
Leo Laporte (01:47:12):
Yeah. It was Hotz George, George Hotz. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That is really cool. Compatible with 150 plus vehicles. So you have to modify the firmware in your vehicle to do it. Is that right?
Caller 5 (01:47:25):
If your car is not, if comma has not already created software for your model, then you can if, if, if you have the time to do it, you can make your car work usually. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:47:38):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Wow. And you paid it's 2000 bucks. You bought it.
Caller 5 (01:47:47):
Well, no, I got the first edition. I, that
Leo Laporte (01:47:50):
You got the open source one seven or
Caller 5 (01:47:52):
Wow. Yeah. Seven or 800 bucks.
Leo Laporte (01:47:54):
Very cool. Leo LaporteaPorte, Mikah Sargent. We're gonna get a self-driving radio show someday and then watch a more tech guy coming up. I think they figured that out a while, but <laugh> what that's really, really neat. I didn't realize that it comes so far. That's really good. Wow. You're the first person I've talked to. Who's actually used it. Brian. So you spent 800 bucks. And what did you get for the 800 bucks?
Caller 5 (01:48:25):
You get the, well, I mean, obviously now it's more expensive, but I mean, this was a couple years ago. I got the phone preloaded with
Leo Laporte (01:48:34):
The, so it's a de so you use a dedicated phone to do it. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah.
Caller 5 (01:48:39):
Yeah. It's got a, it's got a 3d printed case on it that helps it Mount to the windshield.
Leo Laporte (01:48:47):
Do you get automatic updates even though you got it early? In other words, are you up to version three?
Caller 5 (01:48:57):
No, I'm not. Okay. Okay. Because the phone that I, the, the version of the phone I got is pre pre you know, it's, I think that was an alpha build. Right. now they're kind of in the beta and eventually I think they're gonna hit the official version 1.0. And that, I guess that's supposed to do everything.
Leo Laporte (01:49:19):
Isn't that interesting? Oh yeah. I mean, I've kind of been reading about him and, and the, and the company, but wow. I didn't realize that, that it was that usable. I thought, oh, this is kind of a hacky thing to do, so you'll let it dry. Is it only freeways or is it, is it on city streets as well?
Caller 5 (01:49:40):
No, it's stop and go. I, I put it in my wife's Volkswagen Atlas when she had the Atlas and that had stop and go. Mike Chrysler 200 has some kind of funky steering thing where it shuts off at a low speed. Right. So I can't do stop and go in my car, but right. I mean, it is unbelievable at reading lane lines. I it'll never you know, throw me into the next lane or any of that. I mean, it's
Leo Laporte (01:50:07):
Completely trust if your car comes without the, which many cars now have adaptive cruise control and the lane centering. But if it didn't, you could use this and it, I, it watches your face too. Right. It's keeping an eye on whether, cuz you don't have to keep your hands on the steering wheel.
Caller 5 (01:50:24):
No, but you do need adaptive cruise control and lane. I think lane
Leo Laporte (01:50:30):
Has to be built into the car. Yes I see. So this controls that, but you already have to have those features.
Caller 5 (01:50:40):
Yeah. This basically makes the steering full hands off.
Leo Laporte (01:50:43):
This, the thing that it's doing is the steering. Got it. Got it. Yeah. Wow. That's FA and it does automated lane changing. Wow. Yeah. They've come a long way. Yeah. Yeah. When he, when he did, he's a brilliant hacker. I mean, this guy's very impressive. And I've been watching the progress and thinking, well, this is nuts, but no, <laugh>, it's no it's working now. It's working as well as a Tesla does
Caller 5 (01:51:07):
Like a, I was gonna buy a GM with super crews, but everybody wants a monthly fee and this like, I've gotta
Leo Laporte (01:51:14):
Forever. I'm still waiting for my blue crew on my mock. I don't think I wanna hack my car, but I think, but that's very cool. Very I'm I'm see. The first one I've talked to has actually used it, Brian. I appreciate it.
Caller 5 (01:51:27):
You're welcome. Thank you.
Leo Laporte (01:51:28):
Hey, have a good one. Take care. Fascinating. I've never, I've never met. Anybody uses. Very cool. I've to ask Sam about that to tomorrow comma AI, the California was pissed. I said you can't, you can't be <laugh> you can't be doing that with that license. Okay. Do you wanna do a UserWay? Oh yeah. <Laugh> yeah. Confirming
Mikah Sargent (01:51:58):
System 76 laptop, right? Somebody who's
Leo Laporte (01:52:01):
Asking in the chat. That's what this is, but it's getting replaced by a Dell framework's at home. Got it. Oh, that's a good story. Framework has validated vindicated my belief in them. I can now upgrade it to 12th generation Intel. Nice. They actually they they're actually selling and shipping a motherboard upgrade. Sweet. And they, since they upgraded the, the, to make this less flexible, the top of the case, you can also buy that and replace the top of the CA that's right. I mean, I am blown away fully. Yeah. Upgradeable. That's awesome. Why, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here and Mikah Sargent, the tech guys were taking your calls and talking high tech, eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo's the phone number website tech guy labs.com tech guy labs.com. You know, our last call was talking about the apple car thing and how I said, well, it will never be the iPhone driving you.
Leo Laporte (01:52:56):
And you know, it probably will be something like the iPhone. Apple has plowed a lot of money into what they call project Titan, an apple car. And I'm skeptical. I just interviewed as you know, the author of after Steve, a new book about apple after Steve jobs passing and mostly about Tim cook and Johnny ive, their design, you know, their CEO and designer trip nickel. It was a great interview, but one of the things he found out was the whole apple car project. Wasn't from the top down, it wasn't something the executives thought up and said, go do it. Engineers came to Tim cook and said, look, Tesla's doing really interesting stuff. We're all gonna go to work for Tesla, unless you do a car. And they kind of, they basically blackmailed apple into a car project, which kind of makes sense, cuz it's a bit of a, a stretch mm-hmm <affirmative> for apple.
