All About Android Episode 568 Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howellit's a crazy show today. We've got Huyen Tue Daoon, on zoom. And then sitting next to me, we've got Ron Richards in the studio given thumbs up sometimes even we talk about so many things on this episode, we cover a lot of ground Android, 12.1 is out. What is that? Who's getting it. Pixel six feature drop. We kind of know who's getting that, but there's still a lot to talk about there. Samsung, throttles, its flagships and geek bench. Isn't happy about it. New phones on the horizon from awesome, nothing and HTC. And we bid a fond dish. I'd say farewell to assistant snapshot. Plus your email now and a whole lot more. Next on All About Android.

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This episode of All About Android is brought to you by it pro TV. It pro TV has everything you need to level up your it skills while you enjoy the journey, visit it. Pro.Tv/All About Android for an additional 30% off all consumer subscriptions for the lifetime of your active subscription. When you use code a a eight 30 at checkout. Hello, welcome to All About Android. This is episode 568 recorded on Tuesday, March 8th, 2022 Eureka source for latest news hardware and asked for the Android faithful. I'm Jason Howell. It's also your weekly. Sourceful latest people in real life sitting next to me like me. It's I'm Ron Richards and I'm here in the studio. Woo. And also sitting next to me, but dang it in digital form. Why, why

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:42):
Is me Huyen Tue Dao. And I don't get to be in the studio, but I'm still

Jason Howell (00:01:45):
Here. I, I wish I wish that you were like, there's, there's a space at the table for you someday. We'll figure that we'll coordinate that, but we, we gotta make it happen. I don't wanna make it all about me, but I am here in the studio. I happened to be on the west coast. It all worked out. We looked up before the show started. The last time I was here was December, 2018. So it has been 1921 to, I can do math or five years, three, three and a half years. Oh my goodness. Cause summer 2018, right? No, my kids are three. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, about three-ish and we also did the math and found out I was here like five days before my kids were born. So, which is so it's been three years. So it's been almost exactly a little, a little more than three years.

Jason Howell (00:02:23):
It's always interesting to me to, to look at moments like that. Yeah, because in that moment that you were sitting here, you had no idea none that your life was about to change in five days. None like five days later, everything would be different. And I was well rested. Yes. I I, I did things socially. No, no, no. It's been great social life. I will say, I will say of that. You know, I, I I was here visit. I was here for a wedding this past weekend. Yeah. And that's why I'm on the west coast. And I think I was maybe in California for about an hour before. I'm like, I miss my kids. So yeah. So I'm definitely looking forward to getting home, but, but it is so great to be here. It's so great to see Burke feel a great, see you.

Jason Howell (00:03:00):
Yeah. Great. See win like through a TV, like in a bigger screen, like that's pretty cool. So yeah. And I'm excited to be back like old times. So here we are. That's right, right. We gotta get adjusted to it. We were also talking before the show, like there's a certain comfort that actually comes through when you're hosting a show. Like on the other side of a, like I'm used to being in the studio and the last couple of years of course have been very different. So I've gotten very used to doing the shows on the screen side of things. And it's like, I only have one place to look like, everything I need is on the screen. And then when you get into the studio, it's almost like coming back to it. It's almost like overload. Yeah. Cuz there's just stuff everywhere. It's like what, what is distracting me now?

Jason Howell (00:03:40):
Well, part of it, I mean, literally this travel has been very overwhelming because it was just weird to be out in the world again and like to totally, to like, you know, to, to fly and be in the airport, then be in the city and like, especially cause I'm now in the suburbs and I never leave my house. So it's like, it it's definitely has been a trip all around. So yeah, but I'm excited. I'm excited. So it's very cool. Before we start things off, when I want, wanna ask you, because you had a pretty awesome experience recently and you have something coming up, do you wanna tell people a little bit about it and what they can expect to see from you?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:08):
Yeah. so I also got on, well, I I've been on flights since since all this happened, but two weeks ago I actually got on a international flight and went to London for, or two and a half days. Don't do that take time when you are traveling internationally. Yeah. But my husband and I hopped over to London for two and a half days because I got to co-host the Android show this quarter for the Android team. And if you're not familiar with it, the Android show is a pretty it's, it's a pretty, like, it's kind of like a Google IO. Hyperlight like ACE, I wanna say Splenda because it's quite it's. I mean, I find it quite fun, delicious enjoyable, but it it's like a super mini version of it's almost time for another, oh my gosh, that's my voice and voice.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:55):
It's basically kind of like sort of marketing, but also educational events, community events that Android does. Actually last year they had Carrie from miss bus Smith bus earth. They had Carrie for MythBuster earth hosting. My God they care for miss MythBusters hosting, but this year they had a GDE, me and a Googler, my dear friend Florea hosting. So I flew out to London to film some stuff interview with rich minor was a co-founder of Android and also nag of tablets. We got to kind of talk about some of the new stuff in Android 13 and yeah, and anyway, that's, there's some recorded bits. There's gonna be a live Q and a with the Android team and that's all happening tomorrow. 10:00 AM Pacific time if you're interested in Android development. And what's new in Android 13 on the dev side check it out on the Andrew developer's YouTube channel, but yeah that was my big thing. That's awesome. Awesome. Yeah, I, yes. 

Jason Howell (00:05:51):
And we were, I was just commenting, you did it with Flore who's been on the show. Yeah. Episode 4 43 with Nick butcher. Yeah. This was a couple years ago back in October, 2019. We had both of them on. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:02):
So yeah. That's our London crew. Were they here for

Jason Howell (00:06:04):
IO? It must have been well must. Well that, that was October. Was there another event or something? Ah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:09):
I mean that maybe it was 80 Andrew dev summit or eighties.

Jason Howell (00:06:12):
Yeah. Well we didn't have, yeah, we didn't have them in studio. They were both on on Skype at the time. So I don't know if they were actually, I can't remember if they were in town for anything in particular, but, but I had met Nick at IO a number of times and we had talked about making it happen and then, you know, he said, well, what about flu also? And so we got to talk to, yeah, I remember that show. That was great. Yeah. One of the things with no IO has been no make finding people to, to come on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe that'll change. Yeah. I don't know. What's the, what's the over, under, on IO actually happening in person this year? It's probably gonna happen. I don't know. I got invited to like parties at south by and I was like, what year is it? I was like, where are we? I was like, I'm not going to south by know. But yeah. So I guess stuff's happening. Maybe they bring back IO. That'd be nice. Maybe. Yeah. Well problem. That's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:59):
Cool. I, I would definitely come over, come over on that side of the country for that.

Jason Howell (00:07:02):
So I will say I drove by Muscoy west yesterday and I remembered standing at the window when you guys were at IO when I wasn't invited. Oh, opened this door. Yeah. Well, well we, we probably want have to wait that long before we start hearing about Google IO. Yeah. Well, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about something in the hardware block that might apply to that too, so, oh yeah. So we'll see. So there's a tease as they, there we go. So, all right. Shall we do it? Let's do it. Let's jump into news. Burke. Hit that button.

Burke (00:07:38):
I think we got send Ron back outside. I still hear the noise. Please leave the building and come back in.

Jason Howell (00:07:43):
Seriously. No, you're kidding.

