MacBreak Weekly 423 (Transcript)
Leo Laporte: It’s time for Macbreak Weekly,
Alex Lindsay joins Andy Ihnatko and Rene Ritchie, we’re going to talk about of
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learn what will we see. We’ll also talk about that sapphire company that’s gone
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Leo: It’s time for Macbreak Weekly the show that brings
you your MacBreak. …weekly…
Alex Lindsay: Every week.
Leo: Every week… Alex Lindsay is here from the LindsayTron…
Alex: Helloooo
Leo: What is that the Pixel Corp…
Alex: zzzzthe pixel corp (Leo repeats the phrase in German)
Leo: Your shop is all messed up let us fix that. (In
German)
Alex: You moved…I had a shoulder…
Leo: You moved you had a shoulder (laughing)
Alex: You had a shoulder in your shot so I moved it. I
thought some-one’s going to tell me to get out of Leo’s shot.
Leo: Rene Ritchie is also here from iMore, I’m going to
talk to you because you got a lot of press I have been reading the London Times
all of a sudden I see iMore’s debug podcast reveals all.
Rene Ritchie: So terrible, but thank-you.
Leo: We’ll get back to you in a second, lets also say
hello to Mr Crane Cam 3000 in the future of what?
Andy Ihnatko: Crane
Cam 3000 the future of video podcasting. The problem is that you’ve been out of
the country, and this phrase in on the lips of everyone in the 14 to 38 demo.
Leo: No-body in the UK was talking about this, I’m
shocked!
Andy: Because you know they’re more conservative, they
don’t believe in transgressing across class boundaries, we’re a lot more free
here in America Leo.
Leo: Yes we are.
Andy: You have a very lovely London vacation tan I must
say.
Leo: I know, you know it’s funny we went to London and,
everyone told me it’d rain, and be gloomy, instead we had the hottest, driest
September in the history of England.
Rene: You’re welcome England!
Leo: Thank-you England.
Andy: You brought the drought with you. You’re the secret
to the Californian drought Leo?
Leo: I took the drought with me and, then I brought it
back it was in the 90s when we got back. So, thank-you Sarah Lane for filling
in last week I really appreciate that. We are back, have either you Andy
Ihnatko, or you Rene Ritchie received an invitation to an Apple event next
week?
Rene: Not yet.
Leo: No.
Andy: I have not yet.
Leo: Time has… Time keeps on slipping.
Alex: It’s in the future.
Leo: If they’re going to do it it’s a week from Thursday…
Alex: Buy tickets,
Leo: We have to do things, just looking at my Apple watch.
Andy: It’s town hall so it’s a smaller event. I know they
launched the 5S last year, but it’s possible that this is their room for yeah
we’re not big, we got the dog we got the pony we don’t know if we’re going to
give you both of them, so who knows.
Alex: We’re going to live stream it all because it worked
out so well last time.
Leo: Alex and, I were talking about that at dinner last night,
theories about what happened.
Alex: I need to say that I don’t have any inside
information.
Leo: No-one is allowed to talk about it…
Alex: Everyone that I know that would even be remotely
connected to it, won’t even talk to me (Cross talk) they won’t be in the same
room, but I think that the whole like theory online is not accurate. And, the
problem is that the stream worked on Apple TV, I think that a web address was
causing issues. Most probably literally what we saw is one of the heaviest hits
on a live trailer ever, you know on Akamai ever. It’ just that we need to
catch-up.
Leo: Just to say who was it, what was his name from his
streaming video blog, who hypothesized and, anybody who read this repeated it.
But it seems to me anybody who read this and understands how the Internet
works, might have said I don’t think so. He claimed that it was the way that
the Apple web page was crafted and, that the………because Apple did something I
really liked which is their own live blog of the event and, the video was
embedded on that. I don’t think that means that the video lived on that page,
it’s easy enough to embed a video link. In fact you made the point that you can
watch it on Apple TV, it obviously didn’t live on that page.
Alex: Right and, there is one comment on there that says
that the world cup was able to do it. The one thing that they knew about the
world cup was that it was spread over 28…(lost train of thought)
Leo: It wasn’t one (Alex disagrees) two-hour events.
Alex: Not only that it was spread over many, many networks
on their own and the encoding was centralized, but it was a much different set
than what we’re talking about. So, they’re actually ready for that for that
kind of thing.
Leo: The thing that you told me that I thought was
interesting was…apparently I hope I’m not ever going to get you into trouble by
repeating this is that this is a number 8 million. Can I say that?
Alex: That’s the Guinness Book of World Records. There’s
some confusion, it’s 8(point) something it’s the stratos jump, is considered
the most…
Leo: That’s the Red Bull guy………that jumped into…
Alex…continous and
there’s millions and, millions of people watching FIFA, but I’m not, I’m not…
Leo: It’s not individual hits that matter, but it’s that
how many people at one time are going boom, boom, and boom on that server
downloading that video. So, the stratos jump eight and half million record and,
they didn’t have a problem? Is that right? Were they using Akamai?
Alex: No, it was the You Tube back end.
Leo: Oh! Well.
Alex: No, it’s the You Tube back-end. (Cross talk)
Leo: Akamai, which is a content distribution network,
distributes all the iTunes content.
Alex: They distribute a lot.
Leo: It’s very expensive, it’s not for everybody, they
distribute a lot.
Alex: They distribute a lot. A lot of the time if you’re
loading pages you’re getting them from Akamai, they’re one of the first to do
the edge network you know solutions so on and, so forth.
Leo: The theory there we’ve talked about this before is
that you’ll get a server geographically approximate to you so it’s faster so
all the servers cache the content so that they all have the same content.
Alex: Right.
Leo: But, you’re getting in effect locally which saves you
time when you’re on the internet, plus there are many, many servers locked in
that can handle many more hits, many more. I don’t know how many points does Akamai
have?
Alex: I have no idea, lots.
Leo: So, one could assume that they had more than eight
and half million people trying to watch that Apple video.
Alex: I don’t know if one can assume that. But, what it
looked like was a CDN, situation so of course Akamai chose that facility. (Cross
talk)
Rene: There was a couple of back-ups because they had the
Spanish, sorry a general overlay, so there was probably a problem in the mix
truck and because it worked in Café Max, it worked…
Leo: Alex has a theory, listen to Alex’s theory. I think
that Alex knows most about streaming videos than most mortal men or women.
Alex: So what some people will do with multi-language
events is that they will use the back-up stream as the second language, it’s
not something that we do. But if you don’t do it that way what you end up with is
a lot of encoders. So, when we have a lot of encoders so what happens though if
you think that you have a really solid network you may decide that I’m going to
go ahead and, use the back-up you know maybe for the accounts and, I am going
to say that I’m going to use the back-up one for…
Leo…Chinese translation…
Alex: Chinese translations ……….
Leo: That would incur the expense of having the complexity
of many, many more servers.
Alex: It’s very complicated and, difficult and, you know it’s…
Leo: However, if the primary fails…
Alex: And the pop over is Chinese.
Leo: And, what about the truck (cross talk) I’ll tell you
why we’re getting to this…
Alex: Specifically, with Akamai, typically that if it
fails, you’ll see the last completed file.
Leo: That’s that content.
Alex: So, what happens is that that truck is you have a
problem with your connection and, typically it’s not that Akamai’s failed it’s
that you the connection between you and, Akamai has failed. It will take that
last file and, play it back or it can it’s one of the options…so has been one
of the options, I haven’t streamed that for a little while. Most of streaming
is within You Tube and, so anyway, so what all of those symptoms what it looked
like something went wrong with either this connection to the CDN or the actual
CDN, it could have been the connection to the CDN as well, that caused it to
first, you know install the last file and, you saw the back-up stream and, then
it found its way back to the…truck.
Leo: The show…
Alex: But the truck…most
likely everything at the facility was fine, so…I have talked to people who saw
it that that saw it not on the web and, at…
Leo: At Apple, or in the satellite.
Alex: It was fine, perfect.
Leo: It as Dan Trevor that wrote that streamingmediablog
(dot) COM inside Apple’s live events failure why it happened, it wasn’t a
capacity issue. While we acknowledge that Dan knows a lot about streaming, I
don’t think he knows anything about websites, he claims that Jason on the Apple
(dot) com page, I think that’s pretty clearly wrong and, you’re theory sounds
like it makes perfect sense.
Alex: I actually have no idea what happened. (Cross talk)
Leo: It would make sense the most intense interest, the
most viewed videos, the most videos, with this guy jumping out of a thing.
Alex: The only thing that I can think of is in the way that
they structure the website, and do not allow it to go to as many servers, you
know so like the way…
Leo: ……. So it did not work on the Apple TV…….
Alex: I’m wondering if for some reason it got, that all the
servers got, it reduced all the number of servers that were available…Oh CDN by
the way is a content distribution network. There was question about that. So,
Leo: I had to find that earlier, so sorry…so it moved fast
you know.
