The Tech Guy Episode 1879 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:11):
Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my Tech Guy podcast. The show originally aired on the premier networks on Saturday, March 26th, 2022. It's me and Mikah Sargent for episode 1,879. Enjoy. Listeners of this program. Get an ad free version. If they're members of club TWiT $7 a month gives you ad free versions of all of our shows. Plus membership in the club. Twit discord, a great clubhouse for TWiT and finally the TWiT plus feed with shows like Stacy's book club, the untitled Lenox show, the GIZ fizz, and more go to twit.tv/club TWiT. And thanks for your support. Whoa. Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here. The tech guy time talk computers, the internet. Oh, look, who's over there. Tech guy two. Mikah Sargent. Hello Mikah. Hello, Leo. Mike is an expert in well we should say Mac iOS windows probably more than I am these days since you actually use it. Yes. I try to avoid it whenever possible,

Mikah Sargent (00:01:15):
Vs. Code on windows.

Leo Laporte (00:01:17):
And he is a master of Python. So ask your Python questions here. 88 88. I ask Leo, he and I both waiting Monday. Our new max studios will come.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:28):
We've laid out the red carpets. We've told all of our family and friends don't don't message us. We won't hear from us.

Leo Laporte (00:01:37):
I already set up one for Lisa. My wife has the, the ultra we're you and I are getting the max, which is more than enough for any human. In fact, I, again, I wanna say this again, if you're a Mac user and you're eyeballing the new max don't, don't hesitate to get any of the M one max, they're all the same. I'm trying to, I've been trying to explain this to Lisa. She says, but I want the fastest one. I said, well, you have the fastest one, but you'll never use is the fastest one because it's only the fastest one. If you're using those special programs for 3d design or video editing, she does some photography. She says, well, I, I, I use I photos apples, photos to edit. I said, yeah, you should, you don't everything. Most people do uses a single processor and the single processor performance of all the M one S is identical. Yep. More Ram is nice. And she has 64 gigs of Ram that would help probably

Mikah Sargent (00:02:37):
How much is the max that you, how much Ram and the max that you're getting?

Leo Laporte (00:02:40):
The, the one I'm getting is 32 gigs. You and I both have think got pretty similar. Yeah, maybe we boosted this storage storage.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:47):
Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:02:48):
I got a terabyte. I figured that'd be enough. Same the, I, in fact, to put my money where my mouth is, I, I have an old sitting right here in front of me at 2014 iMac. And you know how, you know, when you're, it's time to get a new Mac is when you can't put the new Mac OS on it, it won't upgrade to Monterey just like Lisa's at home. So that was a message. These are beautiful 5k machines. It kind of irks me, cuz there's nothing wrong with it. If I could put Monterey on it, it would be just as good as any other Mac, but it is eight years old. I I'm gonna replace it now. I could replace it with a Mac studio and be all fancy, but now I'm just gonna get the old Mac mini, I think I upgraded memory to 16 gigabytes.

Leo Laporte (00:03:30):
So it's, it's a little more than this. I think it was it 9 99, but which is a little annoying, still expensive. And I, I got a cheap monitor, Samsung Odyssey monitor, which is 300 bucks for 32 inch or 31 inch monitor. That's big. It's curved. I'm little disappointed. That's a little weird. Samsung must have had a bunch in the warehouse anyway. It's 4k. So that plus it's 12, 12, 12 99, the two together. And that's just, that's gonna be every bit as fast as the ultra at home for web browsing, for email for pretty much anything anybody does, including editing photos and eye photos. So I think this is there's a there's there is a, don't be, I guess the message is normal people. I am speaking to the people of the earth. Now speaking to you from Mount geek, normal people of earth, you do not need to spend a lot of money to get the fastest Mac because yes, it's the fastest, but only faster if you're doing certain specialized things.

Leo Laporte (00:04:37):
In fact, we had fun. This week I, I took the Mac ultra, this Mac studio ultra that my wife got and I ran something called photogrammetry on it, a program from AGI soft, which is from saints, Petersburg, Russia called I didn't buy it. I just used the demo version. So they got no money from me. They make a program called meta shape, which will take photos of a space. I could take. For instance, a bunch of photos of every corner of this studio takes the photos, mushes 'em together, matches points all the way around. Kind of like, you know, you might do. If you're stacking photos for HDR or something matches all the points and then turns into the 3d model that you can rotate. You can make a mess, you could do a 3d print out of it. It's kind of cool. It's called photogrammetry and it's pretty intensive. I'll give you an example. Our friend, Alex Lindsey who gave me the project said when he ran it on his 16 inch MacBook pro with the Intel I nine MacBook pro it ran for three days and then crashed.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:42):
So it didn't finish at all. You went

Leo Laporte (00:05:43):
And died. So I ran it on Lisa's ultra and it took about 20 hours. Okay. Which is a long time. Yes. It's both CPU and GPU. I don't think it took advantage of the Ultra's GPU. And this is a little bit of a weak spot from me, the GPU, the graphics process or the thing that you really use for a lot of these things like 3d and photogrammetry. Isn't super good. Super good is a technical term. And 

Mikah Sargent (00:06:12):
It's because of the integrations, right? It's

Leo Laporte (00:06:13):
Not super good. Well,

Mikah Sargent (00:06:14):
It's just

Leo Laporte (00:06:15):
Don't yeah, it doesn't do Kuda cores and all the things that Invidia's graphics card. So I thought, well, I'll run the same thing in the same software on my PC, which is running an AMD rise, 7 5800 and an Invidia GTX 30, 80 video card.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:32):
Are those the ones that are hard to get. And they were once. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:06:35):
I mean, they, they're not the latest anymore. They're it's a year old now, but

Mikah Sargent (00:06:38):
Big context cuz I wasn't sure which

Leo Laporte (00:06:40):
Ones those. Yeah. It ran about six hours. It ran about a third of the time. Wow. So people who are going well,

Leo Laporte (00:06:47):
I have a Mac studio ultra, I must have a fastest computer in the world.

Leo Laporte (00:06:53):
Not

Mikah Sargent (00:06:53):
True. Right?

Leo Laporte (00:06:55):
Not true. Now of course there's other factors in the software probably didn't take advantage of the special stuff that Apple's doing and so forth. But that's the, the point being, even if you're doing high end stuff, it may not be the fastest out there. So as much as I love what Apple's doing with apple, Silicon, I think it's important to know you can't overspend. You don't need to buy all the fan. I, you may not need all the fancy, so that's, I'm just, I'm just telling everybody chill, man. Speaking to the people of the normal people of earth it's okay. You don't have that. The latest and greatest and all that stuff. Let's see. Did anything happen this week in the world of tech? I'm a little, I have a mixed feelings about this. The Russian antivirus firm you've probably heard people talk about for years Kaspersky.

Leo Laporte (00:07:46):
It is Russian and there's always this been this cloud about it, but Eugene Kaspersky, the ti founder so loved in the Western tech community. He goes to conferences. People know him, they love him. He buys a, a beer, I guess. I don't know that a lot of tech people have been very reluctant to say anything bad about Kaspersky. Well it's the us has placed Kaspersky lab on a list of companies deemed a threat to national security. It's the first time a Russian company's been added to this list, which is mostly Chinese telecom firms like Huawei. So I don't, you know, I don't know one way or the other, but I guess I could say you probably shouldn't use Kaspersky. Eugene is gonna be mad. Yes. He's not gonna buy him a beer next time. But boy. Yeah. That's one more thing.

Leo Laporte (00:08:38):
One more thing to watch out for. Apple's gonna have an interesting problem in the EU. They have started to agree on a law that would force and it's not just apple, I guess it would be Google too. Their Android store to force apple to allow alternative app stores, side loading. But this is the big one for apple allow its messages, iMessages to work with WhatsApp and every other messaging interoperability is the word. So if you were using WhatsApp or Facebook messenger you should be able to send and receive messages from iMessage. They should, they should send files, make video call alls across messaging apps, according to the EU. Now it's provisional. It will have to be approved. And I think even the individual nations have to approve it, but you will. This is a big bunch of changes that apple has fought tooth and nail. I think it's good for consumers. I really do. There are those who disagree with me, but they don't have a radio show. So

Mikah Sargent (00:09:38):
They do not. This is true. I do wonder if they know if they, if the EU has in mind what this actually looks like in practice, what does it mean for these to be interoperable? Exactly. Does that mean that iMessage emoji have to be able to appear and will WhatsApp? What does it mean in terms of the actual final product?

Leo Laporte (00:09:59):
Yeah, that's actually an interesting question. That's one of the problems you have when government makes laws for tech companies is they don't know the tech, so they can't really specify it. The tech companies can sometimes in truth, say you can't do that. So it'll be interesting to see ensure the interoperability of instant messaging services, basic functionalities allow. This is the big one for me, allow app developers, fair access to the supplementary functionalities of the smartphones. I wonder if it means apple should and must allow something like what's app to be the default messaging app, which would be fantastic

Mikah Sargent (00:10:36):
On Andrew. Yeah. You

Leo Laporte (00:10:37):
Could do that on Android. 

Mikah Sargent (00:10:39):
I'd like that I truly would.

Leo Laporte (00:10:41):
There's also privacy protections. It, it limits what they can do to pre-install certain applications, you know, as you get an iPhone, when you get it, it's, it's, pre-install with a, you know, I don't know several dozen applications, right? Mostly apples. And it, and, and, and also from Apple's point of view, this is a bad thing. They cannot require you to use the app store to buy things. Apple does not like, but apple might have to give in, we'll see the European union fine for this is, this is called the digital markets act. And it's only for opposed, again, it has to be approved, but the fine for it is significant like a quarter of your revenue.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:27):
That's a lot more than the fines that've been getting in. 

Leo Laporte (00:11:30):
I'm sorry. 10% of your total global turnover, which is your global revenue. That's a huge, fine

Mikah Sargent (00:11:36):
Those Dutch fines that apples been getting. No problem. Do

Leo Laporte (00:11:39):
It again. 20% of your global turnover. So watch with interest as the steam starts to come outta Tim co years, Eighty eight, eighty eight, ask Leo the phone number (888) 827-5536, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. You call me from the EU, just have to use Skype or something like that. Website tech guy, labs.com your calls next,

Leo Laporte (00:12:07):
No more,

Leo Laporte (00:12:11):
No bubbles.

Leo Laporte (00:12:19):
So I have to do, I I've been feeling really tired lately. And I realize if you just be more active instead of when you get tired, lying down, you'll be less tired. I

Mikah Sargent (00:12:33):
Have to tell myself that a lot too. It's truly,

Leo Laporte (00:12:35):
I wish I were your age,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:37):
But I mean, I,

Leo Laporte (00:12:37):
You still have that problem. I do gets worse as you get older. And it, you know, my mom, she's 88. She sleeps all day and you know, she sleeps all the time, which I would too, probably if I 88. But I'm wondering if you forced yourself to be a little more active, if you could slowly incrementally. I,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:53):
So, I mean, cuz that's at least speaking evolutionarily and, and the way that our bodies you know, used to hibernate in the winter and that would help us be able to survive the winter by burning on fewer calories and all that kind of stuff. Then. Yeah. The more that you're burning calories, the more you're tri you're telling your body, oh, you know, you're active. You need to be up and Adam and the endorphins that are released and all that kind of stuff. And that's the thing is that sort of cerebrally. I understand that, but actually convincing myself to get up and get going, get out and walk around and

Leo Laporte (00:13:27):
Stuff. Right. So we got a minute left. We're all gonna do this together right now, everybody. This is our one minute. Okay. Pushups. Now leg up mountain climbers, 10 of those I could do that. That's better music. Whoa, jumping weird jumping jacks. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:13:49):
Low impact jumping

Leo Laporte (00:13:49):
Jacks. Yeah. That's what it is. Nice. I'm doing it wrong.

Mikah Sargent (00:13:53):
Sort of a dance jumping, Jack

Leo Laporte (00:13:54):
Dance, jacks, dance jumping jacks. Ho what's that step press step back, press step back, press 5, 6, 7. Hey,

Leo Laporte (00:14:08):
I need this chap. What? Oh

Mikah Sargent (00:14:10):
God squat and side kid.

Leo Laporte (00:14:11):
I this morning. Oh, I couldn't remember all of them, but I, I remembered a couple of them. Oh, that gets your, this is my kind of exercising. Yeah. Yeah. Huh.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:24):
All right. You gotta send me this. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. See,

Leo Laporte (00:14:26):
And then it's only a minute

Mikah Sargent (00:14:27):
And that wasn't too bad. Yeah. It doesn't mess with my ADHD. It's only a minute.

Leo Laporte (00:14:31):
It's only a minute, but you have to do it like 20 or 30 times a day. I don't think I can do that. Yeah, just you got a minute and you know what? This chair is so uncomfortable that

Mikah Sargent (00:14:39):
You're

Leo Laporte (00:14:39):
Okay with that, that it makes me wanna jump up and do some exercises every day. All the time. But see that one you can do, cuz it's like, well, that wasn't so bad. Right?

Mikah Sargent (00:14:52):
Yeah. And then, you know, take your,

Leo Laporte (00:14:53):
You don't even get sweaty to it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll send you this. Yeah. I saw that on TikTok and ice, you could see, I saved it because I thought, well, this is, this is what I need to do. And then I guess, you know, as you get fitter, fit her,

Mikah Sargent (00:15:12):
You can add to it

Leo Laporte (00:15:12):
Or whatever you would make it harder. Obviously this is for old people and Mikah,

Mikah Sargent (00:15:17):
Old people and Mikah who doesn't want to do any workouts at all

Leo Laporte (00:15:20):
Ever. Yeah. You know, I still, I keep thinking, I gotta do apple fitness. Gotta do apple fitness. I know. Can't have you. Haven't done it either.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:27):
I've I did at the very beginning and then I got bored of it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:15:37):
Oh, let's get let's see if she's doing any exercises here. She is.

Kim Schaffer (00:15:42):
I was, I

Leo Laporte (00:15:43):
Did you

Kim Schaffer (00:15:43):
Do those with us? I did it the whole time. Did you?

Leo Laporte (00:15:45):
Yeah. Good job. See,

Mikah Sargent (00:15:47):
Well Sadie freaking out. Yeah.

Kim Schaffer (00:15:48):
Well she moved

Leo Laporte (00:15:50):
Here. She is late. He's a gentlemen. The phone angel with her little dog too.

Kim Schaffer (00:15:55):
Yeah. Little Sadie under my Deskie

Leo Laporte (00:15:58):
Sadie. Sadie. Sadie is a, what?

Mikah Sargent (00:16:02):
A mut. You

Kim Schaffer (00:16:03):
Tell me,

Leo Laporte (00:16:04):
She's going to get Sadie now

Mikah Sargent (00:16:05):
Looks like a sort of corgi Chihuahua or maybe a, you

Leo Laporte (00:16:08):
Have chihuahuas, right? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:16:10):
Some sort of Terri cha I

Leo Laporte (00:16:11):
See a Chihuahua in her, her face. She's tiny, small, not tiny. She's

Mikah Sargent (00:16:14):
The ears. And the pointy nose are the terrier slash

Leo Laporte (00:16:17):
The terrier in there.

Mikah Sargent (00:16:19):
Corgi stuff. She's

Kim Schaffer (00:16:20):
A mut. She's our rescue. She's

Leo Laporte (00:16:22):
Very cute.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:22):
As dogs should be. She's

Leo Laporte (00:16:24):
Very floppy. She doesn't seem to have much. She, she needs to do those exercises. You're doing in the break. She's very relaxed. She is. I'm tired now.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:34):
She's happy. I didn't leave her at home.

Leo Laporte (00:16:36):
Aw. Well you can bring your dog anytime.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:38):
Well, it's not my dog. So just baby.

Leo Laporte (00:16:41):
There's where you renting her.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:42):
Let's no, it's my friend's dog.

Leo Laporte (00:16:43):
Oh, okay. Well you can bring your friend's dog. Anytime.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:46):
Most of the dogs are like I said way too rambunctious, but this one is she's sweet.

Leo Laporte (00:16:50):
I don't even mind rambunctious. You're all alone in the other room there. I don't

Kim Schaffer (00:16:53):
Care. John might mind

Leo Laporte (00:16:55):
Though. He doesn't care. He has a he's upstairs. He's up one step. He's

Mikah Sargent (00:17:00):
Out the way out.

Leo Laporte (00:17:00):
The way. Who should we start the show with today?

Kim Schaffer (00:17:04):
Adam in San Diego might have a recommendation for a call a couple weeks ago. So it's always good. If you can jog your memory

Leo Laporte (00:17:11):
To start things with Adam, Adam, I

Kim Schaffer (00:17:13):
Know's so many Adams around.

Leo Laporte (00:17:14):
Yeah. Begin. Everything begins with Adam. Let

Mikah Sargent (00:17:17):
There be Adam, let

Leo Laporte (00:17:18):
There be Adam. Hello, Adam Leo. Laporte the tech guy. Thank you, Kim. And mic. Hello? Hello? Hello. Hello.

Caller 1 (00:17:25):
So yes, I have something you may be familiar with, but maybe a lot of listeners might not be a recommendation for the so solution to upon that a woman had a couple weeks ago.

Leo Laporte (00:17:36):
I love this by the way. It's you're if you can help out, please do. There's no way Mike. And I can answer every question. What did she want? What did she need?

Caller 1 (00:17:44):
So she wanted to use an iOS phone and an Android phone. Oh yeah. She couldn't get her iOS messages on Android. And you had mentioned you had a similar problem.

Leo Laporte (00:17:53):
Yeah, I actually think I talked about air message, but the problem with that is you have to rev a full time Mac running in the background. What do you think? What can I, I would love to know an answer to this.

Caller 1 (00:18:04):
So I'm using beep beep

Leo Laporte (00:18:06):
Beep beep. So I, beeper is interesting when it came out and you interviewed him, Mikah, you should remember this. When it came out. I, my reaction to it was, oh, this is he's using air message because you need, in fact, they give you, it's the guy who found a pebble. They give you an iPhone just to run, just like to run around in the background if you don't have one. So are you using beeper? That's interesting. Adam, tell me how do you like it? Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:18:35):
I am using it successfully and very happily. And I'll tell you, they have upgraded their systems. Now you do not need your own Mac. You don't need ah, phone. They have a cloud based system now. So they use their own cloud of Mac. So you just need an apple ID. That's it.