Jason Howell (00:07:45):
Can you adjust? Is it your mic volume? Is it me? It's you? It might be me. Anyone who has not watched live would not know that that Berk and Ron every week it's it's it got back, cuz there was some sort of Phantom noise that I couldn't hear that you guys heard that was happening in my mic and all stuff like that. I literally brought my mic to give to Burke to you back. It's true. Honestly, Burke. I can say that's probably my favorite news bumper that you've done. That was pretty good. So there you go. Pretty good. Good job. Welcome. You won today. All right, right when you got the top story.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:20):
Yeah. Well I'm gonna be talking about Android 13 tomorrow for an the Android show, but on the All About Android show right now, I'm gonna be talking about 12 L except it's no longer 12 L or 12 L as we have said before, it is now officially Android 12.1. And it will be rolling out two pixel phones, but strange enough, not the pixel six. Yeah. And 

Jason Howell (00:08:43):
Yeah, which

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:43):
Is kinda a bummer. So I'm, I'm kind of bummed for two, for a couple reasons. Number one, no pixel six. And the fact that they're going calling 12 L, which is the kind of like intermediary version of Android that was meant for large screens to just now be a dot release. Mm. But that's what you get. And of course, you know, we've I think who's it. Let me see if we scroll. Actually, if you are interested in what's different in 12, 12 L now 12.1, we can't say 12 L anymore, 12, 12 95. Google did a really great hands on where they pretty much go through step by step or feature by feature all the new things in 12.1. And kind of, you know, like as is typical of a lot of the releases these days, it's been kind of a, what nine to five calls, a refinement release.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:27):
What some of us have like to call a dot release and fact is 12, 12.1 where it's kind of more just refining things, tweaking a few things. And a lot of it is like UI changes, usability changes. You know, your, your audio volume screen is a little bit wider, a little bit Comier I think there's a lot of emphasis. And of course around, you know, split screen things for tablets, like, you know, making sure that they kind of label things appropriately. Now the, with screens is now split top. For example, just to kind of give you, give users a little bit more clue on how these different, large screen oriented features work. There's a lot of, you know, enhanced HAPS kind of like the other kind of 12 features where it's all about kind of making, making a more modern interface, making things a little more intuitive, more, more quick, setting tiles, more ways of reaching information more quickly.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:20):
Like for example, now, if you look at the, I'm going all over the place, my bad, but if you, for example, look at your, at a glance where your clock and your weather are, you can now tap it and directly open to calendar, this kind of thing. So there's a lot of like little tweaks. It feels just like, you know, they did a lot of user testing, they got a lot of feedback and I just kind of make things a little bit easier, a little bit faster. And I mean, it's still strange though, because this is 12 L 12 O 12 L it was 12 L 12 for large screens, but there's not really any large transac right out right now that have it, have it on it. Like there, you know, usually as noted in the, let me see as noted by our Technica, a lot of times, you know, kind of like these big releases that are something like large screens come out with kind of a, you know coordinated release of a bunch of Google apps maybe, or at least kind of a rapid succession of, you know, this thing, oriented apps or app updates, but we're not gonna get that.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:12):
We're not gonna get that 12 hours out, but we don't really have any big tablets and big to

Jason Howell (00:11:18):
Show you. I could see just showcase it. So I could see a couple thoughts here first. I'm delighted to see the move to 12.1, because all the stuff you were explaining when sounded like that sounds like a point release. Yeah. And so like, I'm glad that they got, because the 12 L was just weird and whatever, and props the cousin of John in the chat room to saying no 12 L for the six L oh, which I like, but but not gonna laugh from job that good.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:43):
Very good.

Jason Howell (00:11:44):
But but you're right when, like we won't see the results of this on large screens until it starts rolling out. Right. And with everybody who's complained about for every surface duo or every tablet which, by the way, I have my, my Lenovo tablet in my bag. If you wanna see it, Jason, if you wanna play this. Oh, okay. But but like, it could be like, they might be coordinating with all the tablet manufacturers saying, okay, now you're ready to roll out 12. Yeah. Like it could have been like, let us get this out and then we'll see a wave. Yeah. That's OS updates. And we'll, we'll see, time will tell. I mean, like if I get a, if I get an update for my Lenovo tablet in the next month, or so it's gonna be 12 oh, right. Or 12.1. Right. And that will be, you know, better for the tablet. So you're right. Like, we're, we're not gonna reap the rewards of this at this moment cuz it's only on phones, but now keep an eye on every tablet manufacturer to see when they do the, the upgrade from 11. Right. If so, if, if slash win, I

Huyen Tue Dao (00:12:37):
Mean, if, and like, so I'm, I'm definitely like I have, I have two I'm a little bit, I feel not ambiguous ambivalent about this because I think part like, like, it just feels like part of like the lack of adoption of tablets has been like the compelling story, you know, like we keep talking about like the, the, the big experience is gonna drive people to tablets or the killer app or what have you. And kind of, I, I feel like even as devs, we're very conscious of like consumer perception of, of these devices. And so I, I, I kind of feel like the 12 L to 12.1 story is kind of muddying the waters a little bit, like again, and like, I feel like people respond to like big, like big splashes of news, right? So, Hey, here's your Samsung S fold book, fold Z foldable rollable.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:23):
And here's like a bunch of cool apps to, you know, go with them and to kind of make a good first impression for whatever this is, whatever this new era of large screen should be. And I, I feel like I, I, I worry that people are gonna see this and be like, well, was that no big deal? And then even when the tablets come around, it's, there's gonna be a little bit of a dent, impossible hype. That being said as a dev, I get it. And I, I think it's like, I'm complaining about the same thing. It I'm, it's like I'm gonna contradict myself. But I feel like with devs we've been so resist to support large screens, that there was no way that someone's gonna take a beta or a VA vaguely stable release and, you know, invest a lot of time and resources into large screen experiences. So I kind of get it from that point where, okay, look devs, it's stable, it's in production. You can get it on your phones minus you, pixel six, please do things with it. And then maybe the hope is is that if this is kind of low key, maybe around the holiday season, when Samsung comes out, some devs will have said, okay, it's production the APIs or whatever. Won't like, get pulled out from under us, like a rug, let's go ahead and encourage people to do it. 

Jason Howell (00:14:29):
I mean, that's, I don't know what surprises me to on that note. Like how, and I don't know. I mean, when you, you're probably closer to the, and I, I definitely know you are, but like why hasn't the Google developer program done some sort of outreach with key manufac key developers to make apps that are enhanced for 12.1 so that you have that big splash or maybe they do that, you know, like, you know what, I think, you know what I think the tablet, you know, I've said, this is the year of the tablet and what I think the shot in the arm that the tablet needs is that when Google does whatever the spring hardware rollout is, whatever it's like, and here is a new pixel tablet, or here's a new, you know, like we're, we made this OS for larger thing, we believe in it. And we worked with these developers who make these tablet enhanced apps, you know, like that whole kind of thing. But again, you gotta roll out this OS in order to do that. I also don't think they're doing any of that. So this is, yeah, I was gonna say, I wonder if that's actually going to happen. That would be great. It would be great fantasy land.