Alex: But, anyway but the, anyway do I think that so what
those symptoms look like is either break between the encoder and, the…
Leo: ……system…
Alex: Either in Alkaline, now it could have been a break
between, in Calamine’s defence. It could have been a break the same symptoms or
very similar symptoms if there was a break between the encoder and, Alkaline
and like for us or for an event like Apple’s we would have four ways to get to
the ingest. So we would do, we could onsite with one encode, we could have a
satellite on another code, we could have cellular and we could have fibber on
another all these…
Leo: All these sound like redundancies primarily…
Alex: Use the one, if you’ve got four of them going, So that…
Leo: So that…
Alex: But, in four different ways, because the satellite
can go down if there’s cloud, lots of rain, the cell can go down between
people, we had our cell didn’t go down because we had, our cell was great…
Leo: Yeah, we had a great cell life right from the stream…(Cross
talk) Andy Ihnatko said you were crystal clear.
Alex: I had some one ask me did you do the Apple event? I
was like only on the outside, I was…
Leo: The reason why I ask this is because they’ve got
another event coming up Thursday so what I’m wondering, Andy and, Rene and,
Alex if you’re Apple what do you say….do you say
Alex: I think that you have to stream it.
Leo: Do you say ……….if you don’t stream it then isn’t it
an acknowledgement of failure, it’s like saying oh we can’t do this.
Rene: Oh, well, they don’t stream in Town Hall, typically I
don’t think. I think they the last time
they said because they had trouble with the equipment in a small venue?
Leo: How do you know it’s Town Hall?
Rene: John Paczkowski said, it was Town Hall the same time
that he announced the date. My understanding is that the date is correct. And,
he’s usually very correct with that information, so I would put it past him.
Leo: We know Jim Dowler’s note that we got on the 21st,
which is a Thursday. (Cross talk) I can’t remember why they did that. So, it’s
a Thursday, I can actually remember when they said it’s a Tuesday, and when
they can actually say you can order Friday and it will be available a week on
Friday. So, that gives you ten days, does that incline one to believe that
whatever they’re going to announce will be day of…
Andy: If the rumors are correct we’re mostly going to see
new iPads and, just some new refreshing Macs, that makes sense the rumors are
also saying that the manufacturing is already up, I don’ t think they…I can’t
remember the last time that they did announce the new iPads, whether they
announced and, shipped the same day or whether it was the typical pre-announced
pre-order today and, we will ship very soon. But, it is an odd thing, it
doesn’t seem like the sort of event where miraculous…the sort of event where
miraculous things are going to happen. It seems like it’s the sort of thing
where what’s left in the bottom of that is in Santa’s velvet red sack, after
they’ve shown the iPhones and, the iWatch and okay we’ve got, turn out that
we’ve got an iPad here, turns out that there are some new CDU’s here and,
that’s it.
Leo: So that could end possibly the rumor mill seems to
think a 12 inch iPad pro?
Andy: Nay, I don’t think so.
Rene: I heard that for next year, but you never know with
Apple in there with their schedule.
Andy: It’s just that if it is something that major that was
happening I wouldn’t, if that were happening next week I wouldn’t have expected
as I’m fond of saying I’m not just do…leaked out bezels notice and the velocity
and the nature of certain pieces of information and, I’m used to linking a certain…what
my trick knee acts up that’s when I expect bad weather. I have my trick knee
for feeling for a new iPad is not acting up.
Rene: There’s a chance if it is substantially different,
especially for software for something like new that it can do they pre-announce
it and, it’s developers heads up. But, it’s seems like this would still be an
odd period of time because would you announce it now, then ship it next year
that seems like way too long a time.
Andy: When I was looking at some of these rumors I was
thinking that if Apple’s interested in 12(point) 9 inch iPad they would have to
do it pretty much the same way they did the iWatch. The only reason they would
have for the 12(point) 9 inch iPad is to say well creative people we now have
some either a stylus solution for you. Whether it’s an actual act of stylus or
a really, really good blue tooth stylus that only works with this big, big, big
pad that has the hard-ware in it that’ll let it work within it very, very
closely, or what we now have is a solution for running tiled apps, multiple
apps running side by side and, we know there’s a kind of there’s a lot of nods
in that what was announced in WWDC discussions.
But, that’s the
sort of thing where they would want to give every developer a chance to make
sure that by the time this thing ships that there not just one or two freak
apps out there, that there is a collection of apps that really endorse why
people should be spending money on a 12(point) 9 inch iPad.
At this point I
think this would be an interesting device, I might have thought that you’re a
natural a few years ago. At, this point I’m thinking that Apple wouldn’t
release it, unless they had a really specific role for it to play. I don’t
think they’ve started telling that story yet.
Leo: Rumor also I think, not completely credible is some
sort of weird IOS OS 10 hybrid. (Andy says No!)
Rene: They haven’t had a chance to get Yosemite OS 10 out
of the door, but they don’t have the time to make that up correctly yet.
Andy: Yeah exactly.
Leo: I talked to somebody in London who shall remain
nameless, who said Leo I was sitting with an iPhone 6 three months ago, when
you announced on MacBreak Weekly there’s no chance in hell that they’re going
to announce a five and half inch iPad, he says I’m looking at this and
sniggering.
And, so I am no
longer going to prognosticate that I have been wrong on the iwatch, I’m still
wrong on the Apple TV, you know Apple big TV displays…
Alex: So far…
Leo: So far (Andy Laughing) one out of three. I know there
are people; this is what I didn’t think about obviously it’s true. There are
people who listen who know and I sound like a complete putz. (Panellists
roaring with laughter) In fact he said I thought you were like either trolling
us, disinformation you know what I thought do you know what Infinity will be
out there saying there will never be five and half inch iPhone.
Andy: Yeah, that’s fine you’d never say never, it’s just…
Leo: You’ve unlocked…
Andy: I’m serious the…what Rene is fond of saying is
something that I don’t have to say because Rene is so fond of saying it is if
you can name any sort of combination of rice, beans and, pork Apple has made it
already. And, whether or not they’ve decided whether they really want to do fifteen-inch
touch screen, Mac or whether they really want to do a seven and, half-inch iPhone
is immaterial to them actually building it. They’re waiting for when the time
is actually right or when it makes sense. You would never want to say never.
It’s just that …….I would…say the most accurate thing I can ever is that I’d be
very surprised if 12(point) 9 inches iPad came out next week.
Leo: Because… Skinner in our chat-room says…we’ll not
forget about the Beats thing. Thank-you for reminding me.
Rene: That was harsh.
Leo: I was right on all of these, I’m just saying, they
shouldn’t have bought Beats, they shouldn’t have made a giant iPhone and, the
watch, so let me ask you Rene Ritchie who is the Michael report, and should it
be trusted?
Rene: I’m not familiar with him, there’s nothing in there
that’s shocking. I mean they have better display technology, now they’re
showing that off on their iPhone.
Leo: I should explain Blockbuster exclusive reported again
reported, re-reported the boy genius, this is the iPad air two, he claims to
have pictures which he didn’t publish. We made the editorial decision to not to
publish the pictures. Yeah.
Andy: Yeah, that makes sense.
Leo: They are trying to protect their sources.
Rene: They are trying to protect as to who sees those
pictures and what the rumour in the background can tell you.
Leo: So do you think this is credible he is saying here?
Rene: So, all of is it credible, Apples’ do it all of this
year, the best panel technology in the iPad. Last year they did do the best,
they didn’t put the camera in the iPad last year. They could do a much better
SRGB standard using all of the new display technology in the iPad panel, they
put the megapixel iPad cam brain into it, touch ID, seems like absolute given.
Although, if I was the one designing the iPad Air 2, this is what I would put
into it as a fan of that device.
Andy: There’s two things, Touch ID’s a natural but also I
admit you know I admit when I ‘m wrong I’ve always thought taking pictures with
a tablets is the silliest thing in the world, but everywhere I go to when I go
to the tourists areas of Boston I see people holding up their iPads taking
pictures. So, I think I’ll be surprised if sometime in the next year or even
maybe next week if Apple doesn’t decide okay we’re taking the exact same camera
that we put on all the iPhones and, every iPad.
Leo: I never understood why they put the hobbled camera in
the iPad; it didn’t make sense to me. You got a great camera…
Alex: I think they put in 180 or one-inch chip…
Leo: I think got all the space…
Andy: They don’t have all the space, the want to make these
things thinner and, thinner…
Leo: They have the marketing opportunity the iPad selfie stick…
Rene: I’m just saying………
Andy: There’s two ways to look ridiculous walking through a
public garden. One is to be walking around with your phone on a selfie stick,
the other one is to get one of those jokes fake like dog leashes for the
invisible dog, at least the second one is funny. First one is just kind of sad.