Leo Laporte (00:18:50):
You give them your apple ID. I presume.

Caller 1 (00:18:53):
Yeah. You download the app or they have an app in the play store in the iOS store and it integrates with everything, not just iMessage. So I am no longer a blue bubble blue

Leo Laporte (00:19:02):
Bubble. You're a purple bubble. Are you a purple?

Caller 1 (00:19:06):
All of my friends started asking me if I bought an iPhone and I said, no, I'm using an app that lets me use iMessage. I see all the reactions. I can do my own same reactions back to them on the blue bubble. Like everybody else

Leo Laporte (00:19:18):
Works with discord, Twitter, slack, WhatsApp matrix, which is an open source program that I like a lot telegram Skype, Hangouts. Wow. This is impressive. They've come a long way. Since we talked to the founder, I think this is so you, now you pay for it. It's not free.

Caller 1 (00:19:37):
That's correct. You do have to pay. It's not exactly cheap, but it depends on how much it's worth to you. So I pay it's a hundred dollars for the year or 10 bucks a month that they wanna do month a month.

Leo Laporte (00:19:46):
Yeah. So it really, yeah. For somebody like me, I'm using all these different phones and all these different messaging apps. I think I'm not alone. I think a lot of people, you know, uncle Joe uses WhatsApp, aunt mod uses Facebook messenger Henry he's using IES and, and Abby, she's on, you know, Android. So she's using Android messenger. This isn't uncommon where we've got fam members using all sorts of things and none of them talk to anybody else. Can you have a group that with all these different people in one group?

Caller 1 (00:20:19):
Yep. I have many groups. You can make your own group. You can Rena the group, whatever you want. And whenever a message comes in, no matter where it's from. I have them all integrated. It comes right into my deeper and it, and there's a different icon for every messaging. So I know it's a that coming in or an iMessage coming in and you can see them all separately.

Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
The only thing you can't do, and this is Apple's fault, you can't make it your default messaging program on apple. How do you handle that? Do you, do you just tie it into your beeper account and then messages all appear everywhere? Kind

Mikah Sargent (00:20:49):
Of.

Caller 1 (00:20:49):
Yeah. I just have, I just have beeper on all devices. There's a, a desktop app for Mac and windows.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:54):
Yeah. But

Leo Laporte (00:20:55):
Can you, can you get, does beeper put messages into your apple messages? If they, if somebody sends me a message on telegram, does it show up in my apple messages?

Caller 1 (00:21:04):
Oh no. It'll only, yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:05):
It'll

Leo Laporte (00:21:06):
Have to use beeper. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you basically, you still on an iPhone, you're gonna have two messengers. You're gonna have deeper and you're gonna have apples messages. It

Mikah Sargent (00:21:14):
Supports IRC.

Caller 1 (00:21:15):
Yeah. Yeah. And IRC too. Yeah. So, but if you have an Android phone, you only need deeper and that's all

Leo Laporte (00:21:19):
You need. Yeah. And that's what I'll do on my Android phones. For sure. Yeah. good solution. Little, little pricey, but it does solve this problem. You know, when, when he started this, I was, I said, you just are copying air, air, the air server thing. Air message that I recommended. But I think, I think he's got something. Don't you remember talking to him now?

Mikah Sargent (00:21:43):
I was, I think he was all about Android.

Leo Laporte (00:21:45):
Oh, okay. Mitch. KSKY Mitch. Yeah. pebble guy. Alright. You convinced me, Adam. I know I'm signing up today. Same here. Come here. I come. Beeper.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:56):
Thank you.

Leo Laporte (00:21:57):
I love it. Enjoy. Thank you. I appreciate it. Appreciate the tip. I always love it. When a listener can call in and help us out. This is a, it's an, it's a problem of apples making we used to in the back of the day, I've seen people talking kind of fondly about pigeon and AUM and all of these Trium all of these programs like people that would combine everything, but everybody wants you and owned you completely. And they don't like that. Leo Laporte Mike Sargent, the tech guy too.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:28):
You need to pick one and stick to it.

Leo Laporte (00:22:31):
Well, but yeah, but your, you know, if your family doesn't yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:22:34):
I can't get everybody

Leo Laporte (00:22:35):
To do it. And the problem, the real problem is all Apple's fault because the real problem is you have Android and iOS users and that's really the real problem. Let's get Scott, what do you, what do you, do you have Android users in your family

Mikah Sargent (00:22:53):
Tagline? Oh, the we pick, wanted stick to, it was for the tagline.

Leo Laporte (00:23:00):
I don't have a tagline. I don't have that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's easy. My problem is everybody in our family is iPhone except for my daughter. Who's Android. And so she'll send me messages on Android. Is that because, and I'll miss 'em

Mikah Sargent (00:23:20):
Breaking the phone or is that because it's just different. She does that. Cuz she breaks her phone. No,

Leo Laporte (00:23:25):
She just doesn't she hates apple. Got it.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:27):
You

Leo Laporte (00:23:27):
Know, some people just like Mary Jo hate apple.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:29):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:31):
I can understand it I guess, but I don't, I don't hate anybody.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:36):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:37):
I mean any tech, let

Mikah Sargent (00:23:38):
Me, me, Facebook comes close

Leo Laporte (00:23:39):
Facebook. I hate tape. No, you're right. I do hate I'm a hater. Somebody sent me a letter saying, can you tell me what the name of that song is about easing into your hip bag? There's a magic laugh from Scott Wilkinson home theater geek. He joins us every week to talk about home theater. He's a contributor@techhive.com rights actually for a number of different magazines, online magazines. I guess we don't have magazines much anymore online.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:08):
You know we don't. Yeah. I just, I just saw a Facebook post yesterday. For many years I wrote for a magazine called electronic musician. Yeah. which was a great magazine.

Leo Laporte (00:24:20):
What we

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:20):
Call yeah. Great magazine. Yeah. We, we talked about synthesizers and recording studios and stuff. I was the technical editor there for 10 years. This may is its last print edition. Yeah. They're gonna stop printing. And I thought what took 'em so long?

Leo Laporte (00:24:36):
Well, you know, entertainment weekly published its last print edition this week as well. Yeah. That, I mean and that was a venerable, you know, entertainment magazine, You know, they're, they're just all going by the wayside. Cause most of the computer magazines long gone long gone. Yeah. Yeah. And I think technical magazines you're right. You'd think, you know, electronic musician, any magazine that has somewhat technical audience, would've been gone to the web a long time ago, but

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:00):
Yeah. They're still gonna

Leo Laporte (00:25:01):
Apparently

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:02):
Yeah. They're gonna do a digital edition. So I guess they'll do an email else.

Leo Laporte (00:25:06):
So it was everybody.

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:07):
Yeah. So it was everybody. So it was everybody. I, I was sad because you know, I spent a good portion of my career there in print and I gotta tell you I'm really happy to be online now. Among the many benefits is there's no big lag time, you know, for a print magazine, you write something and then it comes out three months later

Leo Laporte (00:25:26):
When we, when I first started, of course in the very early days of technology, I was writing for magazines and yeah. You'd get prerelease stuff. Yeah. And they try because there was in many cases three month LA lead. So for monthlies anyway, so you get prerelease stuff and you'd have to sign a nondisclosure agreement. So I won't tell anybody. And, and I remember when the iPhone came out in 2007, they sent out just three or four to the big publications to Walt Moberg at the wall street journal to ed, big of USA today. Steven Levy of wired magazine. I think those were the three. Maybe there was one more were the only people who got iPhones and they got 'em very early because of lead time because

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:10):
Of lead time, it

Leo Laporte (00:26:10):
Took them a while, took companies a while to figure out they didn't have to do that. Now apple sends for instance, his most recent release of the Mac studio sends out dozens to YouTubers just a few days before and say, it says, you can't write about it until the day before we ship. So all the reviews came out on Thursday. It's very interesting. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:30):
Yep. It it really is.

Leo Laporte (00:26:32):
So what do you wanna talk about today?

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:34):
Well, I got an interesting email about earbuds

Leo Laporte (00:26:39):
Boy, you know, I'm conflicted on earbuds. I have so many earbuds, Right? Samsung keeps sending me earbuds for buying Samsung phones. I've got AirPods so many.

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:52):
Yep.

Leo Laporte (00:26:53):
Most of 'em just fall right. Outta your ear. And I don't think he sounds well. He is that good?

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:57):
Well, it can be now Mark Hoffman wrote me and said he wanted reasonable priced, Bluetooth earbud. So true wireless and main concern is getting a good fit. So that's kind of what I wanted to talk about today.

Leo Laporte (00:27:11):
Yes. Cause if they don't fit snugly, you won't get good bass.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:15):
You won't get good bass. It, it, the whole sound will be kind of what I call tizzy kind of fizzy kind of.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:23):
Yeah, exactly. It, you really need to get a very good seal in your ear canal, which will also help in preventing them from falling out, which is another problem. So it's really, really important. Almost all earbuds come with a variety of, of what are called ear tips. That is the little silicone thing that you stick on the end of the, of the earbud what's called the nozzle, which is where the sound comes out. And you can you get, they usually come small, medium, large, sometimes four or five different sizes. And it's really important to try them out and find the best fit for you because everybody's ears are different. Of course. So I, myself need very large Eart tips in order for them to, to seal well and therefore not be prone to falling out.

Leo Laporte (00:28:16):
A lot of us in TV and musicians do this actually go to audiologists. Yes. And yet silicone rubber poured into our ears. Yep. They attach a little string to it and then they pull it out and then we send after a couple minutes. Yeah. Then you send it to companies like JH audio or UE, phonics ears or sensei phonics. And they make a hard plastic insert. You only you can wear

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:44):
That's right. The

Leo Laporte (00:28:45):
It's molded to the inside of your ear. Now those fit really well. This,

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:48):
This is absolutely the best way to go. Without question,

Leo Laporte (00:28:52):
You know,

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:53):
My custom ear, ear plugs ear hearing protection are, are made sense of farmers. Cause

Leo Laporte (00:28:59):
They seal now I have to say pretty well. And this is a plug cuz they're a sponsor of some of our podcast, ultimate ears, which is one of the early companies to do this. Yeah. Does make a new kind of earbud with this weird. You gotta try these light technology. You put it in your ear, press a button. It starts to warm up in your ear, not hot, hot, but warm and molds to your ear

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:22):
And molds to your ear. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:29:24):
Looking from on, I love of 'em.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:27):
Oh, I've gotta try that. They're

Leo Laporte (00:29:28):
Not quite as perfect as if you went to an audiologist of course, but right, right. But boy, they sure sound good. But going

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:34):
To an audiologist, going to an audiologist is you're you're gonna spend a hundred or 200 bucks

Leo Laporte (00:29:38):
Just for the fitting. Yeah. Yeah. The nice thing is your ears don't change much. So I have the earbuds that I use in studio or from JH audio. And they keep your molds. So I call, I send 'em another a note saying, can I have some more? And they had the molds and they just made some more,

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:56):
I went to a, to a, to a headphone show a couple years ago and I think it was ultimate ears. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but they actually did a laser scan.

Leo Laporte (00:30:06):
Yes. Remember that? Yeah. This is, this is kind of the more reasonable

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:11):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:30:12):
Child of that and, and it, and it warms up and it's some sort of silicone tip. You have some right. Have you tried? 'em

Mikah Sargent (00:30:19):
Yeah, I did the fitting and everything. It's

Leo Laporte (00:30:20):
Of intro it's

Mikah Sargent (00:30:21):
Really? Yeah, it is. It's kind of fun.

Leo Laporte (00:30:23):
How do you feel like the fit is?

Mikah Sargent (00:30:25):
So what was cool is that the ones that I had, they, the, one of my ears had just did not fit well. Luckily within the app, they have this thing where you go through this little test afterward and then they put me in touch with the people at UE. And you were able to get smaller ones. Cause I,

Leo Laporte (00:30:40):
Cause you have little ears. My,

Mikah Sargent (00:30:41):
My ear, my ears are not little, but my ear canals are

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:44):
Little. The canals are, and this is what's really critical. Even more important. Sometimes some people have different sizes on the right and the left. Yep. So you might use a large on the left and a medium on the right or something like that. So my, my message here is to, if you're, if you're not gonna go with this custom job, either with an audiologist or this new UE thing, which I really want to try

Leo Laporte (00:31:06):
164 bucks, which is amazing, cuz earbuds can, you know, AirPod pros, which don't fit that well, cost a hundred bucks more. Yeah. So I, you know, again, they're a sponsor, but these

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:16):
UE are, are with the, with the earbud itself, with the

Leo Laporte (00:31:21):
They're called UE fits. Oh, okay. Logitech bought UE a while ago and this is, this is the latest attempt to kind of cross the bridge between going to an audiologist. Yeah. And getting your ultimate ears, you know, especially fitted. Are you wearing fitted ones right now? Aren't you Mike on?

Mikah Sargent (00:31:39):
No, I haven't gotten them yet. You,

Leo Laporte (00:31:40):
You got regular ones? Yeah. Just regular ones someday. When you get into the big time. Yeah. We'll send you this. We'll send you an audiologist. When I first started at tech TV, an audiologist came over and fitted everybody. That's cool. Oh really? Wow. Yeah. So maybe if you were that

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:56):
Cost them a little money,

Leo Laporte (00:31:57):
You know, at the time they thought they had lots of money, that's turned out not to be the case, But you're right. It's just one of the reasons I don't like earbuds. They, they don't sound great unless they fit well and they'll fall out. That's right. And they're easy to lose. I'm still kind of a fan of over the year. Headphones, to be honest, when I want to hear the best quality sound, I think that's the best way to go.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:18):
Well, I agree. I agree. Although my one more the, the numeral one.

Leo Laporte (00:32:24):
Oh yeah. I've bought some of those cuz of you. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:26):
They're, they're very good. They good. I, I use them in when I'm on the stationary bike, for example, you,

Leo Laporte (00:32:33):
You definitely want to, they'll all come with multiple tips. Good ones anyway. Maybe not the skull candy. Exactly. The good ones will come, come with multiple tips that you can then try until you get one that sort of, so you get one that sort of fits it's the, the use this UE stuff is it's, it's called a photo polymer, gel tip and it's light sensitive and it adjusts. Yeah. And I think the sound

Mikah Sargent (00:32:56):
Cured.

Leo Laporte (00:32:57):
I'm pretty happy

Mikah Sargent (00:32:58):
In get the lights going. Yes.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:00):
Yeah

Leo Laporte (00:33:00):
Man. Scott Wilkinson home theater geek. Thanks. I, you know, I must have put 'em down somewhere

Mikah Sargent (00:33:08):
Mine by my bedside table. Cuz I use them.

Leo Laporte (00:33:10):
I listen all the time. Yeah. And I, I hate to give him a big plug like that, cuz they're a sponsor. But, and I wouldn't honestly, I wouldn't have known about 'em if they hadn't bought ads, hadn't

Mikah Sargent (00:33:21):
Been as sponsored. Yeah. Cause it's brand new that

Leo Laporte (00:33:22):
Yeah. But 164 bucks is not bad I think.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:26):
No and they're true wireless. Right? They're

Leo Laporte (00:33:28):
They're yeah. They're they're Bluetooth. Yeah. Premium single dynamic, 10 millimeter drivers. They have microphones as well.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:36):
So you can use 'em for phone calls. Yep.

Leo Laporte (00:33:37):
Yep. And the patented light form technology.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:41):
Oh man. Well, I'm gonna have to try that. I, I may see if tech Hial authorized me to do a review in the

Leo Laporte (00:33:46):
Yeah. You should do a review. Yeah. Or I'll ask I don't know. Who's I, I think it's Max's client. I'll ask max if he can. I can't what did I, I hope I didn't lose mine. I was bringing to work. I carry him with me in my purse, but I take him out to charge them

Mikah Sargent (00:34:02):
BC charging.

Leo Laporte (00:34:02):
Yeah. USBC.

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:04):
USBC. That's good.

Leo Laporte (00:34:04):
Yeah. Oh God. Does anybody only have

Mikah Sargent (00:34:07):
Amazon?

Leo Laporte (00:34:08):
Really

Mikah Sargent (00:34:09):
All of its products

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:10):
Still

Leo Laporte (00:34:12):
Get with a, there are quite

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:13):
A few with, with micro or mini mini USB or whatever. Mike, he in the chat room says they showed that one year at one of the CES tabletop events like show stoppers or, or pep com digital experience.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:26):
The, the urgency of it is kind of fun for me because you get the thing and it's like, Hey, as soon as you take this out of the package, cuz it's completely sealed, sealed in this black package,

Leo Laporte (00:34:34):
Any light,

Mikah Sargent (00:34:35):
Any light will start to cure them. We'll

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:36):
Start to cure it. Right.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:38):
Pop 'em on. And then you slip 'em in your ears and it's like, hold it a little bit. You'll feel some warmth in your ears. Cuz the app is following along with the process and it has like a countdown. And so you're listening to music so that it with some good bass and, and mids and highs. And so you kind of jamming along as this purple light is shining out of your ears as it's

Leo Laporte (00:34:55):
We have a video of me doing it somewhere. I don't know where it's really. Yeah. which you recorded for the ad. You know, actually I think they sound as good as my J audios. They just, the nice thing about the custom molded ones is you can't really see them. They're really in your ear. These are, these are really in your ear. These you can see. Yeah. And it looks like UE still do does custom. I EEMS. So yeah, they do. You can still do the audiologist thing.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:24):
Yeah. You yeah. Yeah. And I mean 164 bucks while a hundred to 200 bucks just for the ear molds and then you gotta

Leo Laporte (00:35:30):
Buy. That's why I can't. I think, you know, they say these are reduced right now. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Cuz they're normally 2 64, but right now 164 UE fits

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:46):
They're normally what? To

Leo Laporte (00:35:47):
2 50, 250. Oh wow. But right now maybe it's cuz it's no, it's not the color. 164. I think they're just truly trying to get in people's attention. These, I mean, cause once you use 'em you're gonna tell your friends as we did. Yeah. You're gonna tell your friends, you're say, you know, you don't want to get the audiologist. I mean 164 is actually less than AirPods pro and those are not molded to your ear. Right. And I think they sound as good. They have noise canceling and they have all that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:17):
Oh, active noise casting. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:36:20):
Yeah. And you can talk to, can

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:21):
Be good or that can be not so good.