Jason Howell (00:15:26):
I don't know that I have a whole lot of hope that that's happening, but maybe it will. One thing that I noticed, I was kind of like looking through some of the features of this and everything. And one thing that caught my eye improved compatibility for apps that aren't optimized for larger screens, Google recognizing that, you know, a lot of developers just don't, don't put in the work, you know, to, to update it and whatever systems were there before to take phone app and just scale it up to tablet were insufficient. And I'm sure, you know, I think, I think proof positive that, you know, we've seen over the years in a number of different ways. But I'm curious to know what you think, when do you, do you trust, or do you believe that a version like this that can, that can take someone's app a developer's app where they haven't done optimization around tablets and like, do you think a release, like this could actually make that better like noticeably better?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:20):
I'm I mean, I, I think to some extent, but I really feel like the, the thing that will make large streams sing is, you know, gear is specifically designed. Yeah. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:16:31):
No

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:32):
Question experience. You're right. So, so for example I think I can talk about this you know, like for, for things like, you know, multitask, like I think the thing that they keep asking us and presenting to us are things that are only gonna be possible on a large screen, like multitasking and like split, like, I mean, like you can do split screen on the phone, but things that really make sense on a large screen with lots of real estate, our split screen, and like dragging and dropping between screens and things like that. Multitask.

Jason Howell (00:16:58):
Do you, do you like windows?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:59):
Yeah. Like windows

Jason Howell (00:17:00):
Like windows. Cool.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:17:02):
So yeah, like, so the dual, all the dual pain, like, I mean, like kind of one of, some of the features in 12.1 that are actually very, by the way, very well Nuer in nine to fives video, which you should look at for the breakdown, cuz I did a crappy job, but I almost said a bad word. I, I think, but, but, but the thing that really makes sense, like really will make large screening is a enhanced navigation is like dual pain and making sure that your app works for these things. And to some extent, some of those things might just, you might come out the ball, but a lot of this is going to take effort. Yeah. So I, I, I honestly, when you said that I'm like, oh really like kind of maybe, but I honestly feel like the thing that's going to really make an experience interesting on large screen is, is taking advantage of these new features, which you're not gonna get for free. And we have not, and we are not like, I, I per I I've told people this at work like, and I've told people like this, anyone who asked me like, no, our like for us, our large screen experience in a lot of places is not great. Is it gonna benefit from some of these things maybe, but we just don't use the space well, oh, from, and unfortunately we've decided that we, it's not a good ROI for us to do so, but maybe that'll change. I don't know.

Jason Howell (00:18:16):
Yeah. I mean, and, and when Jason, when you mentioned like adapting apps for large screen, immediately thought of the, when the iPad came out and you could put iOS apps and there was the two X button just made it bigger. Oh, totally, totally. Yeah. Like, and like, no one wants that. No one wants that at all. But, but, but as you were talking about that, I, I snicker to Jason cuz like what you were describing sounds a lot like ChromeOS and I, and I realized Jason, how, I mean, we gotta reset the sign. How many years has it been since we complained about why does ChromeOS exist and Android exist and why are they gonna merge the two? Right. Like I feel like we're in groundhogs day where we just like every two years we talk about the same topic, but yeah, that's a good point where like a lot of the stuff that ChromeOS has figured out with windowed apps and access and transferring information and like, like a desktop operating system. Oh yeah. You take a look at some of the shots, the screenshots and that accompany, this, this like official announcement. And you know, in some ways it really looks like Provos, you know, which I mean to a certain degree kind of makes sense. Right? It's all, Google, Google has a certain language. They have a certain ethos on how they design these things. So it makes sense. But, but again, it goes back to your point, like tho those lines continue to kind of, you know, merge and, and get really fun. So yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:28):
It it's really frustrating because we actually did support Chrome west for a bit. And it's, it's just kind of like this divide and conquer thing that Googled sometimes seem to do doesn't work out because it kind of waters like for, I mean, for us it waters down development efforts. Right. So we had one, we had a couple people working on the ChromeOS support and Chromeo west had a lot of bugs for us. Like it, it actually, we, I think the dragon drop some point, which is completely broken. And so we wasted, I mean, I'll, I'll say it, we kind of like spent dev time on it and we, you know, kind of publicized it. So in the, like in the process of saying, okay, we're not gonna support anymore. Then we had to retract functionality and 30 kind of burned us. Like, I, I, I will say a lot of people I know who took the time and like, did the advocacy you with their own companies for this stuff got burned.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:13):
Like both to just feeling like, Hey, I, I support this thing and it feels like you just kind of left it out to dry with all these bugs and everything. And so, and, and that, that doesn't go away and now like they're coming back and saying, Hey, please do large screens. And I, and again, I see this as someone who really enjoys large screens and wants to do a lot with it, but there's baggage and in any going away. And so I'm really leery about a lot of, I mean, like again, I mean, I'm gonna talk about large screens tomorrow on the thing that I did. So I, I'm not trying to sound like a hypocrite here, but there's like the idealistic side. There's like the good work that the team has done to make large screens. Interesting. But then there's a whole bunch of baggage and there's also just literally, can you convince people to get there? Like

Jason Howell (00:20:54):
How do you

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:54):
Into it,

Jason Howell (00:20:56):
Sadly that whole left out the dry feeling. Isn't uncommon from Google in the history of Android and doing things where like, we're gonna do this. It's really important until we say it's not right. And like, we decide it's not yeah. Tune for our app section. You'll find exactly an example of that. Oh God. But but, but, so it was interesting. So actually I'll give credit scooter X in the chat said that the pixel six will get 12.1 later in March. So there is some sense when it's coming in. But if you have a pixel six, don't worry, you're getting some cool stuff because they did time a feature op with 12.1. So there's much cool stuff coming to pixels. Live caption comes the voice calls which is a big deal for people who might be hard of hearing, which I'm such a fan of their live live caption technology. It's awesome. It's English only for right now. But with global availability. So hopefully more will, will be coming in soon. Live translate will now support Spanish, for example, a YouTube video from Spanish to English in real time. That's sweet. That's sweet. And you gotta assume the tensor chip is a part of that, right. To make that happen. Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:21:55):
Absolutely

Jason Howell (00:21:55):
Realtime translation is just crazy. It wouldn't be a, a pixel feature drop without a widget. Right. so the, the, the at a glance widget, without a widget that you're, are you using that? You're the ated glance. It gets new features. Wow. New features, including hold the phone battery levels for connected devices. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. I mean, when I, my, my earbuds, I wanna see what the battery is and that sort thing this is very specific to people geographically, but earthquake alerts. Sure. I get it California. We're here. Disabled alarm on a holiday quote, unquote, I, I, oh man. I've, I've fallen victim to that so many times recently on our Monday holidays. Yeah. And it's like, oh, you don't, the kids are awake. And showing the safety check countdown, which is handy and coming soon doorbell camera alerts bedtime notifications and workout. Right. Which there it is there'll be a connected devices, battery widget. So if you wanna widget to see your battery for your connected device, there it is. And here's the big one. And, and I think for every, all the, all the haters out there improved fingerprint sensor performance. So we'll see if it can, yeah. Be just reacted to that one. It

Huyen Tue Dao (00:23:06):
Is.