Leo Laporte (01:53:52):
It's a tough business. Although Tesla has proven and now a lot of other startups like lucid have proven man, maybe you don't have to be GM or Ford to make a, you know, a car and sell it successfully in the United States. In fact, Tesla's the most valuable car company in history. So, you know and doing very, very well all over the world. So maybe maybe apple will come up with some secret sauce. It's hard to imagine exactly what they would do, but the apparently they're spending billions of dollars every year. There's more than a thousand of engineers working on it. They, they, they took it to heart even though they were blackmailed into it. <Laugh> the other thing apple is now we think pretty clearly gonna announce if not in a month at the worldwide developers conference, which is coming up then in the fall is augmented reality or virtual reality headgear mm-hmm <affirmative> and the reason, you know, we think it's gonna actually happen this time, cuz they've been talking about it for years. Is mark Erman. The rumor guy at Bloomberg says that the board of directors was shown the device.
Mikah Sargent (01:54:56):
Yeah. Actually got to see a trial of it.
Leo Laporte (01:54:59):
And that's, you know, of course that's when the iPhone came out, same thing that, you know, you gotta show the board, Hey, here's what we're gonna announce. So that means they're fairly close. It was a work must have been a working prototype. So that'll be interesting. Although as far as we know, it's not gonna be anything better than say the Oculus quest,
Mikah Sargent (01:55:16):
Right. It's gonna be a mixed reality device. So it'll be a little bit better than the current Oculus quest, but the next one that Facebook, or excuse me, meta is working on is called the Cambria. And that is an AR VR style device, meaning that you can both use it in augmented reality where things are overlaid on your vision or virtual reality where you don't see anything out in the world, your reality is completely replaced. This first one is going to be this sort of mixed style headset. Whereas the one that's sometime this decade as they are now saying is the one that's full on augmented reality. Like Google just showed off at its event.
Leo Laporte (01:55:54):
It's interesting. When you see these big tech companies all kind of converging on a technology like augmented reality, you kind of say, well, there must be something to it. Yeah. But on the other hand, I think that's what they're saying. Well look how much go money Google's putting into this. We gotta do it. Well look, how much money me is putting in? You gotta do it. Well look how much money Apple's doing. So it may be self-fulfilling, you know, maybe one of those things where they all are kinda looking at each other and saying, we better do this. Cause I, as much as people seem to like VR, I don't see a huge demand for it. In fact, there were a number of companies that you would go in their storefront and you would do these VR games. They were actually really fun. We did one that was a star wars game. And you were given, you know, physical items you put on the goggles, the physical items, which were just cheap pieces of plastic, looked like, you know, real what do those storm troopers use? Those real
Mikah Sargent (01:56:47):
Blasters,
Leo Laporte (01:56:48):
Real blasters. And, and, and you would go into a place that had physical stuff. If you took off the glasses, it's just, you know, plastic furniture. But with the glasses on it all looked real and you'd bump into it. And so you'd really, and there was elevators and stuff. It felt very realistic. I thought this is amazing. This is so much fun. They just went bankrupt. So I, I, I'm not convinced there's a market. And
Mikah Sargent (01:57:10):
I, I think that's, especially because not since the first person invented the sailing ship, have we had a device that makes so many people sick? <Laugh> you know what I mean? Like seasickness. Yes. It's amazing that there as many ships as there are, because there's so many people who get sick from getting on a boat, I feel like the same applies. I, you know, the, the phone doesn't make that many people sick, these other devices don't but people put on a headset and there's like a huge swath of the community. That's just completely blocked
Leo Laporte (01:57:37):
Out people to do
Mikah Sargent (01:57:38):
This.
Leo Laporte (01:57:38):
Yeah. In fact, when I put on the headsets, I'm amazed. I'm, you know, if you, you know, one of the little demos years ago for the Oculus was you were standing in the edge of a skyscraper looking down and you, your heart started pounding. You started sweating, your palms are sweat. Cuz it, you feel like you could fall off. It's terrifying. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so it really does trick your mind and then you get
Mikah Sargent (01:57:58):
Sick. It just depends on how well it can trick your mind. And I have not, I can play the games where you don't move and everything else around you kind of does. Yeah. But any of the ones where you have to actually move your character forward, I don't know, 10 minutes and I'm done makes me, makes me ill.
Leo Laporte (01:58:15):
So we just have to see,
Mikah Sargent (01:58:16):
I think that's where augmented reality can be that thing.
Leo Laporte (01:58:19):
Cause then you're seeing the real, the real word.
Mikah Sargent (01:58:21):
Yes. And I think that you're less likely to get sick. And I think that that's why that's the bigger bet for apple and others. And also anytime you have to tell someone, it goes against our, our baser nature to close off what's around us, just due to, you know, our need to sort of be aware of what's going on. It's a little scary for some people I think, to sort of close off from that
Leo Laporte (01:58:42):
The VR storefront thing we did was called the void, ah, the void, the void. And we did it down in Santa, I think Santa Monica. And you might say, well, I was a pandemic that killed them and sure. It did put the final nail in the coffin, but they were struggling even long before the pandemic. And in fact I don't think any well there's amusement parks that have some VR games and VR rides. I don't know. I don't know. I
Mikah Sargent (01:59:13):
Can't imagine getting on a roller coaster and wearing a VR headset. I would be well,
Leo Laporte (01:59:17):
That's the thing you aren't on a roller coaster, but you think you are, ah, I see you're in a, a little cart and it's on a robotic arm and it tosses you around.
Mikah Sargent (01:59:27):
Oh, I have done one of those.
Leo Laporte (01:59:28):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also make you sick, but that's <laugh>, I, I, you know, anyway, it's always interesting because you, if you're apple and 52% of your income according to the last quarter comes from one product, the iPhone, you, you, there's a lot of pressure on you from the shareholders, from the board and just internally to come up with the next big thing. Yeah. The problem is there has never been a consumer product as successful as the iPhone. Right? Nothing even close. So you're never gonna come up with another iPhone unless you're extraordinarily lucky or brilliant. And as lucky and brilliant as apple has been, I don't see another iPhone in their future. Yes. But you can see why they're making these big bets. This is a car. It could be. If you could make a car that look, look at Tesla, if you could make a car that everybody wanted mm-hmm <affirmative> oh, I gotta get that apple car.