Leo Laporte (00:36:23):
Well you don't have to use it, but they have

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:25):
It. Yeah. If you turn it, if you have it, if you can turn it on,

Leo Laporte (00:36:27):
It works well. When I'm in the hot tub, I can't hear the bubbles,

Speaker 5 (00:36:30):
The bubbles, you know, when I'm in the hot tub, I like to wear my fit. Oh my God. Cause I can't hear the bubbles. Lovey, lovey keep blowing lovey more bubbles. Bring me a rum cover. Bubbles are so loud.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:55):
Very good. Do you guys think, think my Aly

Leo Laporte (00:36:58):
Lava bark lamp is, you know, when I realized why they're not doing it, the old lava lamps had to heat up. So they had to have incandescent bulbs, which you cannot get anymore. I bet you guys are not ENC.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:08):
And for me on this set, I have to turn it on like an hour and a half

Leo Laporte (00:37:12):
Before. Cause it's to warm the lava. It has to

Speaker 5 (00:37:14):
Warm the lava. Right? This is just wax.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:16):
This is, this is instant opera.

Leo Laporte (00:37:19):
All right. Stay for the top. You bet. All right. Thank you. Great tragedy to lose. So young, a great rock and roll drummers of the F fighters. He will be Ms. Taylor Hawkins, age 50. Wow. 88, 88. Ask Leo. You've become the professor. Laura, the grim Reaper of music. If I hear a song, I go, did somebody die? But this one yeah, just tragic. Just terrible. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo that's the phone number? Eighty eight, eight eight two seven five five three six Leo Laporte and Mikah Sargent Mikah. You're gonna take this one cuz I'm right. I'm gonna take a walk. No, I'm I'll stay here just in case I'll back you up man. It's kind of like that trust exercise. Yeah. You're gonna fall backwards. I'll catch you if I'll catch me. Yeah. Gary on the line.

Leo Laporte (00:38:12):
Rockford,

Leo Laporte (00:38:13):
Illinois, Gary.

Mikah Sargent (00:38:14):
This

Mikah Sargent (00:38:15):
Is Gary from the discord. Welcome to the show, Gary.

Caller 2 (00:38:18):
Yeah. Yeah. What's up all you guys doing

Leo Laporte (00:38:21):
Good. You mean this is double R Gary,

Speaker 5 (00:38:23):
Double R Gary, double R Gary,

Caller 2 (00:38:25):
Double R Gary. Nice to see you. Yeah. I don't know about seeing me, but hearing me at least

Leo Laporte (00:38:34):
I see your avatar on the discord so I know what you'll look like.

Caller 2 (00:38:37):
Oh yeah, yeah. That's right. But anyways, I, I didn't know what to talk about, but you know, it seems like windows 11 is the problem that everybody's having is with windows 11 And I don't use windows 11 for my personal use. I, I have to use windows for work. I use actually Linux for my personal use. Ah, but 

Leo Laporte (00:39:05):
Isn't it ironic that half the world said, I don't want windows 11, no matter what. And then Microsoft said, well, you can't have it. And then they said, but I want it.

Leo Laporte (00:39:16):
It was

Caller 2 (00:39:17):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:39:17):
You know, by the way, good marketing Microsoft. I'm gonna remember that. You can't have it,

Leo Laporte (00:39:22):
But I have to. I want it.

Leo Laporte (00:39:25):
Steve Gibson our friend from security now wrote a program called in control that lets you turn off those nags from Microsoft saying, you know, you could get windows 11. I just got a, I just got a, I'm sorry I'm taking over the call. I just got, I just got a a, a snail mail from Richard. He says two years ago, my godson started high school and needed internet access for his classes shortly after the, that, without my permission to upgraded my windows seven to windows 10, I hate it. How do I get back to windows seven and off the internet?

Mikah Sargent (00:40:06):
Unplug your ethernet cable. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:40:08):
Yeah. I don't want the internet

Leo Laporte (00:40:09):
Or windows seven windows 10. Well you do need windows 10 cuz windows seven is no longer supported, which means it's gonna be insecure and not already.

Mikah Sargent (00:40:17):
And arguably windows 11 is windows 10.

Leo Laporte (00:40:20):
It is totally windows 10. Yeah. With rounded corners,

Mikah Sargent (00:40:23):
Rounding some paint in different places. And that, I mean not, not a whole lot else other than a, a badge for some folks that says you really shouldn't be using this on this machine.

Leo Laporte (00:40:32):
Yeah. That's a funny one.

Mikah Sargent (00:40:34):
That's hardware does not support windows 11. So the

Leo Laporte (00:40:36):
Real in answer to this is Microsoft says we're gonna support windows 10 until 2025. So you don't have to give up windows 10. If it's, if the nags are annoying, you they're probably ways to turn that off. But the easy thing is go to grc.com. It's free in control. It's just a, it really, all it is a entry that says don't bug me. I don't want windows 11 and you can stick with windows 10. If you have the hardware upgrade, there's nothing wrong with upgrading windows 11. You do get two weeks that you can roll back. Although I'd make a backup before you install it just in case cuz sometimes the rollback is not great. And are you, did you put windows 11 on blue VE

Mikah Sargent (00:41:19):
On Elvis? Yes. On Elvis. I did. And

Leo Laporte (00:41:21):
What do you think

Mikah Sargent (00:41:22):
I'm fine with? It looks good. It's fine. I

Leo Laporte (00:41:24):
Prefer it. I put it on my machine at home. My gaming. Yeah. Machine home. It's it's got a centered menu.

Mikah Sargent (00:41:29):
I, and I like that because it reminds me of macOS in that line. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:41:33):
And you can make it look a lot more like windows 10 by term. There's a setting to make the met menu on the left. One of the things I don't like that Microsoft is testing out is changing how search works so that you get search

Mikah Sargent (00:41:45):
Basically that

Leo Laporte (00:41:46):
You get stuff from the internet in your, if you're searching your disc there's ads in explore, I think that's coming soon. There's already ads in other stuff. It's hard to get rid of that, but this is how Microsoft's headed. All of that's coming to windows 10. Anyway, it's just that you'll get it sooner. If you're 11 that doesn't, it defers not eliminates these changes. So that's, I'm not a big windows for that reason. I feel like Microsoft is, is becoming more hostile to its users,

Mikah Sargent (00:42:16):
Cluttering things up

Leo Laporte (00:42:17):
In order to make more money. And that is not, I'm not a fan of I like you Gary. I, I, I use Linux and I, I prefer it. One of the nice things about Lennox, you can make it look more like windows 10 than windows 11. If you want, if you want task bar tool bars, according to web shorts and our chat room is missing in windows 11. There may be some things missing. That is true. They did take some things out with windows 11. I'd say, unless you, I don't know. I don't know what the rule is. There's nothing wrong with going to windows 11. If you did use some of those features that are gone, then you might not be happy, but you don't have to go until 20, 25. So, so stay with 10. If you don't have a reason to go to 11. How about that? Is

Mikah Sargent (00:43:03):
That the rule? I, I feel like that's a good rule. Stick with 10. If you don't need to upgrade to 11 or if you don't want to upgrade to 11, I like new things. I am a seeker. I will go and look at app updates and read through them and see new fun features I can have. That's why I upgraded to windows 11 before it was officially out and was in the preview track or whatever they call it these days and wanted to try all the new stuff just because I like to have that new experience. The change is fun for me on a machine that is not my daily driver, but I understand for folks where it is their daily driver.

Leo Laporte (00:43:33):
Thanks Gary. With two. Nice to talk to you. See in the discord, Karen on the line from N nine. Oh that's New York, New York. Hi Karen N nine.

Caller 11 (00:43:42):
Hi Leo. And hi Mikah. Hi Karen. Talk to you. So this is the story. I'm gonna be making a permanent move overseas to Israel, and I need to have Aner phone number where I could make and receive calls and make and make and receive text messages. And I have an iPhone.

Leo Laporte (00:44:09):
So probably what you wanna do when you get to Israel is get an Israeli phone company, a cell company, which will give you an Israeli. No, and you'll put that in your iPhone. Your iPhone can do dual SIM, but I don't think that's the, the thing to do. There are a number of companies that will let you choose your area code and have an American number if you want. 

Caller 11 (00:44:29):
Right. I think that's what I need.

Leo Laporte (00:44:31):
So then you just, what you do is you have your Israeli phone number. You have your Israeli phone, but you run an app that has a number that people can call. I'm, I'm gonna have to do some research though because not all of them will let you, if you're in Israel have American phone numbers.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:49):
That was my concern. Cause a lot of people immediately said Google voice, but the concern there is if it knows that your IP is coming from Israel or for somewhere else, if it will let you keep a us phone number to set up with that, the somebody had just mentioned text plus in the chat. I'm reading about that now, but I'm seeing SMS and MMS messaging 

Leo Laporte (00:45:10):
Is this calls as well? Oh, there's

Mikah Sargent (00:45:12):
Calls

Leo Laporte (00:45:12):
Yeah. To anyone in the us or Canada, but what you want is you want an area code you know, you want a New York area code, you wanna, right. Yeah. 

Caller 3 (00:45:23):
And from what I was reading not, you know, cuz also I wanna be able to get ahold of my banks and you know, factor authentication and what I was reading is that a lot of banks don't accept VoIP numbers, I guess.

Leo Laporte (00:45:41):
Yes, that's right. I've tried to use my Google voice. For instance, for some banks, they won't do the SMS authentication over a service that they know is not a real phone company. And that is potentially problematic. You should certainly tell, you're gonna be telling your bank, you're moving to Israel anyway and ask them what they suggest because they may have, they don't wanna send text messages to Israeli number either. Right, right.

Caller 11 (00:46:08):
So that's why I need the United States.

Leo Laporte (00:46:10):
Yeah. So they may have a solution for, are you well, if that's the only reason then maybe just talk to the bank cuz they may have a solution for you. That's better anyway. And more secure. I I see another one from Mike B N EES, mobile.com virtual USA number. I'm trying to remember the one I used for a while on my iPad, but I think there are always restrictions about international use. So we're gonna do some research, keep listening, Karen, watch the chat room or visit the website. We will find some solutions for you. Leo. Laporte the tech guy with Mikah too. Yeah. That's a little tricky. I oh, I would start with the bank.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:50):
Yeah. I agree. Because it might just be that you need to switch those two factor codes over to an app. Yeah. And sort of circumvent that whole process. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:47:00):
All right. Mr. Scott, Mikah and I are gonna go get inebriated and 

Mikah Sargent (00:47:05):
With caffeine, with caffeine. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:47:07):
And caffeinated. Did I say

Mikah Sargent (00:47:08):
Inebriated? You did that's cuz you need to be caffeinated. I need to be caff mixed up if I

Leo Laporte (00:47:13):
Had, but me it's all Scott's show

Mikah Sargent (00:47:17):
Scott's shot.

Scott Wilkinson (00:47:20):
Thanks. Thanks Leo and Mikah. Enjoy your KA nation. Hello everybody. It's so nice to see you all. And yeah, somebody asked me about the rotating ally levitated earth in my set and I don't remember the name of the company. It's it's I have the box still. I usually keep boxes for things like that and in my garage. So I'll have it for you next week. And somebody else mentioned the, the coolest magnetic rotating globe, which I think Leo has on his set from a company called Mova M O V a which are they make a variety of the mostly planets and it, it rotates, it has magnetic rotation as well, but this is really cool. It has a, a solar powered electromagnet inside and through the top of it is I guess it's the, the top of it doesn't look transparent, but it must be translucent. It lets some light through. And so the solar, so the light comes in powers, the electromagnet, the electromagnet oscillates, and interacts with the Earth's magnetic field. And so it, it spins as of the interaction between the oscillating electromagnet inside the sphere and the Earth's magnetic field. That is so, so cool.

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:03):
Let's see. T I 83, tell us about your shirt. I must admit, I don't remember where I got this shirt. It's another tie dye spectacular. Not from the karats of brothers. That was my last one that I wore here. This one is similarly multicolored but in a spiral more of a, sort of a spiral heli pattern. And yeah, I, I had meant to ask Leo out the tie dye maker in Petaluma. Kim might be able to, to tell me that as well. She, she apparently knows who that is. And I want to, I want to go get some more let's see, Mike, 3, 3 26, just got the Sony O lead the a 95 for a great price. Oh, good. How mu how much and what size it's an incredible picture. I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it kind of like the acoustic surface speakers too.

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:01):
Yeah. Sony did a great thing. Even with our first generation OED, which is, they basically turned the entire screen into the TV speaker, which works a whole heck of a lot better than most of the speakers on most TVs, which are these thin tiny little punny POS speakers that that really don't sound good at all, but that acoustic surface is a big step up, big step up which in fact, believe it or not I'm using in my current screening room right now, which isn't hardly a screening room cuz as you, most of you know, I've moved to Santa Cruz, I'm in a rental house and I have a dedicated screening room. So I'm, I've got the main TV and the den and at the moment I'm using the acoustic surface, which is, which is pretty good, certainly for TV speakers. It's the best I know. But I have a vis soundbar coming and I will be telling you all about it as soon as I get it. And I, I'm sure that's gonna be a whole heck of a lot better

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:12):
Long way tie dye. There it is. Kim. Thank you very much. I'm gonna gonna look at long way tie dye. Oh yeah. I see his pictures. They, they are more shall we see a muted or subtle pastels. If I'm looking at the pictures here, they are very beautiful. No question about it. We have to, we have to see if he'll do more bold of course, you know, he's got a signature look and that's what he does and that's fine. But that looks like that. Those look pretty cool. I'm gonna have to when I make a trip up to Petaluma to see you guys now that I'm within striking distance I will definitely wanna check out check out long way. Thanks Kim. Appreciate it. Beat master. Did you read about the pixel arrangement for QD lid that inherently creates issues for some use cases? No, I haven't heard about that. Can you point me to to something online that talks about that? 

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:29):
Hm, Doug M asked if my Xfinity X I six 4k box has arrived this week. No it hasn't. I had meant to order it last week and stuff got in the way. But I intend to so I, I had meant to one of the questions I, I, I really need to call them and talk to them about this is, I wonder if I need to change the the client boxes. I have the main X one box and then I have two clients for two other TVs in other rooms. And my question for Xfinity, Doug, you might know is, do I need to change those out at the same time? I change out the, the main X one box to the X I six. I do, I'm gonna get that. But I, I need to answer that question before I before I pull that trigger not much native 4k, Comcast content. True. but when I tried to watch apple TV plus from the Xfinity box before I had unpacked the RO my Roku ultra it said, you need to swap your cable box. We'll do that for no extra cost. And so I said, oh great. Because I, I wanna see 4k D from apple TV plus as well as other sources.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:02):
Let's see, Ooh, Doug M says, yes, I have to change the clock boxes too. And they are now IP only wifi ethernet. I thought the ones I have are, are IP only stick says I've gotten tidy from Jake and I loved it, even did custom. Oh, well, that's cool. I, Mike B says, why not go to the Xfinity store and get it? I could do that. There's an Xfinity store very near me. So I could in fact do that. Should I do that? Let's see here. Oh beat, beat master. Thank you. Problem with Samsung new O led TV. Subpixels Hmm, huh. That's very interesting. Well, I'll have to read that. I, I don't wanna, I'm not gonna read that while I'm sitting here with all you guys, but I will definitely read that cuz if that's true, then that's a problem which would not have expected. And that would be really sad cuz QD O is really great. Mike, hi. So Hey Mike, good to see you. Have I tried the Roku, all of Xfinity in in lieu of S TB? No I haven't I'm I'm still having STB because I need I, I really like linear TV. I'm an old school guy. What can I tell you? I do, we do watch a lot of streaming, but having linear TV is somehow comforting.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:51):
So, and I got a, I got a good deal on the first two years of it. Anyway. So we'll see Twisted, misters asking Mike, if I've, if he's compared traditional TV service like dish or YouTube for video quality, I will say Xfinity is better quality than dish. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Leo Laporte (00:56:14):
They got more bandwidth than dish.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:16):
Yep.

Leo Laporte (00:56:17):
All right, Scotty, have a wonderful week. I love this color scheme is very nice. It looks good. And your camera's doing a great job. I don't know what you're doing.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:24):
Oh good. Thank you. I'm glad to hear that.

Leo Laporte (00:56:27):
Thank you, sir.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:28):
Righty. See you next week.

Leo Laporte (00:56:31):
Well, Hey. Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo Laport here, the tech guy, Mikah sergeants. Also with me tech guy two, answering your questions, taking your calls at 88 88, ask Leo 8 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. You could still call, but you have to use Skype out. 88. Eight is toll free 8 8 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6 website tech guy labs.com. We put links up there, actually mic you do that. After the show, he's gonna put the links up there. We'll put it a transcript of the show, audio and video from the show as well. Tech guy labs.com. Let's get back to the phones. If anybody has, by the way, a good idea for a virtual number that you could use in Israel, that would give you an American number. I feel like Twilio and some of those big companies would offer something like that, but you might have to pay for incoming as well as outbound calls to that number, but it would be pennies a minute. It wouldn't be at like long distance used to be. John is on the line from Alhambra, California and caller. Hi John.

Caller 4 (00:57:45):
Hi, how you doing Leo?

Leo Laporte (00:57:46):
I am great. How are you?

Caller 4 (00:57:49):
Good. Good. Thank you. Hey, I heard earlier at the beginning that unfortunately you were gonna get rid of your IMAX because you cannot break of Montey. And that's like a shame because those are not only were they expensive, but they were nice.