Jason Howell (00:23:07):
We'll see, we'll see if, if it can detect our fingerprint faster. And then finally the bug that intermittently cuts off wifi for some users is not fixed in this release, unfortunately. So, oh yeah. If you're hoping for that, you're gonna have to wait a little longer, but apparently a lot of bugs, right. A lot bugs, a lot of bugs getting fixed and you see the availability goes all the way back to the pixel three, a for for a lot of those features some of 'em are pixel specific though. The top ones, mainly the, the live captions and the and the translations, so good stuff. So pixel drop, no, I don't know why. I just feel, feel like between, between Android 12 L betas between Android 13 beta and pixel drops. I mean, every episode, there's like a new relief with, with a few new things.

Jason Howell (00:23:53):
It's a good time to be a pixel owner that yeah. Get the love. So except the six, I mean the six kind of is, and kind of isn't, it's like here's a little bit and oh, by the way, you don't get any of that. Tell me me about it. See, oh yeah. Berk's feeling it. This story blew up. Wow. Everybody was talking about Samsung versus geek bench. We'll call it a saga Android police, I would say they lived up to their name. Cause they did some investigative work. It really did. Oh yeah. There was a, so there was a list that was circulating on Twitter. I had to kinda like pour through this to like kind of put together the timeline and understand it. But to my understanding, there was a list that was circulating on Twitter that said, Hey, here's a huge list of games that are being throttled on the latest Samsung Galaxys devices.

Jason Howell (00:24:40):
The, the most recent ones. And then max winback for, from Android police started doing a bunch of testing and was able to kind of basically spoof the system to, with certain games to say, right, here's the game, the way the system sees it. And here's the game when we trick it, you know? Right. To not see it that way. And he found out in his testing that in, in a few cases here 45% single core performance, you know, so that's a, that's a pretty big drop 28% multi-core performance, essentially. What, what was being alleged here is that Samsung was throttling devices. Right. In order to run certain games. So it's specific to certain games, at least Samsung's saying is just games, but TikTok is one of them. So it's apps as well. Right. And you know, so everybody's looking at this going, okay, why are they throttling for these for these apps in these games GPU performance and one, you know, drops an estimated 54 to 58% so significant.

Jason Howell (00:25:47):
This drops in, in performance. Geez, you have to imagine Samsung was doing it for a reason. They probably, why would they extend battery safety, maybe whatever it is, they want their phones to look good. But in doing so, like, are you harming the performance of the actual app geek bench then announce that it's gonna, delist a number of San Samsung's phones as a result. They're saying we can't trust you Samsung. Wow. and you might remember we talked about this with a one plus nine and the nine pro cause that this happened with them as well, geek Glen geek bench booted them as well. Samsung is is defending it's game optimization service. Like I said, they claim that it only affects games. But you know, independent testing seemed to say otherwise that there were a lot of apps and I mean a number of them.

Jason Howell (00:26:38):
And yeah, so very curious, a cousin of Ja in chat asks, can we disable this optimization? It's great question. That's one of the, the kind of snags with this is that no, you can't currently, you can't. And up until this happened, you didn't even know it existed. And I think that's the, that's the crux of what's going on here. I can kind of understand ish if a device needs to make accommodations to, you know, for certain things, but at least inform the user and give the user the ability to opt out of it. If they choose

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:10):
Some transparency and choice

Jason Howell (00:27:11):
In order for your phone to work properly, you may see affected performance, like some sort of thing like that, right. Awareness that is happening because when this is, this is where I'm really curious how you feel about this, because this is decision that Samsung and OnePlus, you know, and the other example has, is making on behalf of all the developers of the apps that are out there to say, yeah, we know how your app runs better on our phone than you do. So therefore, we're gonna do this. We're not gonna tell anybody about it. The potential is there for someone on the playing side of that game, let's say to go this game, isn't running properly for me. Wow. This developer sucks. Like how do you feel about that?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:48):
I, I feel bad about it. I mean, so don't

Jason Howell (00:27:51):
Feel too bad. You're not, you know,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:54):
I mean, and they not make me personally, but so as far as I'm concerned, the performance of your app is a lot on you. You know what I mean? Like a lot of these things, a lot of things that it make an app run badly are things that are known that are good practices that are just like, for example, like, I don't know, even like when I play my favorite, like little mobile game protopia I love a Pia, but for some reason you eat my battery and I can only guess that it's something to do with some like networking that's happening in the background, some weird sinking. And as much as I love the game, I feel like it's the developer's responsibility to kind of take that feedback and do something with it and make their performance better. I, I think if the manufacturer is trying to lend you a hand by hamstringing the phone, it, it that's, that's not a solution.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:40):
That's not a solution. And so I wouldn't want it. I wouldn't want it as a U user or as a developer. Maybe some other devs do, but I don't. And I also believe in transparency for the users. Like, and again, like you said, if there is no transparency, if we don't know what's going on, if you just don't know what's going on, they're gonna blame us. And we're gonna look at ourselves and be like, I don't understand what's going on. And that's actually, you know, I mean, deving is hard. I mean, obviously like sometimes we make mistakes that we shouldn't, and sometimes we make mistakes that we don't realize and trying to track down performance issues is like a fulltime job. It's

Jason Howell (00:29:15):
A needle, it's a needle lending stack. Right. It could be one, it could be one reference or it could be one SubT that is throwing everything off. I mean, it's, I, I saw something on, on Twitter. I can't remember if it was in relation to this story or a D from one, something like 2000 smartphones released last year alone, like 2000 Android smartphones. Yeah. All those flavors. And that's what developers are facing as far as like optimizing their app. The just sounds that sounds really, I don't know difficult. I'm gonna say it, not gonna say it. But so my, my thought, my couple thoughts here, one is that I, I, when I absolutely agree with you, like, for me, it seems like the, the Samsung should like generate. These are the list of apps that we think need to be adjusted. Hey developer, this is what we found you should, you know, like do like some development outreach Jason, to your point, make the user aware of it and make it turn honorable turnable.

Jason Howell (00:30:03):
Yeah. but I would like, at this point, I think Samsung needs, oh, sorry, I kicked my mic. Samsung needs some sort of transparency into why they were doing it. You know, we hope it's for battery optimization or for processing, but Samsung puts a whole bunch of crap on that phone. Yeah. How do we know they're not doing it to make sure that they're Samsung doesn't work better? You know what I mean? I'm that? Yeah. Like, are they, are they, they don't wanna sacrifice CPU cycles for software. That's not theirs. Oh, that's what work is. About's an interesting

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:30):
It's and it's kind of BS because, I mean, so part of this does seem a little on top of the fact that I don't think, like, I don't think that's necessary for Samsung to basically like, you know gold is like show, like they're not even scolding us. So basically just kind of like, you know, pushing us to like, I don't know, like the safe side of the road, the, the thing is like with performance, there's plenty of markers and plenty of metrics. And if it's game oriented, then that's a little bit out of my space. So I, I don't know if the tools are different for gaming, but we have plenty of tools and like practice. And there's like third party companies, there's stuff in the and Android store that lets you understand your performance. So I, I, I just don't buy it that we're all so hopeless that Samsung feels the need to like, you know, take our toys away. Yep. And take our processing power away, cuz it that's not, this is not like 2012, 2011. This is 20, 20, 22 people underst and people appreciate like developers appreciate how this works. I, I don't, I don't buy it. I'm sorry. Yeah. I don't mean to be being it's all sketchy yet. Again,