Leo Laporte (02:00:24):
If you could make a VR headset that didn't make people nauseous you could, I, you know, I could see and people are saying, it's not just the future of play. It's the future of work. Right. It's everything. So, you know, they're looking for that. They're also looking and there's one other initiative Apple's working hard on and that's the health initiative. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And for years and trip talks about this a little bit for years, they've been, they bought a company that said, we can tell what your blood sugar is with a wristwatch. It didn't work for years. They've been trying to figure that out. Cuz there are 14 million diabetics in the us. And if you could come up with a, they
Mikah Sargent (02:00:59):
Crack that code,
Leo Laporte (02:01:00):
Oh, you don't have to prick your finger. You just put on a wristwatch and it tells you where their blood sugar is huge. Huge. So that's another area Apple's working really hard on. And I guess they're just saying well before, I mean there's no sign of the iPhone slowing down. Right. But I think they'd like to have another, you know, a follow up we'll see cars, health or augmented reality. Eighty eight, eighty eight, ask Leo, that's the phone number you wanna talk to? Mica and me? 8, 8, 8, 8 2 7 5 5, 3, 6. Tollfree from anywhere in the us or Canada, we can talk about this or anything on your mind. The website is tech guy labs.com more to come.
Leo Laporte (02:01:52):
What are you doing the rest of the weekend? Did you go, you're going down to see American graffiti days downtown watch a bunch of old cars drive around. Oh no. Oh maybe actually I should talk to about, does he like this, that kinda thing cars. So we went last night to the trader Joe's parking lot. All old cars are there, man, that smell of gasoline in the air. <Laugh> and and it's funny cuz they're playing oldies. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you know Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob Ram. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and I'm thinking, you know, every year these oldies get older, these are like 60 year old songs now. Holy moly. <Laugh> when I was 20 is a 20, a 60 year old song would be a newie from the, from like when I don't know what it would be from 1916 <laugh> it would be, well, the Titanic went down and they, I mean, I don't know what it would be.
Leo Laporte (02:02:50):
There weren't any recordings back then. So SIGA, what? You know what, what oldies are really old now Uhhuh. The old oldies they're like Beethoven. Wow. Yeah. I never thought about that. Yeah. What I could, I mean, I consider those, the oldies Bob land and all those. Yeah. So yeah. What does my youngest brother consider the oldies? BA BA BA BA BA boo boo blue moon. That's what I was hearing when they, when I was walking up. Oh, cruising the Boulevard, Petaluma salute to American graffiti and annual celebration of American graffiti, which was partially shy here. Oh, so we're sitting in the parking lot, target parking lot. They're at a table. Mackenzie Phillips and candy Clark. Two of the stars of the American graffiti movie. That was pretty cool. That's neat. That's neat. I went over at GED. I didn't ask for an autograph. Lisa said let's get a picture in.
Leo Laporte (02:03:43):
Yeah, no. When is it that they do the reenactment thing or that've been done? So they used to do at two in the morning. They might have already done it. I don't know if they're gonna do it this year, but one of the scenes in American graffiti in the middle of that, remember it's a, it's the night. They all graduated from high school and they're all gonna go other different ways. Did you ever see the movie? 1962? Oh, it's a great movie. You should see it. But one of the things Ron Howard and the boys, they sneak up behind the squad car and they put a hook on its back axle and then they run around in front and make go and they car kind of speeds off. And then the a pulls their wheels off. And so they, they reenact that cuz it was shot downtown in Petaluma. Right next to McNair's there's an empty lot there. It was shot there. So every year at 2:00 AM, they didn't do it in COVID but it might have done it this year. They put it there's an old, they have the old squad car mm-hmm <affirmative> and they reenact that scene even have the old car and they do it in the middle of the night.
Mikah Sargent (02:04:39):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (02:04:41):
So I don't know if they did that this year, but they have been. So yeah, tonight today's the day, I guess, for a cruise in the Boulevard. Let's see. Is it the car show? Is that what's going on? Twisting May 19th through 21st remember flat tops. You remember that? Dancing? The bop Friday night sock hops. Aw. How old do these people have to be?
Mikah Sargent (02:05:04):
<Laugh> can they do sock
Leo Laporte (02:05:06):
Hops, white box blue Sue shoes and Bobby socks. Wow. I mean we're talking, this is, this is like 70 years ago now. I think it's a strange kind of nostalgia, petty coats, pegging your jeans and root beer floats. Crusing the main drag and grabbing a Coke. Although what is
Mikah Sargent (02:05:26):
Pegging your jeans
Leo Laporte (02:05:27):
And you, you fold them up a little bit short enough. You probably do it and you just don't even know it. Cuz I think they're back. Pegged jeans are back.
Mikah Sargent (02:05:35):
Oh, I see. Interesting.
Leo Laporte (02:05:38):
But Lisa tells me that in even, you know, when she was a kid in the seventies, they were still cruising up and down the Boulevard.
Mikah Sargent (02:05:46):
This sounds like the start of a like judge Judy or something. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (02:05:54):
He says she owes her money for the paint job she did on the garage. She says he painted it purple. Who's right. Let's ask judge Micah Pump bill on the line. Dana point. Leo Laporte Mikah Sargent your tech guys for the day. Hello bill.
Caller 6 (02:06:16):
Hey Leo, how you doing
Leo Laporte (02:06:17):
Today? I am. Well, how are you?
Caller 6 (02:06:19):
Good. Hey, I'm doing a little project in my front yard and we doing some landscaping and putting in some chameleon lights by a company called brilliance and all these are wifi lights. So you got an app and you can change the colors and do whatever you kind of want with them. So Christmas time, whatever red,
Leo Laporte (02:06:39):
So cool.
Caller 6 (02:06:41):
But going out, I don't have wifi that goes out that far. Right. So when I've seen these extenders that you plug in, but all the reviews are not good. So I better off just kinda getting the Cox sky out here and extending a hard,
Leo Laporte (02:06:58):
Well, let me, let me ask you. I also have a backyard lighting that is wifi, but the only thing that needs to be wifi is the base station. Does each light bulb need to be on wifi?
Caller 6 (02:07:12):
Yeah. Each one could be program service.
Leo Laporte (02:07:14):
Cause they're all individual. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the system I had, I just had to make sure the base station was, I, it ended up putting a base station in the garage, which was on the other side of the wall from where the, the lucid lights controller was. So that was an easy problem. But now yeah, you've got all those lights need to be on wifi. Now the good news is they're gonna be on 2.4 gigahertz, which you know, their wifi has two different frequencies, five gigahertz and 2.4 gigahertz and then multiple channels within those wavelengths 2.4 travels very well compared to 500 and should be able to go a hundred, 150 feet. So are the lights farther than a hundred feet away from the house?
Caller 6 (02:07:59):
Nah, probably about 50.
Leo Laporte (02:08:01):
Oh good. 50 feet. So yeah, you just then need, and are they roughly in the same area or is it, is it like a, is it all around the house?