Leo: Here’s the Michael report, getting a lot of attention
today Michael. Says, Apples’ unveil besides the iPod air 2 which is exactly as
everybody thought, also said to unveil a new line up of iMacs updated retina
display.
Alex: Which I think is highly probable.
Leo: Did I ask you about that?
Alex: Cause I just bought two, I’m sure that…
Leo: What is the current iMac twenty-seven inches 2660 by
1840?
Rene: It’s ……….
Leo: It’s pointy resolution to me Retina, correct me if
I’m wrong, of course it’s a pure marketing term, but Apple’s definition of that
is that at normal viewing distance for that object, whether it’s a phone or
whether it’s two feet away or a computer that’s arm’s length away you can’t see
a pixel. I can’t see a pixel on my iMac, it’s retina already.
Rene: I’m looking at a thunderbolt display I can see pixels
in the font there. But, again you know I worked in design for a long time, so
sometimes I’m sensitive to it. But, the idea that you want to take that panel,
at the least make it 4K because retina mac book pro isn’t really retina didn’t
double the previous mac book pro, kind of went to a middle ground and then Dan
samples it. But, you can do that with the 4K OR 5K or you can really pixel
double it and add two acts, on an iMac.
And, that would
make it an iMac display for photographers, graphic designers, for artists, for
people who just want the way this technology for a pan that is clear and crisp
as an iPhone or an iPad.
Leo: In fact Camera’s saying that 25-inch iMac is 109
pixels per inch, that’s actually low nowadays isn’t it.
Andy: Almost unacceptable. (Leo roaring with laughter)
Leo: I remember when 72 pixels per inch were enough for
everybody.
Andy: I was watching a documentary about remember when
cliff story was breaking about a Russian cyber espionage ring, the 1990
documentary for Nova is on there and, it was so much fun to look at these ASCII
display terminals with these big, big, big, big dots, better you have corners
on them.
But it would be
interesting to see what a retina iMac would do to the whole line up? But, I
think it would certainly be something that’s not……they would have immediate
plans to bring to the entire line up, but to put one high end machine out there
would be sort of like the mac pro of the iMac line, even if they default the iMac
pro, because I don’t think retina makes sense because for the majority of
people who’re buying iMacs out there, I mean the majority if users but there
are people out there that if you’re editing video you’re going to appreciate
that, but if you’re editing photos you’re really going to appreciate that and,
they would pay that extra for it.
Leo: I…
Rene: I’d stay with the Lamborghini…
Leo: I have some experience running 4K displays running on
my mac pro, with Yosemite. And, a couple of things I know Thunderbolt needs
dual channels to do it, right, a single thunderbolt channel’s not enough to
power that display. It needs…and the way it does it is really funky which is
paired side-by-side displays and, it’s easy for me scrolling the web to get
them out of sync. So, you get this weird tearing until you get to where you
want it to be.
Rene: Although, on an iMac it would be hidden built in.
Leo: Then, it would still be there and, the potential and
I still have the Yosemite gold master, which arrived while I was in London and
thank-you Apple. I just got it; it was there on my computer. And, while it’s
faster I mean, actually the last version of 4K was not very useable but it’s
faster, it was a little sluggish and everyone’s…there’s a lot of pixels to push
there and, that’s on a mac pro with dual video cards.
Rene: You’d wish there was something just inside the iMac
just to conduct that signal for them. It might not be bound by them at that
point if it’s inside that machine. (Cross talk)
Alex: I think they have to make a mountable with an HDMI in
with an Apple TV built into it.
Leo: Wait let me think about this? Are you talking Mac
mini? (Cross talk with Alex saying no, no, no)
Rene: You could be wrong about the TV too?
Alex: No, no
Leo: I know you want the Mac mini.
Alex: You can put the Apple TV into then and the HDMI cable
into it and, then make it mountable and, then you would have an iMac and…
Leo: You have to make it (cross talk)
Andy: That’s already a user installer upgrade, if you’ve
just got one of these…
Leo: A little duct tape to improve the…all right Yosemite
will probably see 101010 on a weekly direct. Gold master went out last week so…
Rene: It was last year’s behaviour and this year’s behaviour
should be the same.
Leo: That’ll bring us a couple of new things, continuity
and handoff with the desk top as well as IOS.
Alex: For those of willing to.
Rene: Which means that some of us will need IOS 8 at the
same time because that will enable the continuity features.
Leo: And, along with IOS 8 point one, Apple pay. (All
panellists agree)
Andy: That’s on the 20th or something.
Alex: This is just a sort of a reminder for people for
getting excited about this this is the curmudgeon or something?
Leo: Just getting excited about something.
Alex: If 8 O was any indication, when there’s a line and
you can’t see past it, let a couple of other people go first, that’s what I’m
saying, it might be, it might be a little golden cup, it might be a bunch of
saws that are tied.
Leo: Because you know what this is actually one of our
stories in our run down but the adoption of IOS 8 is kind of stalled down.
Alex: We’re all waiting for all the dust to settle.
Andy: What I’ve said before and it still sticks, IOS 8 is
one of the most important releases that has ever happened for IOS. Maybe even
one of the most important releases, but I can’t remember one of the most
important releases that has had so many broad problems. Yes this is one in
which they are finally are, there was a picture that popped up on Redditch, a
good one of when Truman took off the Whitehouse was about to collapse, because
it had been burned almost once and renovated badly and so there was a picture
in site and said guess what I’m moving across the street we’re going to gut out
the entire Whitehouse and, rebuild it from the inside out. And, that kind of
what IOS 8 has done, there’s so much infrastructure that has been gutted out
and, replaced with something much stronger and, better, but a lot of things are
seriously broken or inconveniencing a lot of people, our mutual friend John
Circusack where he had the wonderful experience that where updating his device
for iTunes deleted all of his playlists on that device and, then because it was
cloud synced oh you’ve deleted all the playlists on this device it will be
deleted on every mac and every device you own so he lost, he lost every iTunes
playlist, all of his music was still there but every list on his iTunes went
away. That’s why I myself have not put IOS 8 on everything yet. I suspect that
even when Yosemite comes out I will not put that out on the most important mac
for about a month a month and a half, because it’s not because Apple’s not
testing these things I don’t think they’ve ever had to do, I don’t think
they’ve rolled out things that are this important simultaneously cross platform
before so you’re going to have put the kind in the back-yard, let him fall down
and get grass stains and then figure out where golf holes are to fill in. What
a nice metaphor Andy, I would have thought that myself when it ran through my
head.
Rene: The only thing that I’ll add to that is something for
people after IOS 7 because they did these things like the redesign they became
more hesitant to do updates because last year changed so much I’m going to wait
and see what happens this year. The area seldom changes quickly, but over time
you do get new patterns and you do get people pay for Windows updates, and they
got IOS7 which was such a stark update that they learnt to wait for IOS updates
now.
Leo: So, last year this time, almost 70 per cent of iPad
users had adopted IOS 7. Almost 70 per cent this year 47 per cent and it stuck
at 47 per cent and it was 47 per cent two weeks ago, its still 47 per cent.
Now, I have to say 8(point) 01(point) had something to do with that. That must
have scared the pants of people.
Alex: I know how I would look at it, hey would you like to
upgrade? No, maybe I’ll wait just a little while longer.
Leo: But, Apple’s showing some confidence because late in
the month last month they stopped signing IOS 7. So you cannot downgrade after
IOS 8 anymore. That was the fixed rate (point) 0(point) one. Can’t do it
anymore because apparently they’ve stopped signing it. So that means that Apple
has full confidence from now on there will not be any show stoppers.
Alex: Typically, what happens is that you have these?
Leo: Wish I shared their confidence.
Alex: Typically what’ll happen is they’ll have some app or
some feature that you finally need to upgrade for and that’ll kind of pull you
forward, and it’s going to have get back to the 70 per cent or whatever.
Leo: Is it our advice, I think that it is that you should
wait till you know whether you need one of those things.
Rene: Always wait let some-one else be the target.
Andy: That’s always good news double good news, in this
case even if you decide soon enough there’s going to be apps that you’re going
to want to break you that are going to require IOS 8, but even that kind of
stuff is delayed right now too. So, there is very little cause to wait when you
need to upgrade.
Leo: Apple pay is going to be a good reason to do that.
Alex: I think so.
Leo: And, that’s October 20th you said.
Rene: If you have it in your area.
Leo: In your area (Laughing)
Alex: That can’t be.
Andy: It’s going to roll out that day. They’re banding
about the idea that 80 per cent of check outs will have some form of it
available to you but that’s I ‘m sure down the road I think that you’re going
to have go down to specific stores to change to get it right now.
Although, that does
raise an interesting question that given that Apple’s had a few very public
stumbles deploying new soft-ware and new services for the past month or two,
who is going to be the first to attach their debit or credit card to Apple Pay?