Jason Howell (00:31:30):
It's all sketchy. It's all sketchy. Yep. It's awesome. Maybe Samsung thinks that if these games are too awesome and their battery might light it on fire. Well, and, but what's also interesting that they, they said this is for games only, but like you said, TikTok is one of 'em. So they category rising TikTok as a game. I don't know which I mean, I mean, entertainment, I could see it falling in categories are weird and things like that. But like also TikTok probably is like one of the most highly used apps on, on all the devices. Right. So yeah. Yeah. This whole thing, sketchy, sketchy, interesting sketchy, Samsung sketch. We see you, we see right through sketchy Samsung. I think it's a very interesting that geek bench, which is a pretty, you know, well known, reputable. Yeah, reputable. What is the word that I'm looking for of platform, but benchmarking. Thank you. That's the word I was looking for? Benchmarking, you know, service ban Samsung, one of the biggest, biggest, and honestly good for them, for holding, holding their own and to be a fly in the wall at Samsung HQ. Like whoever got the, whoever saw the note and is like, we've been banned, like, and they imagine them all running into a conference room and figuring out strategy. Oh no, Don keep bad. I know. Oh no. But clearly it's enough that they, they issued a statement. I mean like people are upset. Yeah. People

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:42):
I, I had like the Vegas, like what was it? Was it, this is just me wildly speculating. And just talking like, this may totally unfair, but it kind of reminded me of that whole thing. Was it Volkswagen where they were like trying to cheat like admissions tests. Totally.

Jason Howell (00:32:56):
I think that's a fair comparison.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:58):
Yeah. And they, they tweaked it so that when the test is running they're they behave. Yeah. Yeah. The test is off. They do whatever they want. So it almost feels like they want their devices to test well and be performant. Yes. But they also wanna have good battery life and like, like reduction in heat and all that stuff too. So they're having it both ways they hack

Jason Howell (00:33:17):
They're hacking the system. That's what it, I think that's a fair co comparison. Cool. Not the first time we've heard about it in the Android space sketch with Samsung, you know, Samsung, you just got labeled sketchy by All About Android. Let's see. Issue a statement about that. Yeah. Stamp sketchy. I want full stamp. Yeah. I want, yeah. I want the stencil, the red sketchy. We have that. Is that the budget? Yeah. Yeah. Whip that together real quick. I'll work on that catchy. All right. Like, yeah. Let's take a break. Right. Let's take a breather, you know, calm down a little bit phase the sketch out. Yeah. Just push the sketch away. And we're gonna talk about some hardware here in a few minutes, but first wanna thank the sponsor, this episode of all, about Android and that is it pro TV. I, they are awesome.

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Jason Howell (00:37:30):
Oh, it's good to be back in person. I miss Jason and Burke. It's so good to be here. I also, so a couple like couple little behind the scenes things, Jason does such amazing job. And again, I will praise at the Al of Jason, his amazing job of setting up the show for us, you know, doing the rundown, picking the shows we're gonna do. And he also gives us little notes that are a little kind of stuff like that. And what I like is that in, for this one, he included a segue as if we were talking about it already, but we're not cuz it says speaking of MWC. Oh, but it's like, we have, I was like, I'm sorry. So like the order was obviously different. Sure. Yeah. But it just like, like I did not pull a Ron burgundy where I was just like, speaking of MWC as if we weren't, but Hey, thank you for letting everyone know.

Jason Howell (00:38:12):
There you go. But Hey, do you wanna talk about mobile world Congress? Hey, speaking, speaking, OFC. There we go. Also a little behind the scenes, All About Android secret. One of Jason's favorite hardware manufacturers is the company awesome because they oh yeah. They spell it a way that you like to you like to say. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. They're so awesome. O S O M which is could be considered the Phoenix rising from the ashes of essential, but isn't that nothing, I don't know who, who, there are multiple phoenixes rising from the who, who bought all the

Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:46):
Of essential

Jason Howell (00:38:47):
Didn't did nothing get them?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:49):
Nothing bought the essential branding. Right? I think like the

Jason Howell (00:38:52):
Trademark, something like that. Yeah. But so, yeah, and, but awesome. Got awesome. Got a hold a piece of it as well. But awesome was what you no, no, no, yes. That you're you're right. When nothing owns the essential brand, but awesome. Is like the tech is, is like the team, the team that didn't the exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Why would you, you wanna own the essential brand? Like what is the value of that? I don't know. What did they pay for that? Do we know what they pay for it? Do you find that out? Can you find that out? Maybe I like, I'm speaking to people who are not here by the way, just so you know. I like, like it's a bigger operation seeing an, an amount just that, that they bought it. Yeah. It's crazy. A team designer right now. Yeah. Can we get, can we get Jean on it? Great. Excellent. Great. Thank,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:35):
Well, I, I think they bought it because in the vibe of nothing I guess I'm kind of leaking into the next story a little bit, but in the vibe of nothing kind of like stripped down essential things. So they, I think they bought it in anticipation of being able to use that, but, you know, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:39:51):
Yeah. Well, and also I, in the chat says it's all about patents, which is probably what it is too,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:55):
That could BT

Jason Howell (00:39:57):
IP. So many of the talented people that worked at essential that aren't horrible people got together and formed. Awesome. And and they were supposed to show off the phone in Barcelona at mobile war Congress, it's called the O one. They're they were originally planning to release it in Q3 2020. But now they're aiming for Q4 2022 because a quote unquote major chip maker asked them to postpone so they can use the latest chip in the device. That was quote unquote major chip maker. Yeah. Awesome. We'll be working with the qual with, with Qualcomm, but didn't reveal the chip that they're way waiting for which leads us to speculate, perhaps it's the fun all up to the snap eight gen one must be because, you know, they're, they're kind of saw us have to be targeting. This is like a, a premium smartphone. So I imagine they did. And for video Watchers, be's gonna throw it back up on the screen. Again, they did reveal the box. We'll have a USBC cable with a switch to turn it from charging and only to data cable never heard of that before. That's fascinating. It is

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:02):
Fascinating.

Jason Howell (00:41:03):
They also claim that the phone will be all about privacy, which is the whole thing's about privacy. It's it's the focus. Yeah. But if we can choice for a video of viewers Burke, if we pull back up the, the shot of the phone you'll notice the phone has that's the cable. Burke is so good at this. The, the O the O V one will have a stainless steel frame, which is pretty cool. Gorilla, gorilla, glass, Invictus, front, and ceramic back. It's gonna be available in white, black, and a third quote, unquote fun color which that's gonna a wacky, a wacky color. I have, I have a note about that. I'll say in a second they'll have dual rear cameras with 48 megapixel and 12 megapixel and a 16 megapixel front camera UWB support and it's gonna be available for well under and dollars.

Jason Howell (00:41:53):
And now the release date is TBD. So we're gonna have to wait a little longer to see the O one. But I like the fact that it will be a third phone color, unrelated to phones, but I recently ordered suicidal tendencies the record with institutionalized, you know, that band. Right. And I ordered the VI that I'm vinyl, which I'm a, I'm a fan of band, but like my favorite thing think it's actually the album SOS out in, is it? Yeah, it's their first record. Right. But what got me was that it was available on mystery color vinyl. And I was like, well, I need to know what color it is if it's a mystery. So I just, I bought it. So it hasn't shipped yet. I'll find out. I'm really curious now. I mean, with my luck, the mystery color will be black and it'll just be like a regular record, but I'm hoping it's like a SW or something like that.