Caller 6 (02:08:11):
Yeah, I'm kind of going Clark for his wall. So
Leo Laporte (02:08:14):
<Laugh> well remember what happened to Clark when he plugged it in. So yeah, so that, that's more challenging if it were all in the backyard, let's say then you just put a base unit or an extender near, you know, closest to that on the, on the other side of the wall. And that might be enough. The wall materials are also relevant if it's plaster LA and wood. No problem. If it's metal, if it's got mesh in the LA or the plaster of the dry wall, then it's, then that's gonna be a barrier. So cuz wifi can go through things like wood, but and drywall, but can't go through metal. So all of this is gonna go into play. You know, you, you probably, what you wanna look at is a mesh system. What, what, what are you using now? What router you using now?
Caller 6 (02:09:02):
That's over my pay grade. <Laugh> I just
Leo Laporte (02:09:05):
Know which are you using? The one that came from the company that gives you internet, your ISP?
Caller 6 (02:09:11):
Yeah, it's Cox and the router and everything's kind of in the back of our house was kinda, even when I step in my garage, it, the signal gets right.
Leo Laporte (02:09:20):
This is increasingly becoming an old fashioned way to do wifi. Even a small footprint say 1500 square feet. A single router is fine, but as soon as you go past that that router's really not gonna work. So we're seeing more and more systems from net gear and Cisco. And Euro is the big name. That's from Amazon that do these mesh systems. So what you'll have is the base station. And by the way, you can use this with your Cox system. You're just gonna replace the router that Cox gave you with this device. So it I'll give you example with an arrow. So you buy the arrow base station. You put that where the Cox device is right now. So you'll have a cable modem, but you don't need their router. Often they provide you with one device, that's both a cable modem and a router.
Leo Laporte (02:10:11):
So you'll need to disab either disable that router or talk to Cox and say, I just want a cable modem. Or in the case of most cable companies, Cox included, you can buy your own cable modem for about a hundred bucks. It's gonna be better than what they offer. And then you don't have to pay rent anymore. So you get a cable modem. That's what takes the coaxial cable coming into the wall and turns it into internet. And then you attach that cable modem to the base station, the Aero base station, and then you get what they call beacons. And you can get as many beacons as you want <laugh> and put them what you're gonna try to do is put them in near a window, cuz then it's just glass closest to where your brilliance lights will be. You may need several of these. The cost does go up. They're about a hundred bucks a beacon. So you're gonna end up for a base station. Plus two beacons, you know, it starts around $400 and then it goes up from there, but you'll certainly be able to get coverage as long as they're not more than 50 feet away from the house and you can get to a window or somewhere where the wifi can go through the wall.
Caller 6 (02:11:15):
Yeah. That's what I'm reading about. The mesh and all that stuff. I said, I just learned
Leo Laporte (02:11:19):
Everybody's using mesh now. Well
Caller 6 (02:11:23):
Guy that does it for a living and have him come out and do it right the
Leo Laporte (02:11:26):
Time. So what he'll do yeah. And what he'll do, and you could do this, but you know, this is what he does is he'll do an assay of the, of the property. He'll go with a, a meter and see, you know, where the farthest light is and see what he needs. And yeah, he'll put in something, it may cost a lot of money, but it'll work. But I bet you, those brilliance lights cost a lot of money too. How many lights are you putting in?
Caller 6 (02:11:50):
16. So
Leo Laporte (02:11:51):
Yeah. Yeah, those add up.
Caller 6 (02:11:54):
So, so transforming everything else. It's not that, but what the heck?
Leo Laporte (02:11:58):
Oh, it's gonna be beautiful. Yeah, that'll be really cool. Are you kidding me? I love our lights because the backyard is subtly lit after the sun goes down and it really looks, it really adds to, I think the presence now we don't have that fancy colored light thing, but you're gonna have all sorts of fun SUNY. Well soon not. Yes. SUNY Wells a matter of time.
Caller 6 (02:12:16):
<Laugh> well, the beauty is too. They got the lights that can go into just a, basically one 10 that could connect too. So yeah, I leave my I on the whole time, put them in the app. Now my lights that I had to physically turn on and off, I leave them on. Now they can get be controlled by the app too. So now I can set those on a timer as well. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:12:36):
That's nice. Sounds like a great system. You should also call Cox and say, look, I need a mesh system. What are you gonna do? Because a lot of companies, Cox has a mesh system. They call I think panoramic, wifi pods. I've never heard of these Comcast bought a company. They, they make pods. So yeah, it looks like they call 'em wifi extenders. Now a wifi extender is not mesh. The thing to know about mesh is it doesn't slow your network down an extender does now they call 'em extenders, but it looks like these pods. Yeah, they, these are the same pods that Comcast uses. So these are, this is actually a pretty good system. You just need a lot of them. You need a lot of them. So don't get a wifi extender, get a mesh system and Cox will offer them.
Leo Laporte (02:13:26):
That's the other way you could, you could go is get Cox to do it. These little pods plug into the wall. They might even have outdoor ones that would work. So you could plug 'em in wherever you've got an outside outlet that would probably work better. And the kind of the model that they use to describe these is think of you. Wouldn't try to read a book from the lamp. You wouldn't try to read a book in a living room from a lamp in the bedroom, right? So these pods are like lamps. They're pools of wifi. So you're gonna put them everywhere. You want wifi, which means you tend to put more in they're not as powerful. They use these so-called panoramic wifi pods. It works, but I would probably do a better job. It just depends on yeah. Who you're gonna get to do it. If you got a guy he'll make a recommendation. We ended up putting in our house. We ended up putting ubiquity wifi. We have six, six of them, but it works so well. Leo Laporte Mike, a Sergeant coming up more calls
Leo Laporte (02:14:34):
Neck year. Orbis are great. Love the Orbi. We replace the Orbis with the ubiquitous. Yeah, there are lots of, there are lots of ways to do it. I, you know, Cox has something so you could ask them if specs. Yeah. It's AC 3000 gigabit. That's good. You know, if you, if you like Cox, these will work with their existing router. This might be the simplest. You plug these into the wall. These will look a lot like the pods that Comcast offers, but maybe they're just cosmetically similar. How are panoramic wifi pods different from wifi extenders? Yeah, these are, these are, these are mesh. So that's what you want. Listeners of this program. Get an ad free version. If they're members of club TWiT $7 a month gives you ad free versions of all of our shows plus membership in the club, TWiT discord, a great clubhouse for TWiT listeners. And finally the TWiT plus feed with shows like Stacy's book club, the untitled Lenox show, the gizz fizz and more go to twit.tv/club TWiT. And thanks for your support, Doing the best we can Mikah Sargent Leo Laporteaport, your two tech guys. Now taking your calls at 88, 88, ask Leo and Micah and Micah. You can type in and it will still go. You can dial all those numbers. We tested it. If you really want to <laugh> I think, you know, it'd be nice if they did just, you know, out of respect for you. Yeah. 88, 88 ask Leo and Micah. Chris is on the line. Oh, it's coffee guy, Chris from Miami. Hello Chris.