It’s not that I
don’t have faith in it, but it’s going to be jinxy if that has an effect on the
option rate at least early on.
Leo: Well, you kind of already have a credit card attached
to your Apple account anyway.
Andy: Yeah, but now you’re basically hoping that the person…whenever
soft-wares running computers connected to your Walgreen, sort of at the bank
that is connected to your Walgreen’s, it’s so difficult to understand what this
train of transaction is because by necessity it’s complicated, okay how is the…it’s
not true that an administrator working behind the counter at your local drug
store can screw up this terminal that Apple Pay is insecure and does not work
properly.
Leo: You and know that this is a really secure…way to do
it because they’re not getting the credit card number,
Andy: And that is the pearl of this, but I wonder a lot of
people will be thinking oh well, look at how they had to do IOS 8 but,
immediately nook edit from the air because it was so bad, it was so dangerous
to do iPhones. You know it’s going to be interesting to see how this works.
Alex: I also think that it would interesting to see if
people start making decisions about where they shop, you know based on it?
Leo: I shop. It’s not the first time I go in I go to a
coffee shop and it’s really easy to pay that’s going to encourage me to go back
to that.
Alex: And, also of we keep on seeing security breaches with
peoples…if you have a phone you can do this, and…
Leo: Morgan,
Alex: Chase, VIVO you have all these issues where you start
going I really just don’t want to do that anymore. If I have choice between
Walmart and (interrupted by Leo) then take it somewhere else.
Leo: That’s up to Apple to really communicate that clearly
this is safe, this is safe. My other concern is the retail purchasing I’m going
to go in and say here I am to pay and they’re going to say what are you doing
with your credit card……I feel like they’re not going to get it.
Rene: Why are you mad at me sir?
Andy: Well, they’re almost like what you’re facing as a
consumer is as what a McDonald clerk faces where you’re expected to handle all
the transactions yourself pick what kind of card you’re going to be using, okay
what mode you want to use it as a debit card or a credit card? Okay so now put
in the pin and if you want cash back, you’re asking for…all that little clerk
is waiting for is that little clunk noise for the cash register drawer to open
up and for it to confirm and okay hand
me my diet Dr Pepper and my food with it. I must say this is what makes it so
brilliant for Apple as some-one like myself is facing the idea of okay I own my
android phone it’s…I own it free and, clear if I want to buy a new phone if I
want, I’m really intrigued by the iPhone. The idea of not having to take a
hundred dollars out of the bank every time I’m about to go about to dinner some
place I don’t want to hand over my credit card to a strange person who takes it
away that would be enough to make me think I do want to switch to an iPhone
now.
So, this is going
to be one of the most important launches that Apple has ever done, because it’s
a brand new service they have never done before and if they stumble hard on
this one it’s going to take them a long time to recover.
Alex: And, the other side on that is that if they do really
well on this it gets really hard to catch up.
Leo: Even Bill Gates said he liked Apple Pay.
Alex: Yeah.
Leo: Even Bill Gates is excited about this. He said that
Apple’s not doing it for any altruistic reason, they’re in it for the money but
in fact this is going to really transform not only the US, but the economy
world-wide this is really good in developing nations where…(Heated cross talk)
Alex: They have been paying with their phones in the world
for the last five years. So, this is us catching up and, it’ll be easier than
some of the ways they do it there.
Andy: Alex. Alex we’re an Apple show you should know more
than anybody else United States is not catching up we’re iterating.
Alex: Ahhhh, Okay.
Leo: We should mention that the Michael report does not
confirm a 12(point) 9-inch iPad pro. They’re not…so it looks like a week from
Thursday they’ll do a special event 10.00am, we’ll do the same thing we always do…we
do it early Tech News tonite or today. But it looks like…have you got an invitation;
I presume you guys will, will you come out for this Andy?
Andy: I have to figure that out, as a matter of fact I’m
travelling again this weekend okay from New York for Comicon, but I’m meeting
people….
Leo: Rene has a corporate parent, you do not.
Andy: Exactly. See these hands they are not shackled by a
corporate over lord.
Leo: But they are wearing a Moto 360?
Andy: No, no, no that is still the old strap or bracelet
part of my probation so I don’t drive anymore that’s all. I have to breathe
into this before I ride a bicycle. But, I don’t know let’s get an invitation
first and then I‘ll think about. Usually if the rumor is true that it is in
Cupertino that is also going to be factor. I think for some people but not for
all people, because it makes it a little bit more difficult to go but we’ll
figure that out.
Leo: And, it’s smaller venue what it’s only about 350
people at one time. It’s really small venue so they won’t send out all the
invitations they sent out the last time. So the new iPads will have a mini? When
I say the word mini I mean the mac mini?
Andy: No,
Leo: Mac Mini, iPad air 2 which won’t have a number it
will certainly be the new iPad air (Alex right) OS 10 Yosemite pretty sure
right (cross talk) continuity and all that, according to the Michael report,
it’s the eight time that I mentioned the name today a whole bunch of updated
soft-ware, iMovie, final cut pro 10, etc, does that make sense?
Andy: Yeah, remember Yosemite brings sense to fundamental
changes to how a mac user handles photos and videos so everything’s going to be
updated.
Leo: Anybody want to go on the record predicting anything
else? Will there be a new mac mini?
Rene: It’s so past it, I mean we all have to think of
Haswell.
Alex: If the mac mini had been upgraded it wouldn’t be part
of the announcement. (Cross talk)
Rene: Retina Mac Books and Retina Air Books might be ready
and get a couple of minutes of spiel from Phil Schiller I hope.
Leo: Schill Philler, Phil Schiller.
Alex: That was a very interesting swop.
Leo: I never thought our Schill Philler is here to take
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Chad: It might just be the account that I use.
Leo: It just might be. I should log into my account just
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They have courses
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Alex: How to distribute your resume without your boss
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Leo: That’s a good one. Just show that screen L-Y-N-D-A
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that are in IOS 8 but there are a few things that we should mention. I’m sure
Steve Gibson if he didn’t talk about it last week will talk about this week.
The broken mac address randomization feature…I don’t know much about it.
Rene: We did a time research I think Rick Arnought I think
he spent four or five nights just running test against test and it seems to not
work when your iPhone is awake looking for things. But when it’s asleep,
because everybody has so many notifications it’s waking up constantly.
Leo: There’s even issues with…I don’t even want to go
through with this. There’s problems with IOS 8, private browsing mode, maybe
not so private….
Alex: But, it will get better.
Leo: The point on that one is that you can have a private
browsing section, close it, go back to Safari and, low and behold all your
stuff’s still there. So what does it mean private?
Rene: In IOS 7 it was screen shot that as, you would screen
shot your browser when you came back to the app making it look like it was
restoring to its app faster in your private browsing window, it would show up
immediately. They’re working their way through it.
Alex: I think my whole thing whether it’s path, or secret
or private browsing when you’re on the Internet; you’re in public, just……
Leo: Just don’t dance around in your underwear.
Rene: Or somebody else’s.
Leo: Oh that’s okay. We’ve got a replacement for Katy
Cotton, it’s Apple veteran Steve Dowling, and do you guys know him? Nice guy,
friendly?
Rene: Corporate PR for Apple for a long, long time.
Leo: Okay so he’s the logical kind of…apparently he’s………..By
the way this is not applicable to any end-user, but we care about it because
these are the people we deal with. I don’t deal with them they don’t like me,
so it doesn’t matter to me. Look at that friendly likeable face floating above Tim
Cook.
Rene: Call him super lips
Leo: I think that John Paczkowski come to Photoshop,
lately because he’s doing a lot of photo shopping, lately on his pictures on
his posts.
Rene: It’s avatar 2.
Leo: Is it avatar two?
Rene: Yeah twitter avatar has full road warrior face paint
on it.
Leo: Yeah, see I think he just took a course, what the
hell! That’s not KISS, what is it? Is it road warrior mad max-I don’t know.
Andy: …….Kubuki,
Leo: Also is that him in the stiff collar or some-body
else? Doesn’t look like him? That looks like a 1920 picture of somebody I went
to school with. I don’t know who that
is.
Andy: It’s 1920’s banker Stephen Kobber.
Leo: Yeah, exactly (Rene roaring with laughter) So I’m
reading along the LA times you know. I get to page four it says lifestyle at
Apple was really tough under Scott Forstall or something. I was going to save
for you, I’m sorry I didn’t. But it says according to Don Melton talking on bug
podcast you got a lot of coverage, Rene, we’ve talked about the show, since the
week of the show, Don has been on it. Is he a host is just online?