Jason Howell (00:42:34):
You just never know. Yeah. I think there should be more like, I, I mean, there's a lot of activity in like the collectible space about like blind boxes and blind bags and you buy, you know, you're gonna buy, but you don't know what color it is. Right. I would sign up for a phone where I don't know what color it's gonna be. Oh. Like, if you told me that there was like eight variations, you gotta live with that thing for you. I'm cool that I'm cool with it. I bet you people would do it. And then if you do like different quantities and like the, the red splaters like limited and like, like that, then it becomes a collectible. Totally. To totally. Yeah. This is a great idea. Awesome. If you're listening, so there you go. That's not necessarily what awesome is doing. No, no, I, that's a great idea for awesome to do credit, Ron. Yeah. It's credit Ron. I mean, listen, how many years have we given Samsung marketing ideas? I, I know Samsung is sketchy. I'm all that awesome now, so, okay. You're on the awesome team. I'm on the awesome team. I, okay. Let's talk about mold, war Congress. I I'm, I'm curious. I'm curious to see that phone. I mean, we, we saw a little bit of a photo of it, but I would love to see it in person. Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:31):
We talk about nothing next. Do you wanna talk about nothing? Let's talk

Jason Howell (00:43:32):
About nothing. Sure. Let's do it. This whole thing to show nothing.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:36):
It's a, it's a good show. I mean, we can talk about nothing. Nothing's very interesting. So also at NWC, at least allegedly, according to a tech crunch source, nothing, which is the company that was founded in 2020 by former one, plus co-founder Carl pay. So according to a source at NWC, Carl pay was sh Carl pay was shown, showing off what could be possibly the smartphone that nothing is working on. And that might be announced. Let me see, what did it say announced possibly next year? And actually this just got put in, I think the verge according to leaker Evan, bla which came something came up on Twitter today where a photo of someone who looks like Carl pay, showing off a phone to a bunch of gentlemen at what looks like possibly a tech smart, phony type conference with like the lighting and that, that showed up also on Twitter day. So it sounds like the rumor is that nothing will be, or is in the process of creating their own smartphone. And that it'll be announced soon. What, what, oh

Jason Howell (00:44:38):
My God. I think, I think sometime

Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:40):
Announcing it next month. Yeah, yeah. Announcing it next month, according to the source and kind of some more rumors about it is that the smartphone that nothing is making will kind of be in the spirit of nothing's kind of philosophy of nothing of, but I think basically Carl pay feels that there's a lot of glut feature glut in technology right now. And so the idea of nothing is to strip things back down, not quite to nothing, but kind of in that vein and the source notes that you'll probably see elements of the design of their of the company's product the year one buds kind of in the design of the smartphone like that transparent's

Jason Howell (00:45:22):
Quality, which we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, cuz it was kind of, there was, there was a story in Andrew central that was kind of talking a little bit about it, but I don't know that it was really based on a particular leak. It was more like we think it's gonna happen. Here's a few reasons why now we've got a couple of things to, to kind of point to you in Burke. If you go into the dock underneath the Carl pay, nothing link that you did show are a is, is a link to the verge article that shows kind of like the closeup, which is also like borderline paparazzi, sketchy weirdness going on here. Like I'm I mean like it's it that's this is, this is borderline invasion of privacy.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:00):
It's it's it's a little, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:46:02):
Yeah. I mean it's because where were they? I mean, obviously this was an M WC booth, but yeah. Were they in an area where they could assume that they were right? Yeah. And, and just to be clear, that's the wrong link Burke. That must be oh yeah. Above the tech crunch. Article link is a verge is a verge link below it, in the dock, in the, in the dock. Yeah. And to clarify, we were showing the tech crunch article that had a picture of Carl pay at an event holding a phone that is not the phone we were talking about. That's just the, that was just the photo of Carpe. Yeah. But Berk's gotta figure it out and we're gonna look at the invasion or privacy photo here. Like this is sketchy. This is weird. Someone, someone totally had that phone with their hip. Right. Like, yeah. I don't know. Totally. It is. It really is. And who knows what he's holding there? Who knows what he's showing them? Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:56):
I mean it kinda looks like, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:46:57):
Looks big. Whatever that is. Looks kind. Maybe it's a tablet. Ooh. Yeah. Ooh. You heard it here first. Nothing's doing a tablet.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:05):
Nothing, no tablets.

Jason Howell (00:47:07):
Based on nothing based on

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:09):
Nothing based on nothing, But yeah, like reportedly Carl pay was meeting with like Carl Qualcomm CEOs and just other executives at MWC showing off for prototype. So I guess we'll know for sure whether next month, whether this was, this was an invasion of privacy. What is actually is an invasion of privacy either way, whether their phone comes out or not. Right. But yeah, I guess we'll see what, whether nothing has something,

Jason Howell (00:47:34):
Does nothing, nothing got something. Yep. Man never gets old. Never does it really it's, it's a gift that keeps on giving. I will also be interested in the nothing phone, like awesome. And nothing. I will, I will, you know, considering, you know, price point and may, you know, maybe they want us to look at it. Maybe not, who knows. We'll see. But like, like these are phones that I'm excited about. Yeah. Will you be excited about HTC coming back to the high? I mean, we did love HTC was a very popular manufacturer on this show. We spent many years. Oh boy. Touting HTC, right? Yeah. They, they were, they could do no wrong there for a while and then they, it wrong. Right. And then we haven't really heard very much about them. Now the news is that HTC is going to announce a high end smartphone.

Jason Howell (00:48:18):
Next month. This also comes courtesy. Was this tech crunch? No, actually, sorry. No, this was not via tech crunch, but they are expected to announce a high end smartphone next month. So that means nothing and HT, both making announcements of some interesting hardware. This is gonna be a little different though. It's just the thing is that you had me at HT and then this is gonna lose me. And then, and then there's the metaverse, which is basically this device will be designed with the metaverse in mind design for AR and VR applications. I mean, it should be noted that, you know, HTC in the VR world has the vibe and the vibe brand, the Viv, whatever you wanna call it. And so it's not outside of the realm of believability that, that HTC would want to kind of focus on aspects around that actually in the here and now when metaverse as a terminology, as much as they have grown to hate it. Yeah. It's very kind of now like every beaming onto that mean there's only one thing worse. There would be only one thing worse. Do you wanna guess what the one thing worse would be crypto? Yes. If there was some sort of crypto angle to it. So thank God. There's not, that is not my oh God don't stall. No,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:33):
Wait, no, no. Let's not pull that bingo card.

Jason Howell (00:49:35):
No, no, no, because it's interesting that you mentioned that because the last time HTC did this was back in 2018 and it was the HTC Exodus, and it was a blockchain optimized phone that focused on cryptocurrency. I don't know. I don't even remember these a, the trombone. Hey Brad, can we from the San trombone?