Caller 7 (02:16:20):
Well, I am back again with five cups, easy and
Leo Laporte (02:16:24):
I forgot to tell you to, to back off the speakers. Yeah. Let me just, oh, you gotta sit back off. No, not you. We, we have to. Yeah. Oh, so I, so do you drink your coffee? We, oh yeah. Are you drinking Gus? This black or cream and mushroom?
Caller 7 (02:16:41):
Yeah. No, no, I don't. I don't get in there and start putting also if I want that I'll hit up the Starbucks. I drink my coffee black straight up.
Leo Laporte (02:16:48):
He's the real, but wait a minute. What's in your coffee. Is it just coffee?
Caller 7 (02:16:53):
Well, the coffee that I I'm. Okay, so I'm gonna get this real quick here because I know that people do ask me this question. So I have with me now, the SI S I SEL cafe premium. Now what we got in here is I order this it's ground already. It's the Panama Bette. That's B O Q U E T E. Geisha, ground coffee. Ultrarich black ground coffee with extracts of chaga, Goda Cola Bacopa and Guder are
Mikah Sargent (02:17:23):
You casting a
Leo Laporte (02:17:24):
Spell right now? Those are mushrooms, right? This is a potion OPA.
Caller 7 (02:17:28):
Well, if you, if you go to S I S e.net, it's right in there.
Leo Laporte (02:17:34):
I'm seeing it's all in
Caller 7 (02:17:34):
There. That's my company website,
Mikah Sargent (02:17:37):
The state of California requires the following statement. This product can expose you to Aramide, which is known in the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects.
Leo Laporte (02:17:45):
Cause that's the one with collagen in it. Don't don't drink the collagen.
Caller 7 (02:17:50):
Here's the deal. What he's talking about is true. If you are drinking roasted coffee, this is infrared roasted. There's a
Leo Laporte (02:17:58):
Oh, mass
Caller 7 (02:18:00):
Roast. 20% of yeah. Under 20% of coffee companies in the United States, no one does their coffee and buys their coffee like this, but there's only under 20% of coffee companies in the United States that actually infrared with the infrared technology roast the coffee being versus flame roasting your coffee means there is a massive it's night and day.
Mikah Sargent (02:18:23):
Wow. I need to try,
Leo Laporte (02:18:24):
I was gonna buy a home coffee roaster. So now I have to, I have to think twice about this. All right. Oh man. Okay. Now
Caller 7 (02:18:33):
Something else I wanna throw on the table for Micah, because I am
Leo Laporte (02:18:38):
Actually the table's not for Micah it's wood, but okay, go ahead.
Caller 7 (02:18:41):
<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (02:18:42):
Wood's good. Good's good. That's wrong
Caller 7 (02:18:43):
With wood. Yeah, but is that by nature? I am not gluten free. However, I buy my bread and other things like cereals and stuff from this company called the oven door. It is a Canadian based company. And there's also a thing with gluten that you gotta be careful that you don't involve yourself with gluten contaminants. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, that's a biggie. Like if you have, if you have one company growing you know, like say kale, which is conventional next to organic, you could get the contaminants rolling over to the organic side. So just because it says organic doesn't
Leo Laporte (02:19:24):
Really, when did I lose control of the show? Exactly. <laugh> somebody, did somebody make a note of that? I just curious that you will <laugh> I people already what? This is what happens when you drink a lot of coffee. Yeah. Your enthusiasm level goes up and
Mikah Sargent (02:19:44):
You also just sort of you're drinking have 10 thoughts at once. Coffee. Yeah. Infrared,
Leo Laporte (02:19:49):
Infrared roast, but it's heat is heat, right. But you're saying the flame heat is too hot.
Caller 7 (02:19:55):
Yeah. Go to the website@sisel.net and read about what they do and how they, where they get their coffee and how they do the coffee.
Leo Laporte (02:20:05):
Mic's a coffee snob. Micah, Micah really is a coffee snob. Yeah.
Caller 7 (02:20:10):
She will
Mikah Sargent (02:20:10):
Lower
Caller 7 (02:20:11):
Asset. I'm gonna make this SI sel.net system, which is actually an acronym that actually stands for something. But I don't, I want Leo to do the talking. It's not my radio. Well,
Leo Laporte (02:20:20):
I know I'm just here to say, what can we do to help
Mikah Sargent (02:20:23):
Them? Yeah, what's up?
Caller 7 (02:20:24):
Okay. So Mac computers, I'm thinking I was gonna send you an email, but since it's a little bit too complicated, I was thinking about going with a regular iMac computer versus the Mac studio. I don't know if I need to be dropping three to $5,000.
Leo Laporte (02:20:44):
That's a really system. Yeah. That's a great question. If you were gonna buy a Mac today, though, first thing I'd say is absolutely wait until WWDC because you're less than two weeks. You're three weeks away from it. So apple will almost certainly announce some new hardware this year at WWDC. So your, the keynote is Monday, June 6th. So Monday by noon, you should know whether you need a new com you know, which computer to get. They probably will announce you. Do you want a desktop? Is that you don't want a laptop?
Caller 7 (02:21:20):
I, I, I, I like to flow along the same lines that you do that I like the idea of the desktop. I miss having a monitor and a, like a Mac studio. I like the idea of separating church and state, but it's really become cost prohibited for me to go in that direction.
Leo Laporte (02:21:37):
Yeah. You know, I have laptops and desktops and yeah. But if you just want one computer, you know one thing you could do is get a laptop and a big screen. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> keyboard and mouse. One of the nice things about max is that they work in clamshell mode. I
Mikah Sargent (02:21:53):
Thought I rocked for the longest time. Was this MacBook pro right here, just connected to two external displays with a, a dock.