Rene: No he’s a co-reviewer on the podcast where we talk about
80s movies which is a lot of fun, but he came on, so Don, if people are not
familiar with him he was a former director of internet technologies at Apple so
he’s headed safari and, web kit and a lot of that kind of stuff. And, he came
on with Nitin Ganetra who was with the IOS app, he was in charge of the mail
app you know anything that wasn’t web based and the original iPhone. And, they
just talked about a couple of things like what it was like to demo for Steve
Jobs when the demo went horribly wrong and, what kind of desk choices they made
for gestures and short computer buttons and, web versus native and all these
different things. But at one point they talked about meetings at Apple and,
just to be clear they are talking about director level and high management
level. And, that you had a Monday meeting so you prepared for them on Sunday
night. Their schedule’s not…I don’t do nearly as important work, but their
schedule is not too dissimilar from my schedule for when you wanted to start up
in any major company. But there was a news report and they put up a blog that
this sounds absolutely horrible and then I’m convinced that no-one else
bothered to listen to the show and he blogged that over, over, over and over
again.
Leo: One of the key points that I like and, this is from
the London Times, but one of the pieces, I can’t wait de-bug 47, the current
one actually…was that Don was really upset, that everybody was really upset,
sopranos sounded because they knew that Forstall was a big fan of the Sopranos so
they’d have free hour every Sunday night so that they could visit their
families before they had to go back and start up hell.
Rene: I mean there’s a part two to that show that they’ve
recorded but we haven’t put it up yet. They’re really clear they’re not
complaining about this in any way about the performance they’re kind of
offended that people are complaining. They were incredibly engaged energetic
engineers that were passionate about a project and, they were making an iPhone,
I mean they made the iPhone, which is not an insignificant achievement, which
took a lot of effort to get that thing out of the door.
Leo: I was speaking to Phil Libin the CEO of Evernote
about this and he said that if you’re doing something that’s going to make a
difference, you’re passionate, you’re really engaged about it, it’s more like I
want to get back to it than like how can I take a break. You want to do this,
you’re excited about this, and he says he’s not always happy, but always you
know you’re doing something important, that’s fine you dream for this.
Now admittedly if
you have a family it’s not ideal, but I’ve talked to a lot of other people even
Lisa our COE said well that’s normal.
Rene: There was a line that funny I think that…Melton said
you don’t coast through a job at Apple and they said oh my God these people do
not want to work at a job that you would coast through.
Leo: Exactly.
Rene: They would be bored out of their socks.
Alex: I look at some jobs where people are doing you know
very repetitive…
Leo: You want to 9 to 5, go to an assembly line.
Rene: There are people at Apple who work 9 to 5; I mean
there are e lot of people at Apple 9 to 5 people who are major new directors of
new products.
Leo: Right.
Rene: Working 9 to 5 and we heard from some people who said
yes this is true and, they left Apple because they didn’t like the schedule…
Leo: There’s got to be a burn out.
Rene: Other people said this made them want to go back to
Apple or that they were hesitant about working at Apple, but some said it
sounds like a place they want to work at, people spoke very differently.
Leo: A lot of people that I know who used to work at Apple
look at as the best and the worst times in their lives, challenging, difficult
Steve was very difficult, but they also know they it made a huge difference
they were doing something important and they really cherished that time. But,
as you get older you know…
Rene: Don made web kit and safari and we’re complaining
about him using the technology he helped create.
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Alex: One of the things that is interesting is that one of
the people in our company that just call in for customer support, and it’s not because
they know that we talk about it that way, it’s just…
Leo: So the sapphire factory has gone belly up. I guess
they’re going to stay in business, but they’ve, they’ve gone is it Chapter 7 or
Chapter 11, they’re going for a reorganization, even though they have hundreds
and millions of dollars in the bank. And, some people are blaming Apple, this
is GT Advanced. At first we thought, didn’t we think that Apple owned these
guys? We knew that Apple had invested in them because they wanted sapphire for
the iPhone, but it turns out that it turned out too expensive to put sapphire
in the front face of the iPhone.
Alex: From the report what it looks like is that Apple
bought it from them and then leased it back to them.
Leo: It’s so complicated. In late 2013 Apple signed a 578
million dollar deal with GT Advanced TECHNOLOGIES to produce sapphire but,
abruptly this week they said we’re filing for Chapter 11. Bankruptcy protection
GT said they have approximately 85 million dollars of cash, but they’re seeking
new financing so that they can satisfy the obligations, in other words
creditors.
Alex: Right. (Some cross talk)
Leo: I thought that Chapter 7 was a reorganization, I
don’t know Chapter 11 is a re-organization right? But it is bankruptcy it is
the big B word.
Alex: I have a little experience of this, I don’t know why
but the hard part of working with a large company that’s going down innovative
directions and so, on and so forth, keeping up with them, if you don’t go fast
enough, they’ll go find somebody else and if you over shoot them you suddenly
over shoot them then you end up spending a lot of money into something else.
Leo: Or, they thought that Apple was going top order 20
million sapphire screens for their phones and, then Apple didn’t.
Alex: Or, it didn’t work, and the problem is that
technology isn’t working yet and,
Leo: Rumor was that they couldn’t do it. There were two
rumors either it was too expensive or it didn’t work.
Alex: Whatever that is the issue that you get into is…
Leo: 7 is liquidation, 11 is re-organization. Thank-you
Chad.
Alex: But I think most likely what happened here is that
they were in almost in the right place at the right time. But they had to
invest really heavily to try and…because you got to be ready to serve 4 million
phones a day, you know what ever that is you know. That is an incredible number
I can’t even imagine having to build up the capacity for that. If that does not
end being the case and now you’re going to be moving to watches there’s a huge
change in your income process. I don’t …….I think they’re probably fine what
they can’t do is make the payments. If they keep on making the payments, I mean
they’re probably thinking this out that if they want to keep making the
payments, they probably want to close down in three months and there’s no way
that we’re going to get that revenue, I mean from a business perspective it
probably makes sense.
Leo: There may be a larger issue here, apparently
according to the Wall Street Journal the CEO of GT Advanced Technologies sold a
160,000 dollars worth of its stock a day before the iPhone was announced. (Leo
making some strange noises) There’s the stock price.
Alex: That’s because he was expecting to see sapphire in
the phone and, he knew
Leo: But you don’t do that the FCC frowns upon that kind
of thing.
Alex: Inside information.
Leo: Shares had doubled,
Alex: That’s why a lot of CEOs for a lot of these companies
have scheduled sell offs where they’re selling a certain number of their
stocks, literally everyday selling a certain number all the time rather than
ever creating these spikes.
Leo: Man, well there you go. I don’t know what’s going on
there. There is sapphire, Apple, said there is sapphire in at least one of the
three models of the iWatch.
Rene: I think the top two.
Leo: I think the top two editions and, sports…or is the
sports the cheap one?
Rene: Yeah, the regular edition has.
Leo: Is that what they call it the regular?
Rene: No, it’s just Apple watch.
Leo: Just the Apple watch…
Rene: The adjective to hang off the end of it.
Leo: The Sports Watch Edition. Okay.
Alex: And the edition is just the gold one right?
(Panellists agree yeah) Everything’s the same except that…
Leo: The yatching edition let’s say.
Speaking of gold
may be on the new iPad? That’s what you know you kind of shave the thing,
because it’s like it’s fenced.
Alex: It’s like the gold iPhone.
Rene: I literally thought it was too much gold, then they
have done the iPhone 6 plus in gold and, then they leaped to the iPad minis not
so big. But then if you leap to the air, it’s not…
Leo: So now we have ben gate as to hairgate. I feel like
that people are just whinny. So ben gate as you know…….
Alex: Benghazi?
Leo: Who called it Benghazi?
Rene: I think it was Ellia……of Touch ID? (Cross talk)
Andy: Stop doubling down on me.
Leo: Bendghazi was the iPhone’s bendable…the…any metal
phone’s bendable, MA’d consumer reports metal phones are even more bendable,
but that’s for some people and, I fell bad for Apple now because weenies are
going into the Apple store and, bending the phone.
Rene: Physics is bad.
Leo: (Pretending to bend his iPhone) I bent it! Well, know
the newest one is people are bitching, probably Kim Kardashian I don’t know,
people are bitching that there is getting caught in the cracks of the iPhone 6
plus.
Rene: Christina Warren had a great video up she did
exhaustive testing on……
Alex: What did she do move it through her hair?
Rene: She got the whole mashable stats sort of there.
Leo: And, did she find any catch?
Alex: Did any one get lice? I mean…
Leo: No, we’re clean. She made a video that hair gate is
not a thing in three seconds after the ad concludes. I’m sorry…it didn’t
conclude but I’m going to skip it. Will see Christina Warren running an iPhone
through her hair. (Showing You Tube Video) do you not hear anything? That’s
because I have the sound muted. Let’s turn it way up…(music playing) his
rubbing that on his beard, I think that
Footage from video:
what’s happening is that hair is getting trapped…
Leo: Who are the people who are complaining about this? You’ve
got to feel like Apple’s a target for some people.
Andy: Yeah, that’s got to be some good news for somebody at
Apple to find out that they look like they’re finally running out of things to
complain about.