Leo Laporte (00:58:01):
I know it's a nice 5k. Thank you, apple for are not keeping it up to date.

Caller 4 (00:58:06):
So this is what I did. I always wanted a large, I Mac like that also. So I went ahead and bought a used one. I bought a 2012 27 inch iMac. Nice. And then, and then I went ahead. It could only run, I guess. I'm not sure if it was Lina. It was like, wait it back there. And I went ahead and I updated it and I'm running right now, ma Monterey MCES Monterey 12.1. And I'm gonna be updated to 12.3 really soon.

Leo Laporte (00:58:36):
You're using that magic driver. Aren't you?

Caller 4 (00:58:40):
The open core legacy patcher. Yeah. And they used to have it. Do you to have it in where you have to use the terminal and now it went totally gooey. You, you click on it. It tells you what you've got, it recognizes everything. And then it tells you, you click on something else and it gives you a list of, okay, what are purchase system you want all the way for 12.3 all the way back to whatever you want. It does the, the installs, and then it goes ahead. And because if you don't have a metal metal enabled graphics card says, you need this. It does everything for you. It works. Everything is working on it. Like nothing. It's perfectly working.

Leo Laporte (00:59:20):
It's really cool. There's a community around it. It's an open source project and there's a community around it that people like you. And I guess me too, who want to keep old max using the latest operating system we should mention it is not, of course supported by apple,

Caller 4 (00:59:35):
Of

Leo Laporte (00:59:35):
Course. And so there's always this risk that at some point apple will shut it down or you won't be getting all the security patches. There'd be also this kind of potential risk of it being malicious itself. But because it's open source, I, I don't worry about it too much. It's actually mic a Python right script. Yeah.

Caller 4 (00:59:56):
Interesting. And then, and then when you go ahead and you do the update initially when I installed the Monterey 12.1, I, I, I can get it directly from, from, from apple and it came down and I installed it.

Leo Laporte (01:00:07):
Yeah. Once you got, once you got the open core on there. Yes. It doesn't apple doesn't know you're not running, you know, a more modern operating system. I think it's a really good idea. It's an interesting idea. It's kind of in that hack andto vein, there's always been a, a community of people who wanna, you know, be use apple stuff more freely. And so they support all sorts of interesting things. I, I mean, I guess I could do it you know, well,

Caller 4 (01:00:33):
I'm just thinking about it. It's for your own personal use, it's a waste to what are you gonna do with the other ones? Yeah. Waste, right? Yeah. I'm thinking about it this way. When you first do the money. When I did the Monterey, I think it was I forgot it's a bunch of gigs, you know, like 12 gigs or whatever it was, it was a whole thing. Right. And now when you do the update, it'll say, okay, from 12.1 to 12.3, it'll be three gigs and something, something. So it's, it's working just as if it was the exact thing, like you said, once it on there, it just flows like a regular back.

Leo Laporte (01:01:05):
Isn't that amazing. And you're continuing to get updates and all that stuff. Nothing seems to be otherwise

Caller 4 (01:01:11):
Nothing. Yeah. Nothing. And, and I, I'm not trying to promote anybody, but I, I found that on YouTube, right? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:01:19):
Well, and I've seen, I've seen of course, UN Reddit too. A lot of people talk about it as a way of getting a more modern operating system on there. I'm very, I'm always nervous about recommending that on this show, cuz I don't want to get normal people in, I get it in a, in a bad situation. But if you feel comfortable doing it. Yeah. I think it's a good idea. I think it's Mac research.org. If you wanna know more about it it's from the folks at do we'll put a actually Mac research has an article about it, which I'm gonna put the show notes in the show notes, cuz it's a good article explaining how to do it, including the,

Caller 4 (01:01:53):
And it it's super step by step. It's very easy to do. You can base basically not know much what to do because it's all gooey now. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:02:02):
Which is great. That's a lot easier. Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:02:05):
A lot. And it does everything. You just follow the procedure and then you, and it boots up. It boots up. Totally. You can't tell the difference. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:02:13):
Cool. I appreciate you sharing that with us. Thank you, John.

Caller 4 (01:02:17):
Enjoy.

Leo Laporte (01:02:18):
Yeah, you too. Yeah. You know, I'm I was, I'm aware of it. I just always nervous about recommending that kind of thing to normal people. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:02:28):
Even if you say, you know, it's open source, I think about what if a bunch of people got together who were working on this open source project and said, you know what, let's do something nefarious with this just because it's open source doesn't necessarily mean that's all the, the code is gonna get caught. That's doing ne ferry. I just, I, I have trouble trusting any of that stuff. I would, I would never wanna log in on my bank on it. I, I would be constantly worried that there was something in there that's not good.

Leo Laporte (01:02:50):
The the other side of that is people often say, why do you spend so much money on Macintosh hardware who could just take a PC, a cheap PC and make a hack andto and this is by the way related community, this hack andto community. And again, fine. I think it's a great thing to do. I wouldn't do it on a production machine maybe. It's just not for normal people. Yeah. Just it's for it's for, but this is the beauty of computing. I mean and, and, you know, they use the word hacking. It often is used to imply kind of doing something bad, wrong, illegal malicious. It's not, it's just taking stuff that was designed to do one thing and making it do something else. And that's how we get, that's how we make progress in the computer industry. I don't, I don't have any problem with it at all. I just would I reluctant to recommend it. That's all. But if you, you know, it's good for you to know about it. We'll put links exactly to Dorta or Dita, the people who put this together and an article on how to do it and all that stuff. And again, just, you know, by her beware by her beware by the way, dotta is not affiliated with Frito Le or Pepsi.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:02):
Good to know

Leo Laporte (01:04:04):
All product names, trademarks and registered trademarks and property they're respective owners. I think they say that because it sounds a little bit like Doritos. I don't know. Ah, D O R T a N. I,

Mikah Sargent (01:04:13):
I think it sounds more like Daran,

Leo Laporte (01:04:16):
They're the folks that do Hacka is they're open core is what makes it possible install Monterey on, on other devices. I, I am more comfortable trusting apple, something. The Chapman says, well, you just more comfortable trusting apple. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (01:04:32):
I am. I, I don't find anything wrong with that.

Leo Laporte (01:04:35):
Yeah, that's right.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:38):
You know, I've got siblings who like to hack their, I phones and yeah. Jill break their

Leo Laporte (01:04:43):
Iphones. I don't recommend that either. Not

Mikah Sargent (01:04:45):
Gonna do

Leo Laporte (01:04:45):
That

Mikah Sargent (01:04:45):
Either.

Leo Laporte (01:04:46):
No, we're just, you know what, just think of us as corporate chills. We're. We're just in the back pockets of the big tech,

Mikah Sargent (01:04:52):
My windows machine. I wouldn't run some third party thing either. No. So I'm most people trusting Microsoft than some third party thing. So

Leo Laporte (01:05:00):
Our security guy, Steve Gibson's always is talking about these little patches from this company that says, well, Microsoft didn't fix it. So we're gonna make a little patch. I said, Steve, you're the security guy. And you're recommending go some company that makes a little patch. He said, oh yeah, these guys are good. I said, really? You know them? No, but they're good. They do good stuff. And did we not just have the, the, he was actually just talking about this, that the person who was working on some open source software. Yeah. No publish. Yeah. Publish something in there that ruined. That was an interesting story. It was ruining Russians systems. So this is a very popular open source tool called no to JS, which is used many, many, many websites. One of the contributors, one of the mainstay guys modified his little library to look, to see if you had a Russian internet address.

Leo Laporte (01:05:50):
And if you did it to raised your data and replace it with a heart emoji I'm yeah. I'm not a fan of the, the Russian war in Ukraine. No, of course not. But that's maybe going a little too far. Yeah. Especially as was pointed out. A lot of the times the folks using these packages are trying to actively work against the Russian government. It's going a little too far. Now, if it had Putin's IP address, that's another matter entirely eighty eight, eighty eight S Leo, that's the phone number? Leo Laporte Mike, take in your calls and answering your questions and I'll leave it at that patch in your files. Stay right here.

Leo Laporte (01:06:48):
Was this a request from a professor? Laura. Mikah? I don't think it is. Although maybe I've said it before. I really like this song. Yeah, me too. I could tell you were dancing. Yeah. Eighty eight, eighty eight asked the phone number, Mike, a sergeants with me. Leo. Laporte your tech guys on the radio today? Somebody in the chat room mentioned a Sahi Linux. I should mention that. That is a you know, apple, when it came out with its own processors made it very hard to run Linux impossible. Shall we say to run Linux on a Mac it's own always been a little tricky, cuz apple has its own hardware. Doesn't make drivers for any other operating system. So it takes a lot of effort on the part of the enthusiast community, but there is a finally a Linux. It sort of not fully, but sort of works on M one Macintosh's Hector Martin started this last year when when the M one S came out actually little little earlier than that even two years ago. And he's got his first releases out now came out a few days ago. Alpha means it do not. Everything works. Some things don't work well at all is I think you're never gonna have it work quite as well as Mac OS, which is designed for the hardware. But if you're, you know, a lot of, I have to admit as a Linux user, a lot of us are looking and I think windows users might feel the same way. Looking at this apple M one chip saying, boy, we would like something like that.

Leo Laporte (01:08:17):
Could we have something like that? Intel, somebody AMD, a little, something like that. Just a little taste, just a

Leo Laporte (01:08:24):
Little taste they're working on it. I'm sure Eric's on the line from Bakersfield, California. Our next caller. Hi Eric.

Caller 5 (01:08:30):
Hey Leo. How's it going?

Leo Laporte (01:08:31):
It's going great. How are you

Caller 5 (01:08:34):
With one exception? I'm okay with that exception. I'm not, and

Leo Laporte (01:08:37):
I bet you that exception is why you're calling me.

Caller 5 (01:08:41):
Nah, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, it's definitely UN good. And I've had a very upset stomach for two weeks as a result of it. So,

Leo Laporte (01:08:48):
Oh no, what's going on.

Caller 5 (01:08:50):
Well, I was trying some try before you by software and it turns out that one of them must have been malware because master password for my, and my girlfriend's last pass got stolen. Oh no, locked up. Now I'm a free user. And I thought, you know, our website's gonna help you. So I thought I'd be cheap, which is stupid and said, okay, well their website isn't helping. And what's happening is for my girlfriend's case, it'll send an email to her with a link. And it says, you know, to the page that says, click here to start your recovery. And that takes you to a page that says, please, to begin with, put your email in. So it goes in circles. In my case, the person added a mobile phone, new mobile phone number to my, which means that like idiots, they don't send the code to the email that cannot be changed. They send it to the mobile phone. Yeah. And if nothing else, I'm here to plead with them to please stop that and always send it to the email. And if you want send it to the mobile phone,

Leo Laporte (01:09:52):
Send it to both. I know what I can send it to both. Yeah. Although the bad guy could have changed. I guess the email it's harder to change, right?

Caller 5 (01:09:59):
No you can't because that's what your accounts.

Leo Laporte (01:10:01):
Yeah. That's your account name. Yeah. I've

Caller 5 (01:10:04):
They would upgrade me, you know send me a link to reset and I would upgrade and I guarantee you after this I'll, you know, pay for the annual subscription. Yeah. But they don't basically respond to that at all.

Leo Laporte (01:10:15):
So first of all, let me explain why this is disaster. Last pass is your password vault. That's where you store passwords to everything else. If somebody gets access to that, then they have access to everything. What do you know what the malware was? Cuz that's a dis that's a terrible thing.

Caller 5 (01:10:37):
It was was several different programs. I tried to search your computer because the windows fine thing is terrible. And I wanted something that would search a bit better. I have four or five of 'em. I tried and I haven't had the nerve to temporarily install them to find the name

Leo Laporte (01:10:51):
And you, and okay. So we don't know which one, but that's important. The other thing is of course, and you didn't do this just for future reference, always use second factor authentication and don't do it through last pass. They offer an authenticator, but do it through Google authenticator, a Microsoft authenticator. My favorite AIE from Twilio use a third party authenticator because then even if the people get your master password, they don't have that 32nd one time password. It changes every 30 seconds to get in. So had you had a two factor on there that would've protected you as well? Just future for future reference? We know that. Oh yeah.

Caller 5 (01:11:31):
Yeah. I won't be forgetting that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:11:34):
I actually, I'm so nervous. I don't use last pass anymore. They were a sponsor for years, but and I used them for maybe a dozen years when they first came out, but they were so I don't know if you know this, they were sold to log me in. Oh yeah. And then log me in sold has now spun them off again. So I think in the transition it's paw possible. I know a number of the people who I knew that worked there are gone. It's possible that they've maybe lost their way or just maybe they're in the middle of a transition and can't do the support they need to. But I, I use bit warden now, but the reason I but I, I not only do two-factor, I do it with a UBI key. I'm holding up. You can't see it cuz it's the radio Leo, but I'm holding up the the UBI key, which a little thing that's on my key chain.

Leo Laporte (01:12:18):
And without this, you can't get into my password vault and that makes it even more difficult for a bad guy to steal your passwords. That's the, you know, there's two things you absolutely need to lock down with every ounce of your, every fiber of your being. One is your password vault. The other is your email. Cuz get, if you get those, if somebody gets those, if they got into your email, then they can get the reset messages and all that stuff. So it's really important. You lock those two down. I'm not here to lecture you that's, that's not what I'm here for.

Caller 5 (01:12:49):
No, I've listened to you since 2004. So I'm definitely familiar with what you're supposed to do and didn't quite right.

Leo Laporte (01:12:55):
Yeah. It's okay. I'm not, I'm not lecturing you. I'm sympathetic. That's terrible. 

Caller 5 (01:13:01):
I guess I'm asking anybody who can contact last pass to let them know that some of us would like their help and they really could do it rather easily. I am

Mikah Sargent (01:13:09):
Seeing last pass support on Twitter. That's at last pass. Help is pretty, always

Leo Laporte (01:13:15):
Use Twitter for

Mikah Sargent (01:13:16):
This stuff, stuff. And that way you would end up speaking to a human being that may be able to help you where going through the process on the email or on yeah. Via email or via the website is not working for you last pass, help on Twitter. And

Leo Laporte (01:13:31):
When you Twitter do that in the tweet put, I just talked to at Leo Laport about this

Mikah Sargent (01:13:38):
Sincerely

Leo Laporte (01:13:39):
On the radio in front of a million other people. So you might wanna help me cuz is it's funny cuz honestly I don't know if Twitter is really the place that a company's, you know, reputation can be be smuch it's such a se pool as it is. But you know, I would think getting a mention on a radio show that millions of people are listening to would be worse. But frankly, every company in the world treats Twitter as like the one place you don't want bad PR. So give 'em some bad PR there they will respond. I promise you. That's great advice. I hope

Caller 5 (01:14:13):
So.

Leo Laporte (01:14:13):
Yeah. I hope so too.

Caller 5 (01:14:15):
Wanna thank you for well over a decade of great listening and TWiT and all the good stuff there. I've really enjoyed it.

Leo Laporte (01:14:21):
Thank you, Eric. Let me know how it works out cuz that's a, that's a bad situation. Oh

Caller 5 (01:14:26):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:14:26):
Thank you. Good luck Leo Laport. Mike is Sargent you're tech guys.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:33):
It's gotta be my worst nightmare.

Leo Laporte (01:14:35):
You love it. Grimes says

Mikah Sargent (01:14:38):
She hacked.

Leo Laporte (01:14:41):
Who was it? She said she hacked. Oh, Hey Johnny jet. Hey, how are you guys? We are great. How are you? Oh, what's that? I have to read

Mikah Sargent (01:14:52):
You this a metal thing with a, a map on it.

Leo Laporte (01:14:55):
Oh this is a cart.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:56):
Oh, it's cool.

Leo Laporte (01:14:57):
It's a airline

Mikah Sargent (01:14:58):
Like an airline cart. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:15:00):
Yeah. Food cart. It's a food cart from the airplane, but it has the maps on it. You can, you can design it any way you want. And they sent it to me. That's

Mikah Sargent (01:15:07):
Fun.

Leo Laporte (01:15:09):
So I love it. I actually let me find their website spacing on the name. I got a letter from Kenneth in the Loock jail. Back on February 12th, you were talking to Johnny Jed about traveling someplace. And you said something like we should be able to travel more masks work and vaccines work. Well, Leo not sure how to break this to you, but masks and vaccines do not prevent a person from catching or spreading the virus. The vaccine if taken early enough might prevent you from getting as sick and keep you outta the hospital. But you could still catch and spread the virus. Yes, that's true. The masks, as far as the virus goes, are nothing more than face decorations. They do absolutely nothing to the virus. The virus particles pass right through them. Sign Kenneth lump park prison. Next time he goes, get an operation. Makes sure that the surgeon doesn't wear, make sure the surgeon doesn't wear a mask cuz they go right through surgeons. Yeah. I mean I get these, I get these comments all the time. I

Mikah Sargent (01:16:14):
Know.

Leo Laporte (01:16:16):
Well it's my skycar.com. I'm not sure why

Mikah Sargent (01:16:21):
Skycar.Com. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:16:23):
So people have 'em set up as like bars and things like that for when their friends come over and they sent it to me in the beginning of the pandemic. So I should actually move it to when we start entertaining again, which we haven't. But although my sister-in-law was just, just left this morning, she was here for the first time. If I'm at a party and Sony rolls out a tray, a cart from the airplane and says, would you coffee, tea?

Mikah Sargent (01:16:49):
I, I would laugh and be like, you know what? This is quirky and fun.

Leo Laporte (01:16:53):
Oh, it's awesome. I mean, I'm an aviation geek. We went to in and out burger the other day with the kids, right by lax. They have the best plane spotting. And I have my big camera take somebody. On one of the shows was talking about plane spotting. He likes this YouTube I think his aunt likes this YouTube video plane spotting. And I said, yeah, it's the, is it the in and out burger Johnny that you go to for the best plane spotting into lax? Definitely. Right. There's also proud. The proud bird, which is good. It's it's a better scene if you're gonna like want to sit outside, have a little better or food, but it's not as close. It's just like maybe a hundred yards further in and out in and out. They're all they're basically. I mean you can get yourself a double, double, some fries, animal style, go out in the patio. Watch those jumbo jets take off, you know that's America.