Leo Laporte (02:22:01):
You don't even have to keep it open.
Mikah Sargent (02:22:03):
Yeah. It stayed closed. And the two external displays were my displays.
Leo Laporte (02:22:06):
So you wouldn't
Caller 7 (02:22:07):
For a long time. Yeah, we did that. All right.
Leo Laporte (02:22:09):
Well, you're aware of that.
Caller 7 (02:22:10):
And then we went back to when iMac again. So we're back. We like that little bit of a larger, a larger footprint. 23 inches sounds like a big deal, but I'd have to like draw 3000 because I'd wanna deck it out for the next three years. Yeah. I don't wanna keep updating apple. Doesn't you know, this is wonderful to get all these great. I mean, in fact, I was in apple last night. I brought my iPhone in, I got the 12 pro somehow between iOS 15.4 0.1 and 15.5, it broke my speaker. So this is where having apple care comes in to the people that are listening, because it will cost me normally would cost me $388. That's all covered under apple care. No one knows how it happened, but my iPhone is back to being brand new. So I like the toys, but if you don't have apple care insurance, it's almost $400 for a speaker, which is 60 plus almost 300 for the panel for the glass. So it's something for people to seriously consider you.
Leo Laporte (02:23:04):
Well, you've heard me and you've heard me talk about this idea that the problem I have with the IMAX is you've you, you make the investment in both a monitor and a computer which cannot be separated. So you're, you're kind of deciding all at once what monitor, and if down the road, you want a different kind of monitor, a bigger monitor. You, you really, you could, but you've kind of wasted money on a monitor that's too small, or you don't want, I like separating them, but don't think you have to go with the Mac studio. The Mac studio is a higher end Mac design to use a monitor and kind of look like a high end iMac. But I'm using right now a Mac mini the, the first M one Mac mini with a big screen. And it's a great combination. And honestly, for the stuff, most of the stuff I do, I see no appreciable speed difference between this, the Mac studio ultra you know, it's, it's plenty, fast for browsing for selling coffee, for email, for the kinds of things you probably do now, even for photography, I think it's more than fast enough.
Leo Laporte (02:24:09):
If you were gonna be doing a lot of eight K video editing, then you'd want a Mac student mm-hmm <affirmative>, but it's most people you're not doing video editing. You know,
Caller 7 (02:24:17):
I'm not sure did photo editing yet, but not video
Leo Laporte (02:24:20):
Editing. I think it's even fine for photo editing. I think the M one is such a nice chip. You don't really, so look instead of a studio, really think of the choice being between an M one Mac mini and the Mac iMac. Those are same generations. Same speed. Now, one thing I would say is they may well announce a new Mac mini on the sixth. Yep. So really the real, yeah. Real rule is exercise, whatever patient you can in three weeks, call me in three weeks and will know a lot better. What's out there. But I think any M one is really, I agree. Yeah. I agree.
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<Laugh>
Leo Laporte (02:25:05):
I can't believe that made you laugh. That's such an old joke. So, so so do you think the mushrooms are important to the overall coffee experience, Chris?
Caller 7 (02:25:17):
Well, I'm not the one that makes the coffee, but the, I, you know, if you wanna learn about it, I can tell you about it all day, but go to S I S E L, which is the name of the company.
Leo Laporte (02:25:27):
All right. How much stock do you own in this company?
Caller 7 (02:25:29):
It's not about stock, I'm a business owner. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a,
Leo Laporte (02:25:32):
You know, you don't own the company, but you you're a franchisee of it, right?
Caller 7 (02:25:36):
Yeah. I, I really am, but you know what? They really have the world's best tasting and healthy as coffee. And you need to read about it and learn about it because it's really in there. I wasn't raised a coffee drinker. I was raised a tea drinker because most
Leo Laporte (02:25:49):
Of I do like tea, the grocery
Caller 7 (02:25:50):
Store.
Leo Laporte (02:25:51):
I do like tea.
Caller 7 (02:25:52):
We also have the, the, the green tea that, that this company carries really is the best I've ever had. And, and I don't do sales. So if, if this coffee comes ground for a purpose, cuz there's a proprietary process that they put the coffee through and it's really that good. I, I, I don't like flame roasted coffee. I won't touch it because to me, no matter what you do with it, it's just tasteless and you have to add cream or sugar to it, just to compensate the lack of the fact that like, like I said earlier, they will put this warning that at the more, you know, roasted coffee can cause the growth of acry mites in your system. That's real. That's not fake. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> this coffee doesn't do that. And when you learn about the sizzle cafe coffee, you learn about the world's best tasting and healthy school cup for an absolute purpose. Whether you want it or you don't want it, whether you drink coffee, you don't drink coffee. It's just as a product. As a coffee from Panama, it is the number one coffee being the most expensive coffee being in the world. That's just the truth.
Leo Laporte (02:26:52):
You know, I've never had any cuz you've never sent me any.
Caller 7 (02:26:56):
It's coming your way. I've got three people out there from apple to you that want coffee. So I'm working on budget, I'm working on money. I'm looking on sending some copy to your, directly, to your studio for you and Lisa. I haven't forgotten.
Leo Laporte (02:27:07):
Thank you, Chris. I, I always appreciate your calls. You're always a lot of fun and I know you, we make fun of your brash energy, but, but we enjoy it. It's always good. Yeah. It's always good revamps.
Caller 7 (02:27:19):
I get this everywhere because people don't have energy. They don't have a personality. They're basically just, I don't know. I don't really think about it, but
Leo Laporte (02:27:25):
Where were you born, Chris? You're not from Florida.
Caller 7 (02:27:28):
I'm originally. I was originally born in Syracuse, New York. I moved to Massachusetts for a number of years. And then from there I moved to California, which I think was the best time I ever had. I lived in California up and down the state. Well, except for Los Angeles, which is basically ground zero up and down the state until about 1986. And then I moved back to Boston and I lived in Boston for a number of years. And then in August of oh four, I moved to Miami and I've been here with my husband now for going well, August, 2004 until now, you know, may, is it
Leo Laporte (02:28:00):
The, is it the climate that you like there?