Leo: (Roaring with laughter) Hair Gate! Don’t comb your
hair with your phone, okay?
Andy: That looks like how you would trick a suspect if you
need any new DNA evidence.
Hey, there’s a funny trick that you can do
with your phone…would do mine out of this plastic baggy?
Leo: There’s plenty if you want to bitch about the phone,
there’s plenty to complain about. You don’t need to make up bending and hair plugs…
Rene: Samsung Galaxy Note Book, Leo, it’s a business card
holder, put that on your desk in front some clients.
Leo: That’s normal. That’s right. You know if you want to
complain about the iPhone, look at IOS 8 there’s bug you can complain about, if
things don’t work, there are some legitimate complaints. But I think that if
your get’s stuck in it is a little…….
Alex: I think the biggest problem is that plus just looks
silly when you put it up against your face.
Leo: That really doesn’t bother me.
Alex: Well, I really don’t do that very often I mean, I
almost never.
Leo: Who makes phone calls anymore? Every time I say that
one guy in the chat room says I do! But, it’s not …….I mean it’s not a phone,
let’s face it’s a computer.
Andy: But, how many people would be freaked out if when
they’re in their actual office, they have to use their network desk phone
that’s pretty much bigger than an iPhone 6 plus, is that not and they have a
problem holding that thing in front of their face.
Leo: Try bending that?
Alex: It’s, a big screen up against your face, it’s weird.
Andy: It’s a big hunk of a phone that plays movies don’t
complain.
Leo: This was the thing when the Note the Galaxy Note
first came out, years ago.
(in a heavy voice)
Were you holding a candy bar and whatever and, then we just got used to it,
just like iPad photos we got used to it.
Rene: Samsung put theirs on the table in the first year and
nobody could believe how big they are, and now they look at them and the new iPhone
looks like a toy in your living room.
Leo: I’ll tell you what I do feel like the iPhone 6 plus
real estate is mostly wasted because most apps have not been updated. So, all
you’re getting is a blown up picture.
Alex: Right.
Rene: Especially the big companies. Like a lot of Indian
companies have updated it, but most of the other companies haven’t yet.
Leo: Google just updated GMAIL.
Andy: Right.
Leo: Ooooh I haven’t launched it yet……oooh look how crisp
that is. It was looking a little soft-focused because it was just been blown
up. But now it takes advantage of the high res.
Rene: I found something really interesting, I restore iPhones
as new, I don’t restore back-up and I haven’t as yet had to install a single
Google app, that really surprised me.
Leo: You thought that you needed the Google?
Rene: I thought I did, because Google Maps recently made a
change in that in no longer announced the exit number, just the name of the
roads.
Leo: Right.
Rene: Montreal roads are really complicated, there’s some
French, there’s some English there’s nine different roads every time, and
they’re getting them wrong, and, so I don’t use Google Maps anymore and then
GMAIL over exchange was great. The You Tube website is no less annoying than
within the You Tube App, and I’m sure at some point, but I haven’t had to yet…
Leo: You’re not a Google Plus user, obviously?
Rene: I use Google Plus on the desktop. I use Google
Hangouts on the desktop. I have just never needed to use them on my phone.
Leo: You can’t install them on the phone right away with
the photo back up. I love the auto awesomes and, all that stuff.
Rene: I don’t mind Google Drive but I don’t think that idea
of putting my photos on Facebook or Google Plus. I prefer the actual file
system to the social networks.
Alex: I like both.
Leo: That's because
you're very old-fashioned.
Leo: I put my photos
there, not just because I'm posting them on Google+, but I like what they do
with them. It's an archive.
Andy: Of the many
reasons why the new Flickr app is just sad- I can't think of another service
that has such a completely inverse relationship between how good the service is
and how good the mobile apps are. I was trying out a brand new phone in Chicago
and I download the Flickr app, and of course it defaulted to upload everything
that you do to the server. And so to this day- I haven't bothered weeding it
out yet. -There's a series of 12 photos of the inside of my motel room because
I was holding down the shutter button to see how fast it takes pictures, and
that's the only way that I found out, oh it's actually putting everything on
Flickr. Not publicly, of course but privately. Even so, the fact that they,
without my willful intent, I have placed photos in the Cloud and the fact that
it's just shots of a messy hotel room desk doesn't minimize how offended I am
that this sort of thing can happen.
Leo: Wow, yeah. So
here's the trip to London.. These are pictures, that not only were taken with
an iPhone, but I took a little Moto X with me as well and Google made a little
photo album that I didn't even need to do.
Alex: Because I have
different phones, what I like about the Google+ Android system is that whether
I'm taking them on an Android phone or an iPhone, everything just ends up in
the same place.
Leo: Yeah. So are
these screenshots, Chad? Is that how you do this?
Chad: Yes.
Leo: Thank you, Chad!
So this is the iPhone 6+, I didn't even know you had a 6+. Zoom in a little
bit...
5: Turn down the brightness.
Leo: Oh yeah, my
brightness, it's awfully bright. There we go. So this is the Gmail app before
the update. You see it's just blown up and you can see some softness in the
text there. And here, oooh. Crisp, beautiful. It would do the horizontal thing
if it weren't a screenshot.
Rene: I love that
multi-pane view on the 6+. It's like having a tiny iPad.
Leo: Yeah. But you
make a good point Rene. There isn't, for an iPhone user, a lot of strong
reason- And that's what Apple wants obviously. We used Apple Maps in London, I
didn't have Google Maps on my phone, and it worked great.
Rene: If you know the
exact place you're going to Apple Maps is really good. Their sloppy search is
still nowhere as good as Google's.
Leo: Right.
Rene: They will either
take you to the wrong continent or they won't recognize the place that- Like if
you type in a name, instead of finding the one that's closest to you, it'll
just go to some random...
Andy: Google Maps does
that as well.
Leo: Everybody does
that.
Alex: I don't want to
go to Italy today...
Leo: I do want to go
to Italy but I'm not and that's why I don't want to know about it. The panorama
stuff on the iPhone is spectacular. Here's pictures of the iTunes festival. In
fact, I took one for you Alex- Which, it's Google Auto-Awesome so it's
completely useless. -Of the setup here. They had a sound board, a mixing board,
the jib, they had a slider. You know, one of those rail cameras? But they had a
video camera on a slider that would just go across. I can't wait to go home and
watch- This was the last day of the iTunes festival. -Watch the broadcast
again. But they really did a nice job and no problems with the stream. No
problems with the stream at all. But I think the pictures I took with the iPhone
were absolutely the most satisfying. In some ways, competing with some of the
pictures I took with a fancy camera. But the panoramas... Oh, there's Henry
VIII, he showed up and that was so exciting.It was great, so exciting. They're
playing drafts, Cardinal got bored and wondered off.
Andy: League Football
goes everywhere doesn't it?
Leo: Not the football
draft?!
Andy: I'm sorry to say
that I keep meaning to finish up my iPhone reviews. It's just that they keep
getting more and more in depth and so I think I'm ready to go back up to the
surface now where there's air and light. But yeah, I'm so terribly with the
quality of photos that the 6 and the 6+ are taking. They still can't take the
place of a "real `camera," because they're still camera phones but
the ability to not only take good pictures out of the box but, I can't think of
another phone that I've ever tried where there's so much data and there's so
much latitude inside that .jpeg where if you want to change the exposure or the
color or anything like that- Just like pushing sliders around in iPhoto or
whatever is going to be replacing it in a couple of weeks. -And make the photo
that you want, make it look like you didn't change a darn thing. I'm terribly,
terribly impressed. So much so that last night I spent some time updating my 60
photo gallery that I'm going to be posting to Flickr and saying, you know what,
I've never done this before but I'm going to post the originals as well as a
side gallery that would be here's what I would normally do, even with my nice
Olympus camera, I would not upload .jpeg's, I would spend at least thirty
seconds on each one, no more than a minute. Just saying I wish that were a
little bit sharper, I wish that color were a bit more intense, I want the
shadows to be a little bit less intense over here because you're right, when
you mix in photos from the iPhone 6 and 6+ with your regular library it becomes
really hard sometimes to tell the difference between the ones you shot with
your phone and the ones you shot with your really really nice- Almost as
expensive as a decent used car. -Camera.
Leo: Yeah, I brought
my Sony A7S and it has a pano setting so I shot one from the dome of St. Paul's
Cathedral. And then I shot the same thing with my phone and in some ways, I
think the phone is almost better. Look at how much detail as I zoom in.
4:You put your finger on something that is unique to the iPhone...
I've never seen another phone that is even competent at doing panoramas and yet
the iPhone is almost always perfect right out of the camera.
Leo: By the way, you
shoot this in a second. You push the button move the phone sideways a little
and it's done.