Leo Laporte (01:17:49):
See Anthony Bourdain said once said his favorite restaurant in LA was that in and out. He was not a known gourmet. He was a, a foodie, but not a gourmet. Well, you know, I actually went to his oh, I know you went to the island. I know took, came, came and cook. I know hung out with him. He was so, oh man, I'm so jealous. I hugely admire the man. No in no way. Am I dissing him like that? Dude's a legend. He's been everywhere. He is going back on the road. Johnny jet, our traveling guy, Johnny jet.com. His newsletters are there. They're free subscribe. You can book flights there. Get special deals. You should follow 'em on Twitter and Instagram too. And of course listen to 'em every week right here. Hello Johnny. Hello Leo. Thanks for the plug. You actually can't book on my website, but you can't.

Leo Laporte (01:18:42):
You used to be able to didn't you, you used, yeah, we used to have the search engine where we used. We still do. It takes you to other sites like Expedia. Oh, you can't book you. Okay. For sure. And that's what you want to do when you're trying to find go there first. Yeah. You want, you want to go to all different sites? I mean, there's not one and if you're flying Southwest airlines, you have to go to southwest.com. You can't find it on Google flight. Yeah. They screwed it for all of us. Definitely. I, I like to use Google flights cuz it's so easy and you can choose and then you have at least have to go to SWA as well. Right? Definitely. If you're looking for those, by the way I was supposed to be coming to you, I thought I was gonna be coming to you from Connecticut to visit my dad.

Leo Laporte (01:19:19):
But airfares have jumped in this past week. I'm talking for cash and four miles. Normally I can fly LA to New York for, you know, well, two months ago I could fly for $99 each way. Now it's like 400. Well, yeah, because the price of fuel is sky rocketing. No, that's not because of fuel it's cuz of demand. Oh, fuel is definitely is gonna add to it. But right now it's demand. It takes a while for the fuel cost to go up down the pipeline. You mean? No, I mean, it all depends on the airline. I know at the pump gone up, but I, you know, oh definitely those guys can. I mean, and they're not even, they don't even bring it down when the, when the fuel price goes down. Right. But for airlines, some airlines hedge, not a lot these days, I think Southwest still does a little bit, but they buy fuel ahead of time at a lower price or they, they buy futures.

Leo Laporte (01:20:10):
That kind of thing to make sure they definitely. Yeah, but my point is you know, you should have bought last week, but if you haven't, you're gonna have to start working out little tricks. I talked about 'em last week. One great way is setting a fair alert. So, you know, I have fair alerts set right now for places that I'm dates when I want to go. And actually I was just able to book some flights to Toronto for Christmas 6,000 miles each way on American, which is an incredible deal. I mean 6,000 miles. That's nothing. That's nothing. So, you know, start looking for Christmas right now, if you're gonna use your miles, but cash, it was expensive. So that's why I was like, I'm gonna use my miles. And anyway, I just booked four tickets for under 28,000 miles, which I sometimes pay for one ticket. Yeah. Actually, you know, you're gonna fly to Toronto. You're gonna get 3,500 miles just for going there. Yeah. I like to go to New York today or yesterday. It was 50,000 coach for one way. I could, sometimes we're talking miles, not dollars by the way. Just so you understand. Yeah. It's not $50,000 to fly to New York. Well you never know what inflation.

Leo Laporte (01:21:17):
I hope not. We're gonna fly. I guess we have to fly to a Seattle for the TWiT cruise in July. Seattle's not far from here though. It it two hours. Yeah. Two hour flight. It will be, will be expensive. No, but I mean, well you know what? San Francisco LA, those flights jumped this week. They, I think triple the price. So lock in, lock 'em in. Just keep monitoring it. If you, if it's a good price, buy it in advance. If it's not set that fair alert. So, and I'll tweak that out. Do they go down so they can go down, right? Oh, are you kidding me? They go down. They go up and down, like by the hour. How do you, where do you set the fair alert? What do you recommend? Well, there's number of websites. I use Google flights.

Leo Laporte (01:21:59):
Kayak. Has it fair compare? Has it, do you have to do it? When you're booking the flight or you just say, I want this flight keep, keep me me posted. If the price goes down, definitely you don't. And then when the price goes down, what do you do? You go to the airline and say, look, the price went down. No, no, no, no. You just book it. You get an alert from that. Oh, so you don't buy, you don't get the ticket yet. You wait, you wait. Got it. Yeah. You don't buy. Cause it's like $150 to change. So it'd be better to not book it. But then when you give a up, no, no, no. They, they wa they, they waive, they, the change you win, you win United. I'm gonna pay the fair. You, you, they waive the change fee now.

Leo Laporte (01:22:38):
Yes, that was that's the beauty of, so you should book it. The only silver lining of the the pandemic is that the major airlines in the us waive the change fees. So that way, if, you know, if you do have to COVID, you won't fly before you would fly because you didn't wanna spend that 150 to $500 depending on the airline. So definitely set these fair alerts. I'm confus find out. Okay. Okay. So let's say you wanna go San Francisco? Should I book, or should I not book? If it's a good, fair buy it? How do I know? Not if it's not, don't buy it and just set a fair alert, so, and say, okay, but what if it doesn't go down? Well, then you, you it's like going to Vegas. You're what if it goes up? It could, and it might these days it is going up.

Leo Laporte (01:23:23):
And so I should book it, it lock it in. And if it goes down, I can, without a fee, without a change fee, I could change it. Yes. With most airlines airlines, your mileage may vary. Yeah. Right. They, they will give you some will give you a refund. And and the Southwest has always been like this. That's why Southwest never had change fees. So it would be, it would be, even if it's a high price book, it, at least you have, have the ticket and then put the fair alert. And then if it goes down, you can change it. But you gotta watch your fair alerts. Cuz if it goes down, it doesn't go down forever. Right. Listen, I set fair alerts for after I book it as well, just because I can get a refund. I'm just gonna drive to Seattle. Forget it.

Leo Laporte (01:24:03):
I'm just driving. It's fine. I'm gonna, I don't mean to make it confusing at all. I'm hoping, I'm just trying to say people money. OK. But, and actually I have a post go on viral right now because two airlines have canceled flights to Alaska actually. Oh, that's just what I wanna hear. Iceland air. Yeah. And they had, but the crazy part about it is I have a, that that has alerted me and I wrote about it and their reservation agents aren't showing it and my source is not wrong. And part of the reason this is airline, part of the reason is they can't fly over Russia, right? No, no. Not, not for Iceland air. They're not going over Russia. Okay. They're I do know that like their flights to Asia, they have to, to re Rero and it's thousands, more miles and many more hours.

Leo Laporte (01:24:50):
Definitely. I mean, fan air really took a hit with this, but you know, United canceled their flights to India because they can't flow over can't flow Russia. Yeah. But my point is actually I have a couple points. I wrote a, I wrote a post saying, listen, no matter when you're flying, but especi now make sure you monitor your flights, make sure that your information in your reservation, your contact information, phone number and email are correct. And if the, if the airline emails, you read it. So many, my readers email me and say, listen, I got an email, but I, I thought it was a sales, a sales call. That's part of the problem is half of the emails I get from the airlines. Oh, are they are gotta read em because they could have, they could cancel your route. They could change your airports or the dates or the flight times, or even your seat sign.

Leo Laporte (01:25:36):
Gotta tell don't last minute. Cuz the spam filter goes well, nine outta 10 times. This is usually sir. Bam. And then I miss the one that is not useless. Oh yeah. But make sure you're contacting for correct. And even if it's not just keep checking your reservation. I go into my reservation, you know, a month before, even a month after I book it and definitely a few days before, see, I don't wanna be a nervous Nellie, but it sounds like that you should be a nervous one. You have to be if, if you have to be, I mean mean if you wanna make sure everything's smooth. Yeah. You know, I, when I fly, I pick routes where I can get, you know, certain seats. Like I, when I'm flying coach with my kids, I wanna be in the bulkhead. We get the first row, the most leg room or not leg room, but most space for at least the kids like run around a little bit and not bother people.

Leo Laporte (01:26:20):
Most expensive flight I ever took was return from Dubai to San Francisco with my wife because we arrived at the airport a day after it left. Oh yeah. Okay. So we had to buy another ticket from Dubai to San Francisco. Ow. Didn't get the money back for the first one, either out that was an expensive flight. See if I'd been a little bit more of a nervous Nellie, like when are we leaving? What day I would've noticed that we aren't supposed to be here right now or, and, and, and with time changes, it's a problem. And sometimes these, oh, I got confused. Use military time, you know, I got confused. Our travel agent said, I'm gonna book you the extra day. So you don't have cuz it's a late night flight. So you can stay in the hotel. You don't have to book it, check, check out.

Leo Laporte (01:27:05):
You could take a nap and then leave like at nine or 10 for your midnight flight. But I saw that we had a night booked. I thought, oh well we were not leaving. Oh boy had a nice. I remember. I, I, I remember that was no fun. That's all right. No, no, that's fine. Next time I'm driving to Dubai. I'm just saying that's all good luck on that. Johnny jet.com. That's the website airlines cancel flights to Alaska as the hot viral article. You can read that so much more subscribed to his new letters, newsletters. And he joins us every week right here. Thank you Johnny. Thank you. Next time. I'm driving home.

Leo Laporte (01:27:44):
It's actually the most expensive meal we ever had because when we were supposed to be going to the airport, we instead said, let's go have a nice meal at the fancy hotels. Bur no, no we weren't saying at the Burr we were staying oh, it was really nice, but it was a little outta town. So it was cheaper. I think it was called the no, no that's not right. It was a good hotel. I can't remember. I think it was a Mandarin or something, but anyway, it was a very good hotel. Very nice. And they had a really fancy Japanese restaurant on the roof with a beautiful view. We should have been on the plane. We were enjoying a nice meal, went to bed that night. I went to the airport the next day and they said there, there was this kind of, we get to the counter and there's, and guy's looking at the ticket. He's getting come here. All these people are gathering. What's the matter, what's it matter? He said your flight was yesterday, my friend.

Leo Laporte (01:28:41):
And they, they, they made you buy a whole new ticket. They'd even refund the other one, but they, they couldn't do anything. They said because your travel agent booked it is that one. Yeah. They couldn't do anything. They said you have to call. So I, I called the travel agent. Fortunately, thank you. Travel store. They had somebody on duty who worked wonders to get us another flight that night. So we didn't have to go back, get another room and all that stuff, but it ended up being a lot of money, but that's okay. I, I, it's just my, you can't take it with you. You can't take it with you. You know, I didn't get to mention that this week. I'm, I'm not sure if you're talking about how Arizona is now allowing Dr. Their the TSA is allowing you to use your driver's license with your apple ID.

Leo Laporte (01:29:25):
Yeah. We didn't talk about that. The TSA does it as well. That's good. I didn't know that about that. Yeah. I knew that right now. Just Arizona had turned that on. Yeah. At Phoenix airport. Yeah. But other states are coming and the next in the next I got, even though immediate had a real ID when I had to get my driver's license reissued. So I have many ways of getting on an airplane. Just have to make sure I'm the airport. You don't even need your, that sounds nefarious. I have many, many ways of getting on an, in many ways. Do you have a California bear on your driver's license? I do have a real ID. Then you have a real ID. Yeah, I don't. You don't. I just use my pad. I don't, I have passport. I forgot. I forgot my W2 form or something. I brought my wife's instead and I was like, I'm not gonna go back. Leo. Laporte the tech guy and this young cat over here. Mike is Sargent we're taking your calls. 88 88. Ask Leo. That's the phone number? Eighty eight eight eight two seven five five three six. Cheryl, on the line from Los Angeles. Hi Cheryl.

Caller 6 (01:30:24):
Hi. Hi, Mike is Leo

Leo Laporte (01:30:26):
Welcome.

Caller 6 (01:30:29):
I was super excited to hear Leo that you had a Microsoft expert on the line with you because I have a Microsoft issue. Okay. and I'm blaming it on Microsoft because they're my primary place that I'm doing email and my calendars. So my issue, my issue is this. I have an apple phone. I have a Gmail account and I have office 365.

Leo Laporte (01:31:03):
Okay. It's quite a mixed marriage. I don't know. Okay. Go ahead.

Caller 6 (01:31:07):
Exactly. And I think that the kids are not playing Nike on

Leo Laporte (01:31:11):
The field.

Caller 6 (01:31:15):
So my issue is that first I had my phone hooked up so that I was getting the link between outlook calendar to my phone calendar. Okay. And then I like Johnny jet loved to travel. So I was going to Ireland with my very good friend. And I said, okay, I'm not gonna bring my computer with me. I'm go really advanced technology and I'm gonna bring my iPad. Okay. So I decided to also connect my calendar and my email to my iPad all heck break loose. So I literally ended up having to delete the iPad. I, I have gone back and forth, deleting things from my, my iPhone. I've gone on blogs to try and figure out what to do. I've done. I think it's called an ICS calendar to download my calendar and send it to my Gmail address. I'm just wondering if there's another system. Like, I think there's a purchasable Microsoft system, cuz I do really like Excel. Is there purchasable system that might work better between the, the different softwares?

Leo Laporte (01:32:43):
So Cheryl, we gotta go back. You said all heck broke loose. Can you tell us a little bit more about what the heck was that broke loose? Cause that'll help us figure out what's going on here.

Caller 6 (01:32:52):
Yeah. I like literally nothing after I connected my iPad, nothing was showing up on my iPhone. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:33:00):
So let me just clarify your goal. Should you have one is to get your calendars and I presume address book too, right? To match everywhere.

Caller 6 (01:33:10):
Address book and, and email,

Leo Laporte (01:33:12):
Email calendars, email address, book on and your emails, Gmail, but your calendars and address book are an outlook. Is that right?

Caller 6 (01:33:21):
Well, no I, so I do, I, it is Gmail. That's, you know, the server that I use, but I, I go into outlook to do all of my email. Yes. Got

Leo Laporte (01:33:30):
My folder. So, so just to be clear, outlook is what we call a client. That's the front end. But your email is actually going to Gmail. It's a front end to your Gmail. So your, your mail is in Gmail, mail, your context and address book or an outlook. And you would like it all to appear on your iPad. 

Caller 6 (01:33:49):
And my iPhone

Leo Laporte (01:33:50):
And your iPhone. I can step in here. I was gonna, shall I step in, go ahead. Shall I step in your suggestion? All, any of these systems, all three of them have their own calendars address, book and email, and will synchronize with any of the above. In fact, when you sign in on your iPad, you can choose among accounts to have a Gmail account. And in when you set up your Gmail account on your iPad, you log into your Google account on your iPad. You'll notice there's a list that then shows up of all the things you can sync with Gmail, including mail, address and contact. If you check that box, then suddenly that becomes the locus for all of that information. And your iPad will then make sure that its calendar gets populated. There its address book gets populated there and the mail program gets populated there. So then it then since you're, since you don't have it all in Gmail, yet you might wanna do the same thing with outlook, which is to sync to Gmail. Now the only hitch in this, unfortunately, is it you're talking about Microsoft offices outlook. Cause there are, unfortunately, Microsoft uses the word outlook way too many different ways. There's outlook.com, which is an email service, the old Hotmail. But there's also outlook the program which you get with Microsoft office. That's what you're talking about.

Caller 6 (01:35:13):
Yes, exactly. The second one.

Leo Laporte (01:35:15):
So, and this I'm may be out of date on this, but in the past you've had to buy a synchronization tool to use with outlook and Gmail. Really. It didn't actually do this automatically, which is extremely annoying. You can get your Gmail in outlook, but to synchronize calendar and address. And by the way, I would recommend, I don't know what you do, Mikah, but I would recommend using Gmail or Google as the one true calendar address book and email system since your email's already there. Right? So there is a workspace sync, I guess Google has solved this by offering Google works. Oh, but you have to have a Google workspace account. That's the pro that's the paid account. Yeah. Presume you do not that you're not using the office, the Google suite workspace suite. You're just using free Google. Right?

Caller 6 (01:36:05):
Right. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:36:06):
Okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:36:07):
If you're okay with having multiple calendars on your account, you can set each of these up independently. So for example, I've got a where

Leo Laporte (01:36:16):
We wanna get her outlook, calendar and address book into Gmail.

Mikah Sargent (01:36:20):
Oh. So you're tr you're purposely trying to sync with Gmail. It's not that you just want your phone to have access to all of this.

Leo Laporte (01:36:26):
Well, her that's the problem,

Caller 6 (01:36:27):
Right? I, I am. I'm purposely syncing into Gmail and I literally, right now I have three calendars on my phone and I work, you know, I'm I'm you

Leo Laporte (01:36:39):
Want one? I understand. Yeah. Yeah. You want one? I want one. So apple does allow you to synchronize all of them. There is sometimes a risk of duplication the first time, especially in your address book, that's where the real risk is, but you can synchronize them all and on the iPhone and the iPad,

Caller 6 (01:36:56):
Not I, but they're not. And, and I did go through and, you know, click on, you know, use Gmail as the primary and good nothing would ever sink

Leo Laporte (01:37:10):
Because outlook doesn't go into Gmail without some help. So if you've been putting stuff in outlook, calendar and address book, it won't automatically go to Gmail until you set that up. Does that make sense? Is that where you're, is that where the stuff you're missing is, is an outlook.

Caller 6 (01:37:32):
Well, I have stuff in outlook cuz I, you know, work off of my laptop. Yeah. And it never drops into the, my email. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:37:43):
So you have to set up and this is unfortunate. Thank you Microsoft. Cuz apple does it fine. Apple sees Gmail in the Google calendar and the Google account address book and copies it all. It even integrates it into your apple calendar. So you there's no problem having it be an iCloud and being part of your apple account as well. I do that. And that's why I like Google because Google works with everything. Outlook is the problem. So

Caller 6 (01:38:07):
Yes, I agree.