Jason Howell (00:49:59):
Thank you, Phil. They have the best production unit here in TWI. Let me tell you, so it took five guys to play the, the SA trombone one be to play the applause. But yeah, I mean, I get it that it's a buzzword and like, people are interested in all this, like, and like, and, and Facebook is, is attempting to will this into reality. But, oh boy. Oh boy. Is there, is there a term that, that isn't even real? I mean, it's not real period, but it's not even real, like yet that we aren't already sick of, then that verse. Right. Like, and like what's awful. Is that like, and I know it's like, and everybody knows like, but I, you know, how many years have I been working in comics? And like, we've had the, metaverse like in science fiction in the comic book for years. So like I'm well passed it and it just like, oh Jack, leave us alone, please. Now it's for everyone else. Yeah. That's the worst.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:50):
Well and also the HCC mentioned that they're going to announce the VI averse, Viv averse verse Goodness, VI verse, which is its its open source. Metaverse geez. Louis verse I'm I'm not gonna say that correctly. I'm reverse. Oh, reverse. There you go. We'll do that.

Jason Howell (00:51:11):
There you go. Reverse the they, they had released the vibe flow recently, which was kind of like a stripped down VR system. Yeah. And it uses a phone as the controller. So maybe this phone will be like designed to work with the vibe flow that I don't know. Is it still using the vibe? Like I haven't, I've literally have not heard the two vibe like for VR in, in years. I mean it's still around. Yeah. There's still, that's the one that's PC based, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:45):
We have one in our basement.

Jason Howell (00:51:46):
Is it the better one you Sayer? Yeah. Yeah. What do you think, Stephanie? Yeah, she agrees. Okay. she's a PA so yeah, yeah, yeah. But this place is just buzzing with, with people activity. Now that the mandate's gone, it just they're coughing on each other over there. I don't know what's going on. There's lots of make believe. People think Ron ate something before the show he's run in San Francisco energy to the show. Yeah. I just like the idea of more people that time. No, but but yeah, no, I have ever since vibe came out and it was VI Oculus, VI Oculus, and then he just stopped hearing about vibe. And I still hear about Oculus because Facebook yeah, yeah. Dominates. And honestly H H has not I'm mean things have not been good. Been good in HCC land, right? Yeah. Well, I mean their VR, what was kind of the thing that was good was like a key selling point. It, it was kind of the thing that was working for them. How much does it cost? So I, I wouldn't be surpris. Like I guess I could understand why they would do a phone that's focused on this. If that's the thing that works in their, so the HCC five pro two on dell.com, the headset is $799. Yeah. It's a, it's a premium headset. Well, when you're, you're saying that you have one is, is the, the vibe, which the vibe, I have

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:01):
No idea. Yeah, we do. It's my husband's fault.

Jason Howell (00:53:04):
Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:05):
So I have no idea. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:53:07):
It's it's there. So it exists, Ron. It is the thing people have. 

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:13):
I think we, he did like it more though. I think he did like it more. I do have an Oculus actually, because like at our company we've been trying to, during this whole phase, they've been trying to deal with the, with how we have in person at how a remote company does the getting together, you know, once a year. So people can be people and socialize and get to know their teammates, but not do that. Yeah. And so we actually have been using Oly Oculuses oculi to do virtual meet. Cool. So yeah, so we have too many VR headsets or VR anythings in our house.

Jason Howell (00:53:50):
So on vibe.com the vibe pro two full kit will cost you $1,399. Yeah. 1400. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. It was best voted the best VR headset though at the 2021 games. Radar hardware. Yeah. I mean, and the innovation that innovation still doing well in the VR department. Yeah. They're doing, they're doing well. So to that end, then a smartphone where they play to their strengths makes sense. I guess it makes sense. Yeah. But I just, I don't know. I don't know if there's the, the kind of crossover there will exist in the way that maybe HTC look at this. So if you go here Burke, I'll put it in the, in the doc. Ron's on a, on a vibe hole right now. I'm, I'm on a vibe hole because on vibe.com, there's a click, there's a click, the click, there's a link to the VI verse and I clicked on it and it says, VI verse open metaverse.

Jason Howell (00:54:43):
So it just like, and just, just a matter look at this. So vis is a metaverse ecosystem that connects people from all walks of life, to an open and accessible virtual world through this new form of living. Everyone is empowered to explore. I'll I'll take anything that is Facebook, please. Don't interrupt. Everyone is, this is very motivational text. Everyone is empowered to explore, work and play in a safe environment. Each experience is unique and your transactions and data are secure. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's crazy. They're really leaning into this and, and be your point about anything about Facebook. So absolutely. Really, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:22):
It, the, oh, is metaphor just a word for this now because the metaverse yeah. So, oh God really?

Jason Howell (00:55:30):
Yep. Yeah, no, the, the, the, the concept of the metaverse is not Facebook. Facebook is meta and they're gonna, they're gonna build the Facebook. Metaverse they've ruined it, but like this idea of the metaverse that they're, you know, vibe is offering an open metaverse like, there's gonna be competing. Metaverses like, honestly, it's like it's I was saying earlier tonight had like it's ground hugs day. Like we were talking about car, stuff like that. This is second life all over again. All of a sudden it's 2004.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:53):
Yes. I keep saying it to people.

Jason Howell (00:55:54):
Yes. It's just, it's like, second life is where we're gonna meet and we're gonna, like, we're gonna, you're gonna go on virtual dates and you're gonna play games and like, and it's all the same. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Is it gonna be the HTC meta maybe, or the HTC verse? No. It's VI VI that HT. That's what they're calling it. No, no, no. I'm thinking the smartphone. I think they'll call the smartphone. The VI, the VI. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. I mean, they're smart. They, they bribe it. They brand it vibe with vibe some. Yeah. No, that makes sense. That makes sense. So I'll be curious to see, oh, jeez. Right. Right. Well, moving on, exhausted.

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Jason Howell (00:57:09):
Moving off of mobile world. Congress say all names exhausted. Here's some rumors coming outta Google camp that, that kind of upset me. First up the pixel six, a and pixel watch appeared in CA inventory system last week, indicating they could be near a release, which is great because I want, I wanna get my sister the six, a and, and end of may was the latest expected date. However, John Prosser now says they might be delayed after all. Wow. Wow. Sadro Brad. Google, maybe once again, delaying the pixel a release on the pixel to late July due to the chip shortage. Wow. And the pixel watch could still be launched in may as originally planned, but could also be delayed also due to the chip storage. Wow. Wow. And additionally, this inventory system shows the pixel watch to have a 32 gigabyte onboard storage. Wow. Which is a, a massive amount of storage for smart watch that's so yeah, like usually smart watches have a, a poultry amount of storage. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you need 32 gigs? Like that's actually a ton. I mean, that increases your streaming buffer that like, I suppose there's a whole bunch of stuff that could happen there. You could take,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:20):
Take sketchy photos at NWC of people, you know, showing off prototypes

Jason Howell (00:58:24):
And stuff. Prototype. Yeah. That's a fair point. Okay. So I guess, you know, there's, we'll, we'll still have to wait no matter what, no matter what we're waiting it's to start, we're waiting longer or shorter don't know, but anyways, we'll look forward to that. All right. We have some app news coming up in just a second, but before that, I just wanna tell you you're awesome. All right. It's at news time,

Jason Howell (00:58:54):
Speaking of apps, I think Jason should develop a like motivational, like like a, like a, you know, like you, you pop your headphones in and Jason tells you you're awesome app. I would, I would to like, I think you'd awesome. Like you, yeah. No, but not just for awesome, but like you it's very, I felt like I was awesome when you did that. So that was good. Yeah. Yeah. Good. If I, if I've helped one person in this world feel awesome, then I've done my part did. Okay. Oh boy. I knew this was coming. Here we go. Wow. Wow. Youtube music. Yes. We haven't talked about it in a while. We've actually kind of taken a breather. You know, I've just kind of gotten used to the things that YouTube music does that I don't really care for. It's doesn streaming app.