Alex: One of the
things they do really well is they're doing pixel by pixel analysis to figure
out which pixels to use. Almost all other phones what they do is they take a
bunch of full pictures and blend them. That's why you get all of these little
blends and stuff. But the iPhone at every moment is making a decision for what
pixels and what part to include where.
Andy: One of the thing
that really impresses me is one of my standard panorama shots of the Grand
Staircase in the Boston Public Library with the lions, the murals, the marble
stairs and everything. And there's almost always people there too and the
panorama is almost always able to make it freeze each individual person in
place.
Leo: Wow, that's a
challenge, that's hard.
Andy: Yeah, it's a
great panorama in and of itself but I really want to mention this again, I
can't think of another camera phone that is even decent at doing panoramas. If I
had anything other than an iPhone in my pocket, I would simply snap a sequence
of photos and stitch them back together in Photoshop when I got home.
Leo: Yeah, really
impressive. How does it compare to the 1020? I said on Twitter that I thought
the camera on the iPhone is the best camera phone on the market today, the iPhone
6 and 6+.
Andy: I would not have
agreed to that, the 5s compared to 1020. I will agree with that the iPhone 6
and 6+ versus the 1020. However-
Leo: This is the 41
megapixel Nokia camera.
Andy: Exactly. The
Nokia still has 2 features that the iPhone 6 and no other phone can match,
which is it has a real flash and it has that for real 41 megapixel sensor.
Which means there are so many things that so many photos are enhanced with a
little pop of real flash as opposed to a glowing LED no matter how bright that
LED is. You can do those sort of things in the Nokia that you can't do
otherwise, also as much as I might have joked about this, what nonsense a 41
megapixel phone sensor, dammit that actually works. You can really zoom in and
make a good 8x10 print off of a section of a picture you've taken with the
Nokia. With the iPhone, I do and I don't want them to make a higher resolution
version of that sensor because there are times where I wish that I could just
crop a little bit tighter but I know that there just isn't enough pixel data to
make that happen. On the other hand, everything else about this picture- The
skin tone, the detail, the way the colors pop, the way that there are details in
the shadows, even if you cant see it on the screen. The way that you can just
tease it up. I just nudge a little slider in the desktop app a little to the
right, I would not give that up for an extra four pixels of resolution.
Alex: Do you find that
the low light on the Nokia and the 6+ or 6 are comparable?
Andy: Yes, I would say
so. The 5 and the 5s both had a really infuriating problem that I tried to
really find real answers to. All I can say is my impression about the way those
two handle low light was that there's a point in which the light gets lower and
lower in different situations. Like, okay I can handle it, I can handle it, I
can handle it okay screw it there's no way I can take a good picture here. I'm
just going to throw everything to the wind and just be happy taking some kind
of image. At some point when the light gets really low it's going to be like,
not only am I going to increase the ISO higher than it needs to go, but I'm
also going to obliterate all detail and take a lower resolution picture and do
something synthetically. Which is why the only situation in which other phones
are just blowing the 5 and the 5s out of the water were interior of a museum
overcast days when the light is really not that great. It's not that the iPhone
would take a poor picture, it's just that you would zoom in a little bit and
see that there was absolutely no fine detail in this picture. They completely
solved that problem with the iPhone 6. The preview of one of the important
points from my photo review is that there is a multitudenessly greater
difference between the quality of the iPhone 6 and 6+ pictures and the 5s than
there is between the 6+ and the 6. I was expecting the image stabilization on
the 6+ to be a huge factor. It's present but it's not as big as the big leap
that the iPhone 6 made from the 5s.
Rene: Remember when
the 1020 looked big?
Leo: Yeah. Still has
a big hump.
Andy: Exactly, people
say, I'm embarrassed for Nokia, designing a camera that has a lump on the side
of it. You know what you're idiots. Be interested in design, be fascinated by
design but don't be a design wonk. There's a line between design nerd and
design wonk. If you're complaining about this camera that takes manifestly
superior pictures in so many situations is a little bit thicker in this part
than in that part you're just a useless design wonk, go away. Put down the
keyboard back away from your computer.
Alex: I'm still
waiting for the Panasonic, that's going to be my next Android phone.
Andy: I cannot wait to
see that. This is the Android phone with a full-on 1" sensor with a real
lens on it and doesn't look like the Samsung version of that phone which is
they basically designed a regular camera with a zoom and basically put an
Android screen behind it. This looks like a thick phone but a very realistic
Android phone and boy, that would be so tempting. To have a for real camera
with a real sensor and a real flash. That said though, there's so much more to-
I'm glad I took this extra time because it took me an extra week to stop
thinking about the technical aspects of a lens by taking a picture and taking
that picture off the camera or device and putting it onto Photoshop or
something like that and just saying what can I do with it on camera? The new
image adjustment features they put into the camera app are phenomenal. I'm not
even going to try the brightness or contrast control because it's just useless.
It's more like you have a person who is knowledgeable in aperture working for
you inside of that phone and you tell that person, I want that picture to be
brighter. And he understands that he wants it to be brighter but he doesn't
want the highlights to be blown out and he doesn't want there to be no shadows
whatsoever anchoring the image. And for every one of these little sliders,
you're basically indicating your intent to make a change to the picture, but
then there's software that decides the best way to apply that intent and so the
ability to change things inside that device is better than any free with the
phone operating system solution that's out there. I'm not even sure that there
is a better third-party image adjustment
software for any phone or any tablet out there. I've made some changes to that
final review by saying that, you almost want to change the way you take pictures
now. Whereas before you were like, I got to make sure I got the lighting
correctly, I got to make sure the exposure is correct, but with the iPhone 6
you have such great and simple editing tools right there in your camera roll
that you might as well get it within about 10% of what it needs to be because
you can very easily make a fine grained adjustment that gives you- It's the
difference between what the phone thinks is a good version of this picture to
what you think is a good version of this picture. Very exciting.
Alex: I also like
hyper lapse.
Leo: I love hyper
lapse. Now they have this time lapse capability in the iPhone camera, but it's
not as good as this right? So this is a time lapse I shot with my iPhone 6
pressed against the windshield of the top floor of a double decker bus as we
went through London at rush hour. So this is 12x, you have your choice, but
this also did amazing smoothing because the bus was bouncing around.
Alex: One of the
things I noticed with hyper lapsed, is that one of the things that it seems to
be doing is when you increase the speed it stabilizes by picking different
pictures or something because what you'll notice is it looks really rocky at 4x
and it gets smoother as you speed it up. And it looks like it's looking for
something to give it back to you smoother but hyper lapse is really cool.
Leo: Look how smooth
this is. A couple of takeaways- Boy, it's crazy in London at rush hour.
Everywhere I guess, but look at all of the pedestrians and bikes, they're just
weaving in and out. That's Trafalgar Square right there.
Alex: I want to do one
in Mumbai. Well the next time I'm in Mumbai.
Leo: And a bus is a
good thing, as it stops and starts, there's something about it that makes it an
interesting time lapse. This is a 25 minute ride in 2 minutes.
Rene: I just won a
speeder bike test in the forest.
Leo: Wouldn't that be
fun, yeah.
Andy: That's another
thing that's worth mentioning... The built-in video mode in the camera app
smooths out the bumps exceptionally well. I just posted a video yesterday of a
musical performance in Quinty Marketplace about a week ago and I'm moving
around a little bit while trying to hold the phone steady. I'm holding it like
this and looking behind me here and there to be sure I'm not about to step into
a baby carriage or something. And it really does look like a steady cam shot
because you can never see a hint of bumping or jittering around there and I'm
just so impressed with the video mode on this camera and you can tell how
excited I am about this because I'm not someone who gets excited about video it
just makes it so easy to take good-looking videos with this device it makes you
want to get up and try out some more. Have you tried the super slow mow?
Rene: Caldwell took it
to roller derby and she did the slow mow both 120 and 240 because at 240
there's not enough light sometimes if you're inside or if the conditions are
dark but the 120 looks fantastic.
Alex: Well and one of
the things you really have to think about was is that issue where it's 240 vs
120- We've done a couple of projects where it's 1,000 fps or 10,000 fps and you
know it's going to be slow but don't realize, oh we can't do that inside
because there's just not enough light. We'd need a really big light like the
sun. Now there are big places or studios you can go to do that but it becomes a
real challenge. But I just want to point out that I spent a lot of money on a
camera that lets me do 240 fps and I can now do it on my iPhone. Not that I'm
bitter and angry but have you guys done very many tests with the 240 because
that's pretty much all I would do.
Rene: I went to one of
those restaurants where they do the fire in front of you and I tried it at 120
and 240 and it's just great.
Andy: Yeah, sorry I
hadn't posted it yet but it turns out that on the day that I walked around for
9 hours saying I'm going to shoot tons of pictures with this thing, not only
was there a stunt team doing leaps over
banks of 9 tourists crouched down so I got that and then I came across a couple
of college students who had the sticks with two ropes between them that would
make huge bubbles with it and you want to see a really good example of 240 fps?