Leo Laporte (01:38:08):
You need to, you need a way to sync outlook with Google and I, the last time I look, but I'm gonna, we gotta find this. Mikah is the last time I looked, you had to pay for a solution and I wanna find a way that is free. That is not Microsoft.

Caller 6 (01:38:28):
What is the, what is the amount you have to pay for the solution? Because if I could

Leo Laporte (01:38:34):
Pay in a well and there and these third party solutions are often not very good. All right. Let me see here. Here's an article. How to sync? I don't wanna sync Google calendar. Outlook. I wanna sync outlook. Okay. Go to outlook. Login, select the gear icon on the rollout menu. Select view, all outlook settings. It looks like you can now PO oh the I want you to publish it. Yeah. That's that's it. So that's not syncing, but at least it becomes a calendar in Google called outlook. We'll have all your outlook dates. It's not what I don't think that's ideal.

Caller 6 (01:39:07):
My settings for publishing are also great out.

Leo Laporte (01:39:11):
Oh, nice. Hang on. We gotta take a break. We're gonna, we're gonna solve this because, but we gotta take a break for news. Leo Laport, the tech guy. This has always been my problem with outlook. He doesn't like to play with others. I don't, I don't use outlook for that very reason, but we're gonna solve this for you. We are we just have to take a break. Awesome. Yeah. Listeners of this program get an ad free version. If they're members of club TWiT $7 a month gives you ad free versions of all of our shows plus membership in the club, TWiT discord, a great clubhouse for TWiT listeners. And finally the TWiT plus feed with shows like Stacy's book club, the untitled Lenox show, the GIZ fizz and more go to twi.team V slash club Twitter. And thanks for your support. So the trick. So if you, if you didn't have outlook, if you had nothing in outlook, your Gmail, your Google address, book, your contacts are syncing with your iPad and iPhone. Everything's a synchronization, right? It's all fine. It's the stuff that's in outlook. You don't have. Is that right?

Caller 6 (01:40:15):
Pretty much. Yeah. Cause and I, I love the outlook calendar. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:40:19):
There's your mistake by the way. Never love outlook. So what we gotta do, it's easy to get Gmail calendar and address book into outlook, but it's a little harder to get it out of outlook into Gmail. And I think the published solution is not a good solution cuz it's not a sync solution. It just creates a new calendar called outlook. What you'd like is a work calendar. That's the same on iPad, iPhone, Google and your outlook and it's all the same appointments, right? Yeah. So the first thing to do is take, make a backup of your outlook calendar and your outlook address book. You can export it and do that so that if it does whatever we do here, screws it up, which it might cuz a lot of times you get duplicates, you can go back to the way it is now.

Leo Laporte (01:41:11):
Okay. Okay. So do that, that backup, which should be fairly easy. Now we're getting a lot of suggestions from the charm. So we're gonna have to review these. Yeah. And what I'm seeing is so many of them are going to that same publish in the end. That's not a good solution. In the past there have been tools. Yeah. And that's what I was trying to find that you install that are little sync. Even that never was a great idea cuz it just, it never did a good job of that. But we're gonna find we're gonna we're we're looking at all the different suggestions from the chat room right now, by the way, if this sounds like we're confused, Cheryl it's because we are syncing the best tools to outlook calendar with outlook. This is a program called calendar sync for outlook and Google calendar. This is one of those third party tools it's from P P P india.com and Mike, Mike B and I just found an open source tool. Oh that would be better on GitHub. Okay. and it offers synchronization between outlook and Google going both ways. Honestly, I know you love your outlook Cal. You're not willing to give up your outlook calendar. Right.

Caller 6 (01:42:26):
You know, I, I might have to try to move to Google cuz that just seems to be so seamless. But what I love about outlook is I can have of sub folders. And you know, the, the setup of it, the layout of it is just lovely in comparison to Google it's Google is kind of mish monitor. It's

Leo Laporte (01:42:43):
Ugly. I agree

Caller 6 (01:42:44):
On a laptop.

Leo Laporte (01:42:45):
I agree. And, and Apple's calendar is kind of scant features. It's just very basic. So I agree with you. There's nothing like outlook in that respect, which is, I think why people use outlook, frankly. Yeah. it's I'm it's I'm not a favor. It's not a favorite of mine because it is kind of siloed. Microsoft really has yet to make it easy to integrate with everything else, you know, they should do what Google does, which is just say, look fine. You can, you can sync this stuff. Now if you on your iPad or your iPhone, let me think though. No, see that's adding an outlook account. That's not synchronizing with outlook. The program Microsoft has to make this easy. There has to be a way to do this, understand the chat rooms saying, oh, there's all these ways you can sync Gmail to outlook.

Leo Laporte (01:43:32):
That's not the problem. Yeah. And these go the other way we wanna get outlook to data into Google and everything is saying, you gotta publish the calendar. Exactly. And publishing is not a solution. It's great out for some reason on hers. Yeah, exactly. But it's also not a good solution cuz that creates new a new calendar. I think it is partly because the, the features you just described an outlook don't have an analog in Google calendar. So Google says, well, all of that sub folder and all that. Yeah. We don't do that. So how do we, how do we interpret what you're sending us? So there, so this is one program, calendar sync it's a third party program I'm looking at, but you know, what we'll do is put the article that I'm getting all this from is that make use of which does a good job on all this stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:44:17):
This is from November of last year. So it's relatively up to date. So that six ways to sync Microsoft outlook with Google calendar, the first one they mention is free paid calendar sync for outlook and Google calendar. They also so mentioned something called outlook Google calendar sync, which is completely free. Two way. Good outlook to Google sync sync tools works on all versions of outlook from 20 2003 to 2016. This looks pretty good. It is free outlook. Let me tell you where at this from. Oh yeah. This is the GitHub that you guys found from P H w 1 98. This looks like it might be a good solution. It does say it's in beta. The last commit though was February 17th. That's a good sign. He's keeping it up to date. You're doing this on window is right. Yeah. This is windows support.

Leo Laporte (01:45:16):
Synchronizes Google outlook to Google, Google to outlook and outlook bidirectional sync with outlook. Yeah, this sounds like it. We we'll put a link in the show notes. It's kind of a long URL. We'll put a link to the make use of article, cuz that's gonna have all of the stuff that all of the six different solutions, but this open source one is free. It probably looks pretty up to date. So what you'll do is you'll install this on windows and it will then look at your outlook calendar and address book and sync it up to Google. You don't need to do anything more after that because your Apple's already syncing to Google. The so in theory everything will be up to date everywhere, the big risk and the reason I suggest backing up calendar and address book first is a lot of times when you do a, your first sync, you get duplications, especially in the address book, that could be a pain in the butt.

Speaker 17 (01:46:11):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:46:12):
I have told people in the past for address books, sunshine, which is Melissa Meyers company is actually an interesting contact list. It's it's web based, but it then syncs to everything else. And it, one of the things sunshine does, which is really nice is it goes out to Facebook and LinkedIn and other places pulls in information from those. So it keeps your calendar up to date, which is kind of cool. I'm still waiting on a invite. Oh, is this, is you still waiting? Well, that's not a good solution. Sunshine.Com. it's it's, I've used it for a while. I, you know what? You need an invite. I probably can get, get you on. You can that one. I like the idea it's web based. So you're, it's gonna download all those places, but it's gonna maybe do a better job. It also does a good job of merging duplicates, which is a big problem in general. So first thing I would do is get this all synchronized up, back it up. First thing I do is back it up, then get it all synchronized up. And if it's a mess, you can either restore from backup or you can try something like sunshine, which is an app on iOS.

Caller 6 (01:47:24):
Awesome

Leo Laporte (01:47:26):
Boy, I'm sorry. That was such hard work.

Mikah Sargent (01:47:28):
We will include links. Of course, tech guy labs.com. And I've already pulled up some that we will be posting there to help you out with this. Yeah, this, this is quite a, quite a doozy, but I imagine

Leo Laporte (01:47:38):
It's a known problem. I've answered this. The reason I jumped in is I've answered this question many times over the last 10 years. Thank you, Microsoft.

Caller 6 (01:47:47):
Absolutely. I, I remember one where you actually suggested that they start doing their emails online in, you know, on a web page. Yes. Instead of on dynamic,

Leo Laporte (01:47:58):
But that's, I understand why you don't wanna do that either. Yeah. I completely understand that. Yeah. I am with you. I, I have been here. I've done that. And I, and I it's just a pain and I, all I could say is Microsoft just really doesn't want you to do that. And I think partly it's cuz they have more features as a result, you know, they can do more than Google does. And so, you know, that's why they, they want to give you and that's why you like it. Cause you have more capability. It's really more like a CRM program like Salesforce and others where it, it, it kind of ties. You get, see all the, you know, stuff you've done with this person, all that. It's just some really nice features to it. I understand. Completely. All right. I have we helped Cheryl.

Caller 6 (01:48:45):
Yes, I think so. I especially I'll go to the show notes.

Leo Laporte (01:48:48):
Tech guide labs.com. Yeah.

Caller 6 (01:48:50):
Yeah. I'm gonna really look through there and, and see what I can do. And you also helped me before with thinking all my 4,500 songs in apple music. So

Leo Laporte (01:49:02):
Did you, did it work? Whatever I told you it did. Oh, yay. Least. I got one, one check mark. Thanks Cheryl. I appreciate your listening. Thank you so much.

Caller 6 (01:49:10):
Thank you so much, Leo take

Speaker 18 (01:49:12):
Bye. Bye.

Leo Laporte (01:49:13):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo? Laporte here with Mike as Sargent. You have two tech guys working on your problems today at eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo that's the phone number? I feel bad. Mike, I threw you the perhaps with the exception maybe of your, my printer doesn't work, call the work kind of calls we get, which I, and we get this at least once every six or seven months, somebody says I want I'm. I have to use Microsoft outlook, the standalone pro program that comes with Microsoft office, but I want it to sync with my iPhone and my Google. And it's just the worst. It's difficult to figure that out. It's just the worst. We have tracked down a number of solutions, which we put we'll put on the show notes. There'll be links there. Tech guy labs.com, tech guy labs.com. Anyway, so we spent some more time with Cheryl off the year and I think we maybe solved that. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:04):
Keeping those notes for the future. When the next person asks,

Leo Laporte (01:50:08):
I keep it right up here in my old nugget. That's how I know Randy's on the line. He's calling from Huntington beach, California. Our next caller. Hi Randy.

Caller 7 (01:50:17):
Hey, how's it going? Leo?

Leo Laporte (01:50:18):
It's great. How are you?

Caller 7 (01:50:20):
Good, good. I got a S nine plus and I wanna buy the S 22 ultra.

Leo Laporte (01:50:26):
I really it's a nice phone. What color would you get?

Caller 7 (01:50:32):
I, I got, I already decided not to

Leo Laporte (01:50:35):
Good. I need it's $1,200 that you don't need to spend. So good. Right.

Caller 7 (01:50:40):
So from my understanding is the note 10 plus with the stylist is as far as speed and you know, you can actually have the SD card, extension, memory, expandable memory and all that great stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:50:53):
That's exactly right. It's funny cuz I have my note 10 plus and, And I love it. Yep.

Caller 7 (01:51:00):
They're gonna continue to offer updates for the next three years. Yep. Security updates.

Leo Laporte (01:51:05):
Yep. Which is the most important thing when any Android, right?

Caller 7 (01:51:09):
Yes. So my question is, is what are your thoughts on that? And if I buy, supposedly it's a new one on like a SWAPA. Yeah. And 

Leo Laporte (01:51:18):
It won't be a new one if it's SWAPA it'll be, but it will be in like new condition if they say so

Caller 7 (01:51:24):
There is a company that says it is new, new open box.

Leo Laporte (01:51:28):
Yeah. Okay. They can't sell it as new because it's open box, but it's newish. Yeah. Okay. Right.

Caller 7 (01:51:35):
So is there a hack that someone can do if like, if you do a full fat factory reset and they can some somehow take control of your phone?

Leo Laporte (01:51:46):
No, I mean Mo mostly no. So I am not aware of anything with Android that will survive a full reset. Okay. But in theory, a bad guy could write to, there are parts of the operating system that are preserved over a reset, the firmware that you'd need to boot into the operating system, for instance. So in theory, somebody could put something malicious in there that reinstalls malware, every time you wipe it. But that's in theory there such things exist in the, in the computer world, in the PC world. I know of malware that installs into your video card, for instance, your graphics card and will survive a wipe that, but that it comes from somebody who is very determined, a determined attacker who's specifically targeting you. It's not the kind of thing you would do in mass, you know, to a lot of people, it takes a little time. So you're worried about buying a phone from somebody might have done something malicious like that. I would not, I would not worry about that.

Caller 7 (01:52:52):
Oh, excellent. Yeah. And I have a Microsoft question if you could.

Leo Laporte (01:52:55):
Sure. Just what we need. 

Caller 7 (01:52:57):
So thanks Mike for helping us out here. So I, I have work outlook on a work server. You know, they gimme an email and all that. And when I try to print, it prints out in the light gray where you can't even read.

Leo Laporte (01:53:12):
Ew.

Caller 7 (01:53:13):
And I looked online and I do see a lot of people having that same issue. And I was wondering if there's a workaround for that? The way I did it was is I had a actually forward the email again to myself and like create the different,

Leo Laporte (01:53:25):
Do it somewhere else. Yeah. 

Leo Laporte (01:53:29):
I think the easiest thing to do most printers will have this. So when you print in a program on most computers, they give you an abbreviated dialogue. They don't want you to have to go through all the thousands of possible printing settings. So they give you a simple dialogue, but somewhere there they'll in the box, it'll say open the full settings or open the advanced settings or open printer settings. And you can go into the printer settings. And every printer I know of, even all the color printers will allow you to print monochrome, check the box that says black and white. And that should eliminate that gray. What, what it's trying to do is give you color and you don't want that. You want black and white. So, so if it's not, if it's not visible, when you first say, you know, print, look for something in that box that says, give me the full printer settings. If not, you can go to printer setups. Sometimes that'll give it to you. But you wanna tell the printer, print the stuff from outlook. You print that in black and white, please. I don't, I don't need color. I don't gray scale. I want black text on white paper and almost all printers have that said I've never seen a printer. Doesn't have it. Let's put it that way.

Caller 7 (01:54:34):
So Leo, do you think that S that note 10 quest is worth it? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:54:38):
It's funny that you should say that because I was digging around in my phone drawer. I found the note 10. I said, boy, this looks a lot like the S 22 ultra look at that, actually a, a little bit nicer stylist. It's on the left, not the right. You're right. It has, it supports an SD card. So you can expand memory. I don't know if they'll put Android 12 on it. I think they did actually come to think of it. I updated it. Yeah. It's Android 12. So yeah, I, you know what, go for it. The camera won't be quite, you won't have the hundred zoom. Okay. Big deal.

Caller 7 (01:55:11):
I'm not gonna pay 600 bucks for

Leo Laporte (01:55:12):
No, no. So there are a few things like that, but the camera bumps aren't as noticeable either. No, I think the note 10, which isn't as old as it sounds since, you know, really that's more like the note 20, they just skipped a whole decade at one point. So it's only a couple of years old, so yeah. I think that's a good choice. In fact, I think you're very clever to, to found that I think that's smart.

Caller 7 (01:55:35):
All right. Thanks Lee. Go

Leo Laporte (01:55:36):
For it. You're welcome time. Yeah. I mean, in theory, there's all sorts of bad stuff somebody could do. So buy it from a response. Don't buy it on eBay, buy it. So you get it from SWAPA. That's fine. Any re you know, reliable source. It's fine. I think it would have, it would take somebody particularly malicious. Yes. And if you're really nerd, there are ways to completely wipe the firmware. If you go to XDA developers and, and look at hacking the note 10, you can take the boot firmware off there, replace it with T R P for instance. Torp and then I think there's nothing left on there. I called you a Torp. No, you're not. Torp you're a guide. That's what you let's take another call Randy. In Huntington beach, Leo Laport, the tech guy. Hi, Randy

Caller 8 (01:56:31):
Guys talking to you. I've got two Microsoft questions for you. One is a, a program I've used. It was a nice note taking app that synced perfectly between mobile and desktop. And then a couple months ago, the app mysteriously disappeared. So one at a time from each of Myers over the course of a week or so. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:56:50):
I hate that. Oh, how did they do that? That's weird.

Caller 8 (01:56:54):
Turn. The Microsoft wants me to develop a Microsoft count in order to get these apps back.

Leo Laporte (01:57:01):
What's the name of the app

Caller 8 (01:57:03):
Color note.

Leo Laporte (01:57:05):
Oh, yeah. Huh. okay. It's a free, it's a free Microsoft account though, right? You don't have to make a paid account.

Caller 8 (01:57:16):
Apparently. I don't know. My, my goal is to avoid I'm. I'm trying to disentangle myself from meta apple, Microsoft.

Leo Laporte (01:57:23):
I don't blame you because

Caller 8 (01:57:24):
I I'm so tired of the big techy. Yeah. and I'm, you know, I'm,

Leo Laporte (01:57:30):
I'm gonna, okay. This is a nice little note taking app. I can't understand it's not owned by Microsoft, so I don't understand why they're saying you can't do this unless, oh, you know,

Mikah Sargent (01:57:41):
What's the version in the store? The Microsoft stores.

Leo Laporte (01:57:44):
Oh, maybe it's. Yeah. Maybe that's it that you have to get from the store or they're using one drive for back end storage.

Mikah Sargent (01:57:52):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:57:54):
So maybe they,

Mikah Sargent (01:57:55):
Your desk wherever you've

Leo Laporte (01:57:56):
Got the, yeah. Maybe they've done a deal that way.

Caller 8 (01:58:00):
Oh, you see? That could make sense.