Caller 7 (02:28:03):
It, it, I just get tired, honestly get tired of the cold. I mean, you
Leo Laporte (02:28:07):
Know, me
Caller 7 (02:28:07):
Fingers and scarf,
Leo Laporte (02:28:08):
Me too
Caller 7 (02:28:10):
And snow and cleaning the car and cleaning the stuff. And
Leo Laporte (02:28:13):
I literally, I completely understand a long
Caller 7 (02:28:15):
Time. You know, I worked at the casinos in Connecticut and you know, but I, I miss California in California. It's a very different state now, but I do miss it, but I just cuz you lived, you were raise in Rhode Island. I lived. Yeah. Yeah. You know west Warwick.
Leo Laporte (02:28:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Caller 7 (02:28:30):
I know Rhode Island very, very well, but I was glad to get the heck out of there because I was just tired of, you know, my friend just got 13 inches of snow in Colorado. I'm like, I'm going to the beach, you know, leave me alone. You know, <laugh> so having a personality is nice. It's just something that it has nothing to do with the coffee. It's just, that's just, my nature is to be abundant personality. Every day is a chance for you to make an impact and help people with, with things in their life. And so I just like to have a good personality.
Leo Laporte (02:29:00):
Bless you, Chris. Gotta gotta run for the Dickie. You're gone. See ya. Bye. Bye. <Laugh>.
Dick DeBartolo (02:29:08):
I know it, but I don't know the name of it.
Leo Laporte (02:29:10):
Do you know it? Dick
Dick DeBartolo (02:29:12):
Greatest answer.
Leo Laporte (02:29:15):
Yeah. I think you're right.
Dick DeBartolo (02:29:16):
Getting jiggy
Leo Laporte (02:29:17):
With it. They all sound the same. To be honest.
Dick DeBartolo (02:29:20):
<Laugh> isn't that the remix?
Leo Laporte (02:29:24):
Yes. I want to know who is the greatest dancer. Yeah, there you go. Well done Dick D Bartolo. This is why we call him our disco. Dick <laugh>. He is the GIZ Wiz our gizmo wizard, mad mag. He's got many names, many titles, mad magazine's maddest writer. Somebody gave me the highest praise earlier on the show said I reminded them of gene Rayburn.
Dick DeBartolo (02:29:50):
Oh, that's very good.
Leo Laporte (02:29:51):
And, and I, I that's, I modeled myself on gene Rayburn. I mean he was relaxed. You know what?
Dick DeBartolo (02:29:56):
You, you got a brownie point, you got a brownie point for me about a minute and a half ago when the guy on the phone said, and this is for mic and you said, no, the desk is not for Mike. I thought that's that's
Leo Laporte (02:30:09):
I'm learning from the master. He is the
Dick DeBartolo (02:30:12):
He's quick with the
Leo Laporte (02:30:12):
Yeah. You know, and, and I don't, I hope you don't mind me saying this Dick, but Dick was dyslexic as a youth and I honestly am I wrong?
Leo Laporte (02:30:23):
Yeah, no, no. And I honestly think that your sense of humor comes from the fact you see things kind of inverted.
Dick DeBartolo (02:30:31):
Interesting.
Leo Laporte (02:30:32):
And I honest and I, but the reason I mention this is there's a whole movement now to celebrate neurodiversity. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, you know, instead of saying, well, that's a disability you're dyslexic. You can't read very well to say that's what makes people unique. We don't wanna all have the same kind of brain. Right. And I thank God that you were made in this way because it made you hysterically funny. I agree that. And the fact that you got beat up every day in school between the two. Yeah, exactly.
Dick DeBartolo (02:30:59):
Between the two, one of those things. Oh, I inherited Dick sex from my spouse dentist, because I that's the first time anybody's put that label on me, but that's
Leo Laporte (02:31:09):
Fine. Oh, you mean you weren't as a kid? They didn't know. They didn't know from dyslexia. They probably, how were you in school? Were you good in school? Not
Dick DeBartolo (02:31:16):
I was pretty
Leo Laporte (02:31:17):
Good in school. Oh, well, never mind. You know what? Forget I said all this I, so it was Dennis that said you're dyslexic. Not yeah, exactly. Nevermind. Forget. I said anything. Dr.
Dick DeBartolo (02:31:28):
Dennis, you're just,
Leo Laporte (02:31:29):
You have, you have a unique view of the world. Let's put it that way.
Dick DeBartolo (02:31:33):
Yeah. No, actually, which I love, I think that, I think when you make things a little cockeyed, it makes life easier.
Leo Laporte (02:31:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Dick DeBartolo (02:31:42):
Okay. Matter of fact, I wrote down you, that guy was talking about his his blend. Yeah. Mine is Sumatra,
Leo Laporte (02:31:50):
Sumatra,
Dick DeBartolo (02:31:50):
Touch of cream and mushroom
Leo Laporte (02:31:51):
Cream and mushroom little the Campbells or does it matter? No. Does it matter?
Dick DeBartolo (02:31:56):
Oh, it's gotta be Campbells. Campbells. Okay. Jelly belly for flavor.
Leo Laporte (02:31:59):
Love it. Which kind though? Hint,
Dick DeBartolo (02:32:01):
Hint, hint. A parsley.
Leo Laporte (02:32:02):
Hint. A parsley and
Dick DeBartolo (02:32:04):
Roasted at home. Yeah. With a hair dryer. Yeah. On low.
Leo Laporte (02:32:08):
Yeah. Very important on low, because flame roasted is no good, but a hair dryer on low.
Dick DeBartolo (02:32:14):
Yep. Chef chefs and then blended in a mix master <laugh>
Leo Laporte (02:32:20):
Do you ever boil water or anything like that? No. You just no. Drink it straight. So tell me my friend.
Dick DeBartolo (02:32:26):
Tell me. Okay, so this is gonna be, wait a second. First. Have to ask Micah mm-hmm <affirmative> is there a five below near you guys?
Leo Laporte (02:32:35):
Five below. Is that a store? What is
Dick DeBartolo (02:32:37):
That? Oh, oh, I guess not. Okay. There, there is none then. Okay. alright, so I'm gonna talk about
Leo Laporte (02:32:44):
A, is it a store? Tell us what it is. Yes. Yeah. Okay.
Dick DeBartolo (02:32:47):
It is a, it's a chain of stores. Yeah. Where everything is $5 for.
Leo Laporte (02:32:53):
Oh, well see, we have something even better here. We have the dollar store. Yeah. Yeah. Where everything's $2 or less.
Dick DeBartolo (02:33:01):
Yes. Yes. Well, five below also has now and above and
Leo Laporte (02:33:05):
Above. Yeah. Yeah. Inflation's killing everything. Yeah.