See the shapes that happens with this cubic yard of bubble as it's being pulled
out of this frame and then hovering through the air. It then makes a touch with
the cement fountain and it goes pop.
Alex: I'm waiting for
someone to shoot an entire high school football game with iPhone 6's. So it's
like you see the slow motion and all of the bits and pieces-
Andy: Yeah, it gets
you excited about using this new phone, about using this video camera. As I
said, I'm not usually the type of person who is just terribly interested in
shooting video but this got me so interested and you're right, the time lapse
stuff, I had it on a tripod and had my lunch in the public garden and it was
aiming at a footbridge that goes over the lagoon and not just paying attention
to it I took it off of the tripod half an hour later and it's just the most
exciting and pretty thing to look at later on. I was so glad I brought my tripod along because it looks so
cool that way.
Leo: So this is 1x
speed of a guy rollerblading backwards and here's the 1/2 speed which is 120-
Rene: Yeah because you
can do 60 fps video now if you want to.
Leo: Ah, yeah.
Andy: I also have that
music video in the chatroom too if you're interested.
Leo: So this is 240
fps and as you said, Rene it is dark. You go down to 120 and it's not so dark.
Serenity is a Roller Derby Performer...? Athlete?
Rene: She's a
Combatant?.. I don't know.
Alex: Yeah, an
enforcer.
Andy: She also does
all of the social media for those awesome derby games. They have this huge
league here in Boston and it's like-
Leo: Here's a time
lapse of her washing dishes. I totally adore her, I think she's one of the most
talented people.
Andy: I hope that some
smart publication snaps her up because-
Leo: Somebody already
did I think. Rene?
Rene: Yeah, she also
does a lot of film stuff so...
Leo: That's right,
she's got a film background, went to film school. So yeah neat.
Alex: Something else I
wanted to point out here is that- Well this is 60x so it's not as good...
Leo: Yeah, I say
hyper lapse if you're going to do time lapse.
Rene: Hyper lapse, I
believe they're using the gyroscope to stabilize it while you're capturing it
and I'm not sure what Apple does but Microsoft was doing it post capture like
final cut wood you see the difference.
Leo: Right. By the
way, when hyper lapse first came out- Although it was very successful when it
first came out. -I just read an article that said the downloads have slowed.
Alex: That's because
everyone got it.
Andy: We all have it.
Leo: If you don't
have it get it. Let's take a break and when we come back you're picks of the
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Alex: So we're going
back to paper, from many many years ago.
Leo: Paper, I've
heard of that.
Alex: So here's the
deal. I'm still working through them but I've tried almost every touch
sensitive-
Leo: Oh these pens?
Alex: Pens, yeah. What
I need is not so much to draw paintings, I'm needing to take notes. Oftentimes
I'm saying this is how big the building is going to be and anyways, this is a
couple of versions since the last time I tried it and I'm actually getting
pretty happy with it. If you put this over here... This iPad. The cool thing is, I can say on
this piece of paper-
Leo: You're writing
with your iScribe pen on an actual notebook, it's the special iScribe notebook
paper that you have.
Alex: Yeah.
Leo: But wait, I'm
holding the iPad, you're drawing on a piece of paper there.
Alex: Yes, and it
should...
Leo: What?! So I am
able to draw on this paper with this pen but you see, I don't like things being
stuck in paper, because to me that is a data hole.
Leo: Right.
Alex: So I don't want
anyone in my company writing on paper because I'll never see it again so the
idea is that so now you can write something on paper and be able to email that
to somebody or having it on your iPad and being able to grab it and it works
almost all of the time except for when your live on MacBreak.
Leo: LiveScribe, this
has gotten a lot better since I saw it last. Let me show people the pen.
Because it looks like a slightly fatter fountain pen.
Alex: Yeah, and it
comes with this little notebook.
Leo: You do have to
use their paper because it's invisible magic stuff on the paper. So then you
can record by tapping here?
Alex: What you do
there is talk and you can record your voice and send it through email too.
Leo: Can you still do
this? Before I remember being able to draw a keyboard and use it.
Alex: I don't know,
I've never tried that, it's quite possible.
Leo: And the reason
you use this special paper is not merely for tracking but there's all these
little special things that you can do.
Alex: Right, oh and
there's your keyboard. There are a lot of interesting things you can do with it
and again, if you're looking for something that gives you that sort of paper
feel but get it digitally.
Leo: It looks kind of
classy.
Alex: I'd rather show
up to a meeting with a client with that for notes if I'm not going to be
typing. Most of the reason, I'll type almost everything but most of the reason
I would use this is that I'm sometimes taking notes about locations, that's
what I do.
Leo: So LiveScribe,
how much?
Alex: I think it's like
$200 or $300. It's expensive.
Leo: The paper is not
super expensive but you do have to use their paper. Cool, Mr. Rene Ritchie?
Rene: I have two picks
this week. One, I was actually going to go with the app that Andy went with but
he was faster than me this week and so I adapted quickly. One is Screens for
Adobe which you might be familiar with. They updated for the new iPhones but I
was primarily using Screens on the iPad Mini and the iPad because it's just
nicer to have a bigger screen if you're going to look at your Mac. So I should
back up, Screens is a VNC program by Edovia and it lets you connect to your Mac
or your Windows PC- I think Linux as well. -Just using your iOS device and
there's a Mac Client as well if you want to do that. But I like it because if
anything ever goes critically wrong even if I'm away from home, even if I'm on
LTE I can still get back and do what I need to do on my Computer. But on the iPhone
6+, like I'm finding with so many apps, it's like a tiny tablet when it's in
landscape mode and this is my Mac Pro that I'm doing the podcast on right now
and at 5.5" it is incredibly useable even on a phone. He's done some
updates for iOS 8, like there's Touch ID and stuff like that but just the app
itself, just the base functionality is so much more useful at tiny tablet
scale, that I'm not even bothering to reach for my iPad Mini anymore or my iPad
Air, I'm just using my phone. It's a lazy thing to do but it's convenient and I
like it.
Andy: You're
absolutely right, You put it on the iPhone 6+ and it's like, oh I could
actually in a pinch work this way. If I was packing for a trip and Iknew that
I'd only need my Mac Book for about 30 minutes, I bet I could use this to
import this Word file from someone, make quick reads and edit them, put it back
on a Dropbox for somebody else and leave my Mac Book at home.
Rene: I've even used
it because I edit podcasts usually at home but I forgot once and hadn't put it
in Dropbox so I just quickly connected, put the file into Dropbox, synced it
and- Any situation where you don't have what you need, it is great. And that
reminded me that the developer behind Screeens does a conference in Montreal
every year and it's coming up this weekend it's called Singleton and theyhave
all of the videos from the previous
three years of Singleton- This is C4. -Available online for free so you can go
online and hear all of these different luminaries of the industry talking about
really interesting really specific subject matters. All of the videos are on
Vimeo and are about 50 minutes each. Apple had a great message for Developers
on how to charge for their apps. Really really smart people talking about
really smart stuff. It's all free online.
Leo: Edovia.com/screens.
Rene: Leo, you could
be sitting at your pool with your umbrella drink controlling your server farm.
It's the future.
Leo: Just what I
always wanted to do. Ladies and Gentlemen, from the future of internet
telecasting, Mr. Andy Ihnatko's hands.
Andy: I thank you and
cranecame 3,000, the future of video podcasting thanks you as well. The only
difficult is that I can't talk and be on camera at the same time but this is a
really great app, Panick software has made my favorite FTP app for the Mac and
now it's available for iOS 8, it's called Transmit that is an FTP program. If
you don't know what FTP means, the fact is if you have a computer anywhere in
your office or a file server or a NAS and you enable FTP on it, it means you
can put all of your file in one place and access it anywhere and with Transmit,
one of the biggest pains in the butt with anything that runs iOS is not solved
but a lot less painful. I've got a file in here and I want it there... My phone
is just connecting to my NAS or my central storage. I can play movies directly
from there or I can simply say I just want this movie downloaded to this device
so I can watch it when I'm back wherever. It really is a terrific solution. It
costs $10 but is commensurate with the amount of work that went into it. It's
very clean very pretty very full featured app and is worth every penny.
Leo: That is Andy
Ihnatko, he is from the Chicago Sun Times pretty much every week. Rene Ritchie
is also a good person to visit at imore.com. We also thank you Alex Lindsay for
taking time out of your busy schedule.
Alex: It's always my
pleasure.
Leo: We do MacBreak
Weekly every Tuesday 11 am Pacific 2 pm Eastern time, 1800 UTC on twit.tv
please stop by and say hi. You can watch us live here or come to the studio.
But you can also watch on demand audio and video after the fact at twit.tv/mbw
but also on all of the different podcast apps for all of the platforms. Thanks
for joining us, get back to work! Break time is over!