Leo Laporte (01:58:02):
Yeah. you know, who makes

Mikah Sargent (01:58:04):
A

Leo Laporte (01:58:04):
Great, my first suggestion is just make a dummy account. That's not you. That's a good

Caller 8 (01:58:08):
Idea. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:58:10):
But if it's storing on one drive and you don't wanna be in, you know, enthralled to the big tech, then you might not be happy about that. Either. There are note taking solutions that you can store locally and sink locally. I recommend it's not as colorful as color note, but it might even be more powerful program open source called obsidian. It's free from obsidian.md. You can synchronize it. It, it basically is plain text markdown files. You store on your computer, which you could then synchronize. If you wished through Dropbox one drive, they have their own sync, but you don't have to use their sync. If you wanna disconnect from big tech, you might even put it on a thumb drive and just carry it in your pocket and then connect up the thumb drive to any computer. I think obsidian is a very good free open source, not tied to big tech solution. How about that?

Caller 4 (01:59:01):
Nice. That's a I'll I'll check into that. The second is I got a message today from play protect, saying it disabled. My next SMS hand texting app saying it was a fake app. Now I've been using it

Leo Laporte (01:59:14):
For, I would trust that play protect is Google's Annie malware scanner. It's a really good idea. If they say don't use it, don't use it. What sometimes happens is good apps get bought by bad guys. And maybe that's what happened to it.

Caller 8 (01:59:31):
Well, I've been, I did a lot of searching online and the company said, Hey, there was a misidentification. Oh, okay. I've been running in a few days. Okay. 

Leo Laporte (01:59:42):
As long as play protect passes it, but I would listen to play protect when it says don't don't

Caller 8 (01:59:47):
Oh, I'm, I'm definitely going to, but I mean, it's just weird that out of the blue, this would come up and there's no way to link the message that shows up on your screen to anything official. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:59:57):
Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:59:58):
There's just suddenly this blast and there's no like click here from more inform, you know, this is definitely a message from Microsoft, nothing like that. It's just,

Leo Laporte (02:00:06):
Well, play protect is Google. It's Android. It's the play store. They use a certifications system. And it could be the company that makes that app. I know the app, it's a well known app. They just didn't update their certifi certificate. And it went out date and play protect is doing this. There's nobody to, you know, contact again. But the company has to just re-release the software with an updated cert and then you'll be okay.

Caller 8 (02:00:32):
Well that, that could be the issue. Are there other texting apps you recommend?

Leo Laporte (02:00:36):
Well, there's a million pulses. A very good one. I like that. Frankly, I'd look at Google. Oh, you don't want to be big tech. Google's Android. SM messages is quite good, but there's some concern about it in the privacy sphere that it might be phoning home. So I would, you know, signal is the king of the privacy protecting apps. Oh, okay.

Mikah Sargent (02:00:59):
The thing I'm seeing the concern is that if you do remove that app, you might lose your data. Oh, we do have a link in the chat to a place where there has been support given from handset next SMS. They said it's been misidentified as malware by Google. We're in talks with Google to get our app back to the play store. In the meantime, please keep our app and do not uninstall

Leo Laporte (02:01:17):
Do not uninstall. Cause you'll delete

Mikah Sargent (02:01:18):
The data, your data. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:01:20):
That's good to,

Mikah Sargent (02:01:21):
They actually say reach out to how@handsent.com if you want a temporary solution. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:01:30):
It may be also, there are some messaging apps you could install that would import the hand sent database, which if you could find those, that's what I would do right now. We gotta take a break. Leo Laporte Mica Sargent 88, 88, ask Leo, this is fun. We're helping people. I'm helping more, more helping coming up. Stay here. Wow. That's a scary one hand has been around forever. Yeah. I, I would not necessarily assume they're up to no good. Although, as I said, sometimes companies get sold and yeah, this is right on the frontPage@handen.com. Yep. I don't know why they'd have to be in talks with Google.

Caller 8 (02:02:12):
Yeah. I'm puzzled by all that as well. That

Leo Laporte (02:02:14):
Bugs me a little bit.

Caller 8 (02:02:19):
Yeah. 

Leo Laporte (02:02:20):
They may have, they may have pulled something.

Caller 4 (02:02:23):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:02:24):
And you know, yeah. That's really interesting. As I look at it, you know, it doesn't look like there really is anybody to phone home with.

Caller 8 (02:02:37):
Right.

Leo Laporte (02:02:39):
So I'm a little, it might looks like it's one guy, to be honest with you. So yeah. Boy, this will be a good one for all about Android, but there are plenty of good SMS plus is very good. Pulse is a lot of people use pulse is very good. There just, there's a lot of good choices out there. I think if you are privacy concerns, there's nothing as good as signal. The problem is you. I don't think you can make signal to your default messaging app. Last time I checked. I could not, which is kind of annoying. You can with handset. I presume.

Caller 4 (02:03:14):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:03:15):
Google's funny. I'm not sure what the deal is. Let me see right here. If I, I can do it. Some apps can be made default and then some can't there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason as to why not. Let me see.

Caller 8 (02:03:31):
And just assumed all text apps could be made.

Leo Laporte (02:03:33):
Yeah. One would think one would think choose default apps, SMS apps. Yeah. It's not given me other maybe cuz they don't support SMS. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I'm gonna try this. We're gonna try this beeper and see if I can do it with a beeper. We'll see. Any other suggestions for your favorite SMS app? That is not big tech for Android, anybody, anybody, anyone, anyone Buer. Man. Don't see. I don't see anything. I don't see anything. We'll keep an eye, keep it, keep listening,

Caller 8 (02:04:17):
Check into pulse and we'll see what that's like.

Leo Laporte (02:04:19):
I think you like pulse. I've used that. I like it a lot. Yeah.

Caller 8 (02:04:22):
And I've got a friend who loves this texture. Texture

Leo Laporte (02:04:25):
Is good. Another one I've used. Yep. Very good one. And all of those can be re can be used to take your becoming your default SMS textures. Great. I really do like texture as well. I would say Paul and texture are the two big competitors for this.

Caller 8 (02:04:41):
Well thank you very much. I appreciate

Leo Laporte (02:04:43):
You. Thanks for listening.

Caller 9 (02:04:44):
All right. Take

Caller 8 (02:04:45):
Care. I've been doing it since 2013. God

Leo Laporte (02:04:47):
Bless you. Thank you. Bye. Take care Signal is the one. Oh you can. Okay. I have to look at my pixel six. I wonder why that is. So this is, I'm doing it on the Samsung and I, well maybe it's not installed. Maybe that's should have checked that. First of all, It's not installed, but I have telegram on here and I can't do it with telegram, which I would also like to use. Yes. Let me install signal. That would explain it. Sh she private messenger. I don't install it on every phone cuz it's tied to an individual phone number. So you can only use it on one phone at a time. Unfortunately, that they're going to fix and good. That's annoying.

Caller 8 (02:05:51):
Oh

Leo Laporte (02:05:53):
Leo Laporte Mikah. Sargent your tech guys on the radio. 88 88. Ask Leo, try signal. On your phone. Apparently some Android phones. You can make it the default messaging app, if you can. That's the most secure, most private, most not big tech app out there. So I think is a, is a very good choice. For messaging, not me be as full featured as some of them. Although I have to say people have really, you know, responded to the features that Google and apple have added to their messaging system. And most of 'em do that. Some of 'em do even more 88 88 ask Leon Mike's on the line from Toca, California. Hello Mike.

Caller 9 (02:06:38):
Hey Leon. I heard about the ultimate S 22. I had a, about a great deal. I got tell me I had the S3. Yeah. I went to Verizon. They gave me a thousand dollars for my S 13.

Leo Laporte (02:06:54):
Wow. They must wanna keep you as a customer. Holy cow. That's great. Yeah, signal does work.

Caller 9 (02:07:01):
I walked away with from Verizon with the ultimate the best, the best S 22. You can get for 300 less than $300.

Leo Laporte (02:07:11):
You very nice. I did the same thing. I took my galaxy full, traded it in for the S 22. The trade-ins are pretty generous. I think a company like Verizon or at and T or T-Mobile offers you a deal on a phone. They, they consider that how long you've been a customer, how much you're paying a month. You're obviously somebody they want to keep around. So Mike, they offered you a very good deal and absolutely take advantage of it. Did you get your phone yet?

Caller 9 (02:07:38):
I got my phone. I, in fact I got it the day after it was released. Do

Leo Laporte (02:07:41):
You like it?

Caller 9 (02:07:43):
Oh, I love it.

Leo Laporte (02:07:44):
Isn't it beautiful

Caller 9 (02:07:46):
For you? Yes, sir. I was told internet Explorer was the best I told was told this other, that thing was the best and I ended up going to Chrome and now I got all these advertisements that, that pop up.

Leo Laporte (02:08:01):
Unfortunately, unfortunately, all browsers will show you ads unless they have ad blockers. Google's Chrome of course is probably the worst only because Google is in. Guess what? The internet ad business that till they make all their money. So Chrome is never gonna do a very good job blocking. You're talking about for your phone.

Caller 9 (02:08:22):
No, this is for my PC. For your PC. I'm trying to all 76. I'm trying to do discord zoom and this, these ads, every 30 seconds pop up.

Leo Laporte (02:08:33):
Okay. So there are a couple of ways around that. My favorite way around that is a as a plugin. I don't, I think Chrome offers it called you block origin. So if you go to the Chrome extensions and search for it's free, you block origin, it is the most comprehensive ad and annoyance blocker out there. You can even there's settings in it to turn off those annoying cookie things say, oh yeah, yeah, of course I want cookies. Just get away from me. Go away. Don't bother me. I would take a look at that. You block origin, make sure you get the one that says origin. There are other copycats called you block. That's not the same thing. You block origin by a guy named gore hill. And that other way, that's a good way to go at home is to use a DNS server that isn't from your internet service provider.

Leo Laporte (02:09:26):
So I'm on Comcast. I could use Comcast DNS. You'll see as a setting in your router or on your, on your system. And if it doesn't have a setting, you'll just use the default ISP setting, but I'm a fan of a company called next DNS. They also do ad blocking. So you can have whole home ad blocking if you go to, and it it's fairly inexpensive next dns.io. If it's just you, it's probably free. Your first 300,000 hits a month are free. Even after that, I think it's only a buck. It's not expensive. It's a, it's basically, you're gonna use it instead of your internet service provider as the DNS provider. And when you do that next DNS can say not gonna show any ads, not gonna let you through even more important in my opinion, cuz I don't mind as cuz ads support us. Ads are a good thing, but even more important, it will block malware of lots of different kinds of malware. So it's a really good way to protect yourself online. You have parental controls, it will do it for your whole house. If you put it on the router or you can do it for individual machines, they even have apps. I'm really a fan next dns.io is the website. There are other companies that do this like CloudFlare, very good. One.One.One.One. But my favorites next DNS mic a Sargent, the tech guys.

Leo Laporte (02:10:57):
Okay. I made signal my my default messaging app. So that's good. The problem then is BEC and I really makes me mad if signal would not be tied to a phone number, then I could use it everywhere. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (02:11:11):
I wish they would fix that.

Leo Laporte (02:11:13):
They're they say they're fixing it. They're gonna do a pin. And once they do that, then signal will be the clear choice for messaging cuz it's clean and

Mikah Sargent (02:11:24):
Somebody's taking your shtick by the way.

Leo Laporte (02:11:27):
My shtick. Yeah, they can't have my shtick

Mikah Sargent (02:11:29):
When I went to look up about the outlook outlook, printing out things in gray. Yeah. The, the first site and the Gmail are the, the Google responses that said ask leo.com.

Leo Laporte (02:11:39):
Oh yeah. That's Leo Notten bomb.

Mikah Sargent (02:11:40):
And it was not,

Leo Laporte (02:11:41):
You he's been around forever, but did he have the right answer? He did.

Mikah Sargent (02:11:45):
He did. It was buried in a bunch of ads and Huns.

Leo Laporte (02:11:49):
Now Leo's been around for a long time. I can't he's I don't know if he has rights to my name, but I don't think he was copying. And he is been doing as Leo forever and ever Leo Nolton. Boom. It's not my fault. Let's see. When Leo started doing this More about me, about Leo. That's so weird. It's so weird. Why Leo? Since 2003, I've been helping to make technology work here on ask Leo. So he, in fact he does have ask Leo prior to my getting the phone number, eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo. Oh, which I got, well, premier got in 2007. However, I have been Leo since 1956

Leo Laporte (02:12:46):
And I was on tech TV in 1998. So I predate 2003. But the ask Leo in the phone number does, did come after words. And I think at the time I was not a, I didn't get it. Premier did. So I'm not using it with a carrier yet, bill. I, I, I will, at some point I just have to figure out which phone to de deactivate, but I got the keyboard thing for it. It's pretty cool. It's actually like a little portable Linux computer. I'll have to I'll have to bring it in and show you next week. It's really cool. There's a guy doing ask Gumby. That seems wrong. That seems wrong. That's all I could say. How do I use signal without a funer they keep saying they're gonna do that. Ah, no. That's a little known trick. Yeah. Come on Moxie. This is professor. Laura says, this is for her and Kim Put it in the one as Kim.

Kim Schaffer (02:14:09):
I think it applies to Laura, but young is not in my vocabulary. You are free, single and free.

Leo Laporte (02:14:16):
Maybe single and free. Young

Kim Schaffer (02:14:17):
Is young. Passed me by a few years

Leo Laporte (02:14:20):
Back, young, single and free. That's a professor Laura's want had apparently she says it's for her and Kim sheer

Kim Schaffer (02:14:29):
Laura's in that category with my right. They're not even 30 yet.

Leo Laporte (02:14:33):
Can you believe that?

Kim Schaffer (02:14:34):
How, how are they even in this building? How did, when

Leo Laporte (02:14:36):
Did you get outta diapers recently? Is it something new here for you getting used to it? You have a big boy bed yet.

Kim Schaffer (02:14:44):
I was just sleeping.

Leo Laporte (02:14:46):
Thank you, Laura and Kim. Now we go to Mike. No, we did Mike. Now we go Angela in San Diego. Hello Angela.

Caller 10 (02:14:56):
Thanks for taking my call. Quick question. When you block someone either by phone or email, does it show the caller or writer that their correspondence or voice message is blocked?

Leo Laporte (02:15:10):
Not email, no phone. Yes, I believe so. It depends on how you're blocking it. If you block it just on your iPhone saying, I don't want to hear from this number. No, it'll just go straight to voicemail. Is it going through to voicemail?

Caller 10 (02:15:27):
I haven't done it yet. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:15:29):
So if it goes through to voicemail, no, they don't know any better. They just, they just, nobody he ever picks up and that's, if you do it through the phone, if you do it through your cell phone company or your phone company, I do believe there will be when they dial your number, they'll get a fast, busy or something that will indicate they can't dial that number. I believe that's the case. So we'll see if somebody's listening anybody from the phone company. If if a one ringy dingy is listening, just show us a sign, tug your ear. But I believe that that's, that's how the phone company does it. The nice thing is and that's for safety reasons and so forth. But the nice thing is you can do it in software, on a smartphone and it, and just say, I only wanna receive for instance, and this is how I have my phone set. I only wanna see phone calls from my contact list. The rest of 'em just drop right through, into into your voicemail. And you'll never hear that.

Caller 10 (02:16:24):
Oh my gosh. Oh wow.

Leo Laporte (02:16:26):
And they'll never know, except that for some reason Angela's never home.

Caller 10 (02:16:32):
How do you do that? Does, is

Caller 10 (02:16:34):
That,

Leo Laporte (02:16:34):
Do you have an iPhone or an Android phone? Angela?

Caller 10 (02:16:37):
I have an iPhone.

Leo Laporte (02:16:38):
Okay. So we're gonna go into settings. This is a very useful tool by the way everybody should know about.

Caller 10 (02:16:46):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:16:47):
Yes. And I'm going figure it out just a second here. I think if you go into context, let me see now that's not it

Caller 10 (02:16:57):
Learn as you go.

Leo Laporte (02:16:58):
I am learning. I am. I've done it. So I know it's doable. I just trying to remember exactly how I how I did it. What'd

Mikah Sargent (02:17:06):
You like me to take this

Leo Laporte (02:17:07):
One? Oh, do you know? Yeah. If you know Mr. Ios, please,

Mikah Sargent (02:17:10):
There are two options. If it's a, if it's a contact that's recently tried to reach out to you. That's a very simple thing because you can just launch the phone app. You can go to recents and then you find that number. And you'll see on the right side, this little I, with a circle around it, that's a little information button you can tap on that information button. And then right at the very bottom, you'll see red text that says block this caller. That is the simple way to do it. If you need to block a specific number, that's not there in your recents, you just launch the settings app, you scroll down and choose phone, and then there you go. You scroll down and choose blocked contact. And you'll see an option in top, right? To add, to edit. And at the very bottom, you'll see, add new where you can add another number

Leo Laporte (02:17:54):
To it. So if they're not already in your contact list, you could still enter it in by hand. Exactly easiest. If it's in the contact list, cuz you can just go to that number in the contact list and and say, no, I don't want to hear from this person.

Caller 10 (02:18:06):
Okay. So just go to the I and then go to the bottom and say block

Mikah Sargent (02:18:11):
Call. Yep. That is correct.

Caller 10 (02:18:13):
You're wonderful. Isn't

Leo Laporte (02:18:14):
He?

Caller 10 (02:18:16):
You're both wonderful. What a team.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:18):
Thank you. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:18:19):
Glad we could help Angela. Yeah,

Caller 10 (02:18:21):
You too. Thanks. Have a great rest of the day.

Leo Laporte (02:18:23):
You too. And blocking email, you know, basically is just say don't put that in my inbox or you could set it straight to trash. You can set that, do that with a a filter it, some email programs call it a rule and they won't know that's invisible to them. The mail just goes through and goes falls through the hole on the floor and you never see it again. Bye. Bye. It'd be nice if you know how mail makes a sound when you send it? I love that sound though. When you, you send email. Oh, if there

Mikah Sargent (02:18:52):
Was a block,

Leo Laporte (02:18:53):
It'd be nice. If there was like a, Like it's just falling down the hole. That

Mikah Sargent (02:18:58):
Would be nice.