Dick DeBartolo (02:33:09):
I found this and I, I thought you guys had a story that I found the Titan green screen for chairs.
Leo Laporte (02:33:17):
Okay. Oh, I just ordered a green screen. You're gonna kill me. Oh, Leo.
Dick DeBartolo (02:33:21):
Oh, Leo. This green screen for the chair is with $10. However,
Leo Laporte (02:33:28):
$59. The one I ordered.
Dick DeBartolo (02:33:30):
Okay. Which however, I'll tell you. I got, I, I subscribed to a, an email, several emails that say what's being closed out. It says that five below is closing out the chair, the green screens for $5.
Leo Laporte (02:33:45):
$5.
Dick DeBartolo (02:33:46):
Yeah. Okay. Now the thing is reason I asked if he had a store, is that if you buy it over the internet, it's 7 95 to ship. Yeah. Yeah. But, but anything you buy it's 7 95 if you order one thing or 30. But it's really great fun.
Leo Laporte (02:34:04):
So here you are. You're gonna use this thing. Yeah. Oh, it's it's it comes like it's a spring loaded, right? Woo.
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:12):
It's a it's spring loaded. Woo.
Leo Laporte (02:34:14):
Oh
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:14):
My. And then,
Leo Laporte (02:34:16):
Oh, should have bought
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:17):
SAB saw to get this back into the package.
Leo Laporte (02:34:20):
I know. I know. They're
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:22):
It's
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:22):
Forever quads. Yeah.
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:24):
Yeah. And then it has three straps in the back with Velcro or hook. Do
Leo Laporte (02:34:29):
You attach em to you? Oh, you attach 'em to the chair.
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:31):
You attach it to the back of the chair. And <laugh> now this, I didn't know. While playing with the green screen, Skype has a way to put a background behind you, right. Without a green screen.
Leo Laporte (02:34:47):
Yeah. It'll but it's not as good cuz it goes through your
Dick DeBartolo (02:34:49):
No, it's not as good. Yeah. Because I tried that. Yeah. And if you move any, which way you become a mess. Right? Exactly. Which is green screen behind you, you can move around fairly well. Now I, I, I asked my co-host Chad to drop a background in, so he did that. But look
Leo Laporte (02:35:09):
At that. So there you are in the streets of New York in 1898.
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:13):
Yeah. The year I was born,
Leo Laporte (02:35:15):
I mean, it's incredible,
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:17):
Incredible
Leo Laporte (02:35:18):
Watch. You're actually, it's funny cuz you're riding backwards on a trolley car. So, but that really, it actually looked really good.
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:25):
Yeah. If you just wanna
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:28):
Screen.
Leo Laporte (02:35:28):
Yeah. I bought from El Gotto, I
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:30):
Thought so. I thought
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:31):
That's good. Oh my gosh. That's the king of green screen.
Leo Laporte (02:35:34):
Oh it is. Yeah. It's
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:35):
Really good. Oh yeah, because
Leo Laporte (02:35:36):
Dick is right now. He's out in central park in a tent, but it looks like He's in
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:41):
Disneyland. You know, when I do zoom meetings, people always say, is that a virtual background? <Laugh> I go?
Leo Laporte (02:35:51):
No, no, it's real.
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:52):
I
Leo Laporte (02:35:52):
Built this with my hands, with his brains and his hands. Now,
Dick DeBartolo (02:35:56):
Do you have the one that comes up out of the box and,
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:00):
And it rolls out
Leo Laporte (02:36:00):
Well hasn't come yet. But yeah,
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:03):
I've got that
Leo Laporte (02:36:03):
One. I thought it'd be kind of cool. Fantastic. I have a good looking office, but I just thought it'd be kind of cool to have to be in space or you know, rod BIS always
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:12):
Gato thing is really games or if you're
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:13):
Playing
Leo Laporte (02:36:14):
Great, we should explain what a green screen is. So, oh yeah.
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:17):
So it's a screen. That's green.
Leo Laporte (02:36:18):
It's it's perfectly green. Yeah.
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:21):
And it goes behind your wherever you happen to be sitting. And what happens is that you tell the computer, Hey, I want you to make a color that's in the video, disappear, make it, make it invisible. And so you can choose that green, which is different from our skin tones in most cases. And that way, that whole part disappears. That way you can layer things behind you. It's clever. And have you cut out?
Leo Laporte (02:36:43):
There's a guy on TikTok. I dunno if you've seen it. Who has a green screen that straps to his back.
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:50):
Oh funny.
Leo Laporte (02:36:51):
And he does his zoom meetings. Like he'll strap, he'll attach a camera to the handlebar of his bicycle and, and he, you don't know he is on a bicycle,
Dick DeBartolo (02:36:59):
But I could do I, but I could
Leo Laporte (02:37:00):
Do it with yeah, you could totally. And it looks like he's in his office, but he's jiggling. Oh,
Dick DeBartolo (02:37:06):
That's so funny. <Laugh> that's funny.
Mikah Sargent (02:37:09):
And, and Dick I've gotta thank you for last week's recommendation. The FOA launch.
Leo Laporte (02:37:13):
I oh he's oh, you have it already. Can I show this video you sent? I don't think
Dick DeBartolo (02:37:17):
So. No, my, yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:37:18):
Cause it's your, your little niece. My
Mikah Sargent (02:37:19):
Little niece. She, I, I bought it. I got it sent to her and she got the foam Milan and had so much fun. Howling laughter just absolutely loved it. There was foam all over the
Leo Laporte (02:37:31):
Porch. It was the cutest thing I've ever seen. Right. So cute was so cute. So let me tell you folks, if you wanna find out more about Dick's chair, green screen or Thelan by both together and then Merth and merriment will ensue. It's all@gwiz.biz. G I Z w I Z dot B Iz. That's also where you'll find GIW merchandise and the what the heck is it contest a chance to win an autograph copy of mad magazine by doing, identifying a close up picture of a gizmo. And of course sticks podcast, gwiz.tv GI have a one gizz <laugh> GI is have a wonderful week. Mr. GIZ. You too, buddy. I'll see you next. Thank you. See you next week, Dick. Thank you, Mikah Sargeant. Thank Mikah. Thanks to everybody who joined us. Leo Laporteaport, the tech guy have a great geek week.
Leo Laporte (02:38:25):
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