Jason Howell (00:59:34):
It doesn't do or whatever. Always kind of holding out hope that it's gonna get a little bit closer to GooglePlay music and certain things that I really, you know, miss and this new feature when I saw the headline for it. And even when I read the articles about it, I was like, oh, wait, this is what we wanted. This is one of the things we really wanted. Yeah. So the feature to my understanding is basically if you are on an artist page, it has a new section that from your library. Yep. And the way that I was reading this made me feel like what that is is oh, and by the way, you've uploaded a certain amount of music here. That's in your library and you're on the, you know, the, the I don't know, Radiohead page or whatever down the bottom it says from your library.

Jason Howell (01:00:19):
So any of the Radiohead albums that you floated are down there. Yeah. But that's not what comes up for me. Interesting. And, and so I don't know if I'm misunderstanding it or what, but you know, when you go into YouTube music and you go to an album, a new album comes out and you tap that plus button, you say, add to my library. Right. Right. And that's adding the cloud version of that album to your, so that it appears there that's all, this does. That's all this shows is just those albums by that artist that you've clicked add to my library. It doesn't show any of your uploads. So, so they didn't fix it. They didn't. So they didn't fix it. Even though, like, I swear, I read a couple of articles. They're like, yay. We can rejoice. One of those features is back, but it's not.

Jason Howell (01:01:01):
Cause they read the headline cause read the headline. I didn't, the headline makes it seem like it is. But so anyways, I just wonder if anyone use it that, that develops YouTube music actually uses it because I don't think so. And I leak how and, and like, I, I, I doubt that they would, but I would love, I forgot his name, but the gentleman we had from Google, who, the project manager who, who worked on it, I'd love to have him back on the show, answer for some of this, or at least to talk it through because I'm like, I wonder if this has gotten so big that they have gotten and by, by, I mean, by so big, like trying to make this app do so many things for so many masters and like dealing with the music providers and all this sort of stuff, as well as the YouTube influence and, and that sort of thing, to your point, they're forgetting the people who just wanna listen to music.

Jason Howell (01:01:44):
Right. And like, why, like for, for me, why isn't there a match? Like I uploaded all that stuff to Google play music. Why isn't there like press a button and we'll match it to what's in the thing. And now that's in your library, like an import, you know? Yeah. There's so many things they could have done. It's just frustrating. So it is frustrating. I know. You're trying to find his name. Dave, was it Dave from Google? Yeah. I can't remember music. I dunno. There's so many names. Google page, Dave Burke. Oh, oh yep. Well, no, we, yeah. So we've had Dave Burke on many times, but he's not from Google, Google music. No, he is not Google's Dave Burke. Right, right. He's he's just on the Android team. He's just on the Android team. Okay. Well, yeah. We've had him on a number of times. I'm trying to remember the name of the guy though, from YouTube music and I, yeah. Yeah. I remember we had the, the pro the product manager on yes, we did, but I'm sorry. Apologies to you if you happen to be listening per person from Google anyways I'm gonna find it. Okay. You keep searching. I'm bummed. Do you use YouTube music? Is that, is that your music app of choice? When or do you use Spotify or what do you use? It

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:52):
Is, it is my music app. It is not by choice.

Jason Howell (01:02:55):
Well, yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Fair. 

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:57):
Yeah, no, I do use it. It, I,

Jason Howell (01:02:59):
Brandon Belinsky there you go. Brandon, Brandon. And he was a very, he was a nice guy. Like Brandon. He was a great interview. We had a lot of people on the show we had, it was me. You flow and Juan. Yeah. On the show and then Brandon and then Brandon. Yeah. Yeah. So sorry, continuing.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:16):
Oh, no, I'm just saying I, I use it cuz I have to, but I, I do agree with you. It, it, I think I just hold, keep holding out. Hope that it's gonna one day turn to Google play music and yeah,

Jason Howell (01:03:26):
Me too. We all do. And it's not gonna happen. Gonna happen. It's the same hope that I hold out for Google to, to replicate some of inbox's features, like they said they were going to. Yeah. Did they, I mean, I mean, everyone in the chat was talking about saying, I you uncle of saying, I still wish they'd list my stuff first. And the thumbnails are way too big. Yeah, exactly. Like I think we all have nitpicks and qualms of why YouTube music, isn't getting the job done for us on a regular basis. And now, like what has happened is I've learned how to work around it. Yeah. I totally. Which is like sucks, but I mean, yeah, yeah. I use it. I just, I wish it integrated my library better if it did that, I'd say 90% of my, my complaints would be or prioritize my library and not be or prioritize because, because let's be honest though.

Jason Howell (01:04:08):
I, I, what I would, I'm very curious about the behind the scenes monetization, because is there, are they not validating when I upload, you know sweet chain by the velvet underground from my library, right. From my CD of, of reloaded. Right. Do they know that that is CJA by velvet undergrad so they can properly monetize right on the back end? Or does that only happen with the stuff that's in their system? Right. Like, like, honestly, that, that's probably the big, when I talked about like, they're, they're serving multiple masters, that's a big master. We don't get to hear from because it's business deal and it's, you know, retribution, not retribution, but you know, like, you know, they don't people exactly about that. Yeah. Crazy. Not in their business, nuts business, mine to do that. Yep. All right, Ron, you got the next one.

Jason Howell (01:04:54):
I do got the next one. You got all riled off talking about YouTube music. But it's not I and Burke, I always gonna do a fake name. We might wanna get taps up for this one, but it is time to say goodbye to assistant snapshot. Oh, no. Sorry. No, I mean a new Google. They used you, but oh, no. I, that, that's a good, that's a drum roll. Cool. It's the closest thing. I'm sorry. A new goodbye announcement appears inside the feature. There's no date set yet for the end, end of life for assistance snapshot. And snapshot was first announced in 2018. And in many ways it replicated some of Google now's best features. We actually loved. That was like a, yeah. Yeah. It was really nice. But it was buried and forgotten and now it is being killed.

Jason Howell (01:05:43):
Dead, dead, dead. Oh. So, but you can still ask your assistant for the updates you find here. Yeah. Still, we're just not gonna proactively show you them. You have to ask, you have to ask it for it, for it. So, yeah. I don't know. I, I really didn't use snapshot and that's not because it wasn't a good feature. Google just buried it. Like it was, it was not, it was not nearly as easy. Like the beauty of Google now was, it was right there. There, it was right there. I told you exactly what you needed to know it. Yeah, no. Before you realized what you needed to know it, and it kind of like magical. And of course this was before anyone was getting super freaked out about, you know, Google, you know, having access to your data and, and doing smart things with it in order to be proactive on these things.

Jason Howell (01:06:29):
Now, people feel a little differently about