Leo Laporte (02:18:59):
That'd be good. Sound Vanessa in per hello, Vanessa.

Caller 3 (02:19:04):
Hello. Welcome

Leo Laporte (02:19:06):
To the show. Leo Laporte and Mikah Sargent.

Caller 3 (02:19:09):
Thank you. When you guys were talking about Sadie before Mike Sadie was lifting her, what's going on? Who's talking to me.

Leo Laporte (02:19:15):
Sadie is a good name. Is Sadie a puppy?

Caller 3 (02:19:19):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:19:20):
A good girl.

Caller 3 (02:19:20):
Two years old.

Leo Laporte (02:19:21):
Aw.

Caller 3 (02:19:22):
Hi Sadie. She's a she's part carrier. So she's got that long smell.

Leo Laporte (02:19:28):
Yes. Yeah. We love it. The Sadie is part terrier as well. What can I do for you today?

Caller 3 (02:19:35):
I bought a new computer two weeks ago and I brought it home and I was all excited cuz I was gonna have a fresh, hard drive and I logged into it and started setting things up on it and I go my C drive and all of a sudden everything that's on. My one drive is showing up as being in my C drive.

Speaker 23 (02:19:56):
Thank you. Microsoft's thank you.

Caller 3 (02:19:58):
I tried to, if I tried to delete it, it says it's gonna delete it permanently from one drive. Yeah. You

Leo Laporte (02:20:03):
Don't want that either. Do you?

Caller 3 (02:20:06):
No.

Leo Laporte (02:20:07):
You want it on one drive? You don't want it on your computer. Simple enough. Now the one thing I should tell you, you can do this is that you're no longer. You don't have a backup cuz if one drives loses it, you don't have a copy anywhere else. One copy of anything even

Caller 3 (02:20:20):
I have, I actually have I drive so

Leo Laporte (02:20:23):
Oh, oh well that's important. So is it, is it, I see what you're saying. You have eye drive as a backup, so yeah. You have two copies. You're good. You're good. So this is in your OneDrive settings. One of the things that bugs the heck outta me, when you set up windows, Microsoft puts a popup, Hey, Hey, Hey, you wanna log into OneDrive, right? Huh? Huh? Huh? You wanna log into OneDrive and you probably said, yeah, I guess so. But in the

Caller 3 (02:20:48):
Eventually I would. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:20:49):
Yeah. So you did, at some point you, you, and maybe you did it just by logging into your Microsoft account, that would be horrific. But if you go into the OneDrive sync settings, you could say, I don't want you to store anything locally. It's in the settings. So OneDrive has a little icon in your system tra the right. Why am I answering this? Okay. You answer it. I don't want to answer this. Do you know? No,

Mikah Sargent (02:21:14):
I don't. This one. I'm sorry. I was so happy you were answering it. This one. I oh, rat

Leo Laporte (02:21:21):
I'm you know, I don't have a windows machine right in front of me, so I don't know exactly, but I, if you right click on the one drive in the system tray, you'll see, you can get settings. And I guess files on demand is what Microsoft calls this. But I don't, I demand you not to give me those files on demand. So there should be a setting that says make files on online only.

Caller 3 (02:21:52):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:21:54):
Your default setting is, and I think this is reasonable because they figure, well, you know, we wanna be safe. We don't want to take any chances. So we're gonna bank a copy locally. And that's the default setting. But you'll see, there's a setting in there that says set files and folders to be always available locally on your device. That's checked. No, we don't want that. No, no, no. So you can turn, you can turn that off. I'm not sure exactly where, but I'll tell you what. We have a link to Microsoft's support article. We'll put that up@techguylabs.com. It looks like they're about TW this is very Microsoft, 12 different ways to do it, but it's in the one drive settings. I think if you browse around, it'll be it'll be fairly apparent.

Caller 3 (02:22:40):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:22:40):
All right. Say hi to art bell. Oh no, he's gone now.

Caller 3 (02:22:43):
Yes he's.

Leo Laporte (02:22:44):
Did you know art when he lived in Parum?

Caller 3 (02:22:47):
No, I didn't. I moved here a couple years after he passed away.

Leo Laporte (02:22:50):
Yeah. He made, he put Parum on the map.

Caller 3 (02:22:53):
He did. Yeah. He was looking for a place to retire to from Portland. I came down the, the 95 inter not I interstate 95. I came down us 95 and I said, Parum that sounds for,

Leo Laporte (02:23:05):
I know. Well, how do you like it?

Caller 3 (02:23:10):
I love it here.

Leo Laporte (02:23:11):
Any aliens? Ufos weirdness like that.

Caller 3 (02:23:14):
There's lots of 'em. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:23:17):
You could thank our bell. Hey, a pleasure talking to you, Vanessa. Take care. Have a great day. Leo. Laporte the tech guy with mic as Sargent DT, Bartolo, our gizmo wizard coming up next System tray, pop up gear icon, go to settings.

Leo Laporte (02:23:40):
Then you want to say stop with a file on demand thing or maybe do you wanna, it's really unclear. Do you wanna turn it on? Exactly. That files on demand works with all the apps you use today, including windows, desktop, and apps from the windows store further. Make sure you sign on one drive. Oh God. These settings look at all the settings in here. It's too many. I think files on demand is what you want on. That means the file is there in the one drive. But only if you demand it, you demand it. Yep. I think that's what you actually want, but who knows? Hi Dickie D Hey Leo. How you doing? I am well what's up? Good, good, good. Nothing. Nothing.

Leo Laporte (02:24:28):
I'm trying to get email on my toaster for that. You need outlook for toasters. Oh, is there? Oh right. Of course. Okay. I knew you would have the answer. I knew. Now, if you want it to print, that's gonna cost you a lot more. Oh yeah. You need a loaf of bread to do that. These are not aunt PR approved pushups. Easy, easy, easy pushups. Oh, oh, oh, low impact. I figure if I do a thousand of these a day for the next a hundred years, maybe I could do a real one. Yeah. And you live a thousand years and I'll have a thousand years just by doing it. You exercise every day. Don't you Dick? Not every day. I, I, I, I walk 5,000 steps a day. No matter you used to go to the gym though. A lot, right. I guess. Oh yeah. I go to the gym three times a day. Oh, you still do? Oh, good. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's why you're so healthy and fit. Well, there seems to be some backup

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:22):
That it does. It does work.

Leo Laporte (02:25:24):
It does help. No, cuz you're in. Great. Now do you have a, a long lived fam? No. Your family members aren't that long lived? No. No. So you just, so it's not just jeans it's 

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:38):
No. It's carry yourself and a t-shirt

Mikah Sargent (02:25:43):
You're so fast. It's so

Leo Laporte (02:25:46):
I just noticed lately I'm feeling tired all the time. Like on my days off, I don't wanna do anything and I'm thinking I gotta fix that. And I think the key is to keep moving.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:55):
Maybe we should pull, hold each

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:56):
Other. I think so. Yeah. It's really easy to fall into. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:26:00):
You get sleepy,

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:01):
Especially. I think COVID did a lot of damage by just sitting around and

Leo Laporte (02:26:07):
Psychological. Absolutely

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:09):
Psychological. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

Leo Laporte (02:26:11):
Yep. So you just tell your body I'm not dead yet. I'm getting better.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:18):
If your body's in tune, it should sort of know that.

Leo Laporte (02:26:22):
Well, if you just lie around, he goes, yeah, I think he did. I think he died long walks in the sunshine. Yeah. That's that's probably true. I, I, I, I don't go out as much as I used to. That's really, really quite true. At least it takes long walks every day.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:43):
Oh, that's good. That's very good. She's I'm

Mikah Sargent (02:26:45):
Endlessly boring.

Leo Laporte (02:26:47):
Well, that's why living in New York is awesome. Walks are never boring in New York or any city, but you're right around here. It's like, well, there's another grain silo. Oh, look a cow. Yep. Yep. Walk every day. I think that's the key walk every day. Did you see that Uber is gonna work with yellow cabs in New York? Yes. I that's bizarre.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:18):
It. It is bizarre.

Leo Laporte (02:27:19):
It maybe there'll be a button where you have black car, luxury car.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:23):
I think that's what it's going. I think it's gonna a gonna come up because you don't wanna say, oh yeah, I'm gonna treat you to an Uber. And you're that? Getting that get in

Leo Laporte (02:27:32):
A car where you wanna go. I don't go to Brooklyn. Forget it, buddy. I only go up

Leo Laporte (02:27:38):
To a hundred fifth street. No far, no farther.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:41):
Very funny. And on the west side, I don't

Leo Laporte (02:27:43):
West side. I don't I to the east side. No, I don't cross the park. Would you explain to me Dick D Bartolo disco Dick, as we call him what get down means? Like, what do you mean? Get down, get down to funky, get down, get funky. There's a new thing on TikTok. Everybody's doing. Maybe it's a Beyonce thing. Cuz I think you would know this a fan of queen B, but everybody they're standing around and all of a sudden they go home and they don't.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:09):
Oh yeah. That is a Beyonce. Is that a

Leo Laporte (02:28:11):
Beyonce move?

Mikah Sargent (02:28:11):
The song is Beyonce, but I believe it's just because of the way that, that, that sounds in that song. You, that drop is just so perfect for that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:28:19):
We're going, we're doing the Beyonce. Drop the, get down with Dick. Get down DeBartolo, mad magazines, maddest writer, a disco fan. But most importantly from our point of view are Gimo wizard a GWiz. Hello? Dickie de

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:35):
Leo. How are you pal? Very

Leo Laporte (02:28:37):
Well, my friend. How are you?

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:38):
Good. The problem with when you get a old, you can get down, getting popped in.

Leo Laporte (02:28:44):
That's true. It's true. I see all these kids on TikTok. Suddenly ducking down. I'm going. I could do that. Can you get back? Yeah. What? every week Dick joins us with a fun Gimo or a gadget. What do you have this?

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:58):
Yeah. Okay. So this, this I think you should buy this whether you want it or not. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:29:04):
I'll I'll

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:04):
Buy it. So last week, last week I did the $300 black plastic, a beverage maker. No, not I can understand that. Okay. No. So on GW a fan Jeff sent in a video about this gadget, which is from the companies called super impulse.

Leo Laporte (02:29:21):
Yes and I, so it's a super impulse purchase. Perfect.

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:25):
Okay. Yes. Right after the show I bought it. So what it is, they have a line of, of toys called world's smallest. Oh, they make the worlds smallest. Viewmaster oh, they make the world's smallest, like bright. And now they are making the world's smallest Atari 26.

Leo Laporte (02:29:48):
Oh that's so cute. Wait a minute

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:50):
Working.

Leo Laporte (02:29:51):
It's got a little TV TV, the size of your hand.

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:55):
It's an inch and a half TV. Okay. And oh, I think I left it. It has 10 video games.

Leo Laporte (02:30:04):
There's what? There's Aari games on it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:07):
10?

Leo Laporte (02:30:08):
Yes. Oh, Sadie would love this. It's just her

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:10):
Size. A working joystick. What?

Leo Laporte (02:30:14):
Yes. Oh, that is impression. I need,

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:16):
I put a little video on, on

Leo Laporte (02:30:18):
My web right now.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:19):
Yes. So if you buy on Amazon, it's 30 bucks. If you go to a target it's 20 bucks. If you buy it on target and have it shipped, it's 20.

Leo Laporte (02:30:31):
I'm on my way right now. Atari tiny arcade. It's called.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:36):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:30:36):
It has PAC

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:37):
Band.

Leo Laporte (02:30:38):
Does any sound come out of it?

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:40):
Yes. The little, oh my God. Yes. Yes. Okay. You

Leo Laporte (02:30:45):
Got

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:46):
Me packaging. The packaging. Be careful getting outta the package because it's like welded shut and you have to be very careful because the little cable I showed you, what I needed to get it. Look at the

Leo Laporte (02:30:59):
Size shear he's got needle nose pliers the wrench. Yes.

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:03):
Wow. And be careful not to cut the wire because the joystick works. So you need it. If you cut the wire, you've ruined it. Look

Leo Laporte (02:31:12):
How tiny it

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:13):
Is. I can pick it up today. It's pretty neat. Did you get

Leo Laporte (02:31:15):
Two, get two for me? I'll give you 20 bucks. All right. Wow. Yeah. I want that right here for the studio right on my my desk. That,

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:22):
That's what I, I I, I said to Dennis SOS, cute. Leah's gonna buy this just to have it on the desk. So people can say, what is that? Oh, it's the world's spouse to tell you 2,600. And you can say, you can say it is and Atari 26 console. It works.

Leo Laporte (02:31:39):
The truth

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:40):
Is, and I love the, the funny fake Rabbiters on top. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:31:43):
I love 'em. They're slightly bent. Like, you know, that is the cutest thing ever. Oh my gosh. I love it. This was, this was what got me, but made me a tech guy. He's getting it. Well, actually the story really is I was go, I would go to I after work at the radio station, I would go to the Chucky cheese pizza time theater with a roll of quarters. Pump those quarters into the arcade machines. At one point I said, there's, this is ridiculous. So I got an Atari 2,600, which was one of the early little game consoles. Wasn't very good. Do

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:16):
You realize if you hadn't done that today, you would be at Chucky cheese.

Leo Laporte (02:32:20):
I would be working the Chucky cheese. I might be one of those animatronic bears. I don't know. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:25):
It's your birthday.

Leo Laporte (02:32:27):
So yeah, so I owe it all to the Atari 2,600 cuz after that, then I got the, and I know you did this too. I got the Atari 400 computer and then I got the at 800.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:38):
Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:32:38):
Slowly worked my way up. Now I'm paying $5,000 for a Mac studio. That's not much bigger than the attorney. 2,600. Oh

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:46):
My. Oh you, you graduated from guitar 800.

Leo Laporte (02:32:50):
Yes. Is that an improvement? I think it is. That's really a cute thing. Not cute. They must have licensed this from Atari. I mean it's the real deal.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:58):
Yes. You know what? It's very funny. Atari APAC man must be. It's very funny because it says nine games plus Pacman. So they must have, but

Leo Laporte (02:33:08):
These are the best games. Breakout, Tempest, centipede, combat P war Lords, missile, command, Millie, asteroids, and Pacman. I mean, these are, these are names. You're probably too young to remember this mic, but these are names that resonate with those of us of a certain age.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:24):
And they're all in there. Pre pre-pro it's for 20 bucks. She can't go wrong. We've got two on order right now. I'll back up today.

Leo Laporte (02:33:34):
I'll give you my I'll give you a 20. Oh, sounds

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:36):
Good. Oh, what? No tax, no cash there.

Leo Laporte (02:33:40):
Oh right. I'll give, give you a cab fair and a 20. All right. Dick D Bartolo is MAD's maddest writer still. I still doing mad magazine, right?

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:51):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:33:53):
What's the latest

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:54):
I'm actually heading 60 years.

Leo Laporte (02:33:58):
Wow. I didn't even know you were that old years. Wow. This

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:01):
Month since that's great. I sold him my first article at 17.

Leo Laporte (02:34:06):
You were a high school kid when you sold him your first article. That's so cool. Yeah. And you've told the story before. What's a wonderful story about getting a, a Manila envelope from bill Gaines, the editor in chief, right. Piece of card boarding.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:20):
Oh, from, from Nick, me Nick mag associate editor. Yeah. Back then. Yeah, yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:34:23):
Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:24):
In my own envelope. So when you get your own envelope back, you you're convinced,

Leo Laporte (02:34:28):
Oh, they sent me the article back. Do you remember what that first piece was?

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:33):
It was about TV ads and it was why, how come when they stop people in the supermarket? They're all so on the ball. Why are, and it was, it was people that they stopped too. Didn't know what they were talking about. What? And then Nick called me up and he says, I hope you don't mind, but we're gonna add an Al Jaffey piece to your piece because he also did a Sati on and I said, mine, what I mind

Leo Laporte (02:35:03):
Mean? The Al JY. Wow.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:04):
The Al JY

Leo Laporte (02:35:05):
Was bill.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:06):
I called last Saturday. He was Al Jaffey was 101 hundred

Leo Laporte (02:35:10):
One. It would be Bill's hundreds. Right? Wasn't

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:14):
Bill was 71. He passed on.

Leo Laporte (02:35:17):
I think somebody saying it's bill gain hundredth birthdays.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:20):
It probably is

Leo Laporte (02:35:21):
Sometime around. It

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:21):
Probably is. Yeah. I'll Jackson. Oh, I can cash the checks. I remember it with a contract. Thank you for reminding me. You can

Leo Laporte (02:35:32):
Get an autograph copy of the new mad magazine, which is all classic stories, including one from this guy right here. Dick D Bartolo by playing the what the heck is it contest on his website? G I Z w I Z dot B I Z. There's a picture, a closeup of some gizmo or gadget or something. If you can identify it. You're in the drawing for up to six autograph copies of mad magazine. If you got it wrong, but you clever are up to 12 autograph copies of mad magazine. All, all the rules and details are on the website, Gaz, whiz.biz. You can also find a link to the tech guy where you can find that mini Atari, the GWiz visits, the tech guy, plus all the other stuff. World news now mad magazine memorabilia, and more. Don't forget. Dick's podcast does gwiz.tv. Thank you, Mr. GIW.

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:23):
Yes, sir. Take care. Have a great week

Leo Laporte (02:36:25):
So much. Thank you, Mike. As Sargent appreciate your being here. Problem. It's a lot more fun with the two of us.

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:32):
It's just the two,

Leo Laporte (02:36:33):
Just the two of us. Plus professor Laura, our musical director. Kim can I almost call it Kim SAV, Kim sheer. Sometimes she's Savage our phone angel and mostly she's nice. Thanks to all of you for joining us for being here for calling in with your questions, your comments, thanks to the folks in the chat and the discord. We'll be back next time. I hope you will too. Leo Laport and Mike as Sargent your tech guys have a great geek week. Bye bye. Well, that's it for the tech I show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget. Twit T w I T. It stands for this week@techandyoufinditattwit.tv, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows and windows weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS today. Security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it all@twit.tv and I'll be back next week with another great tech guys show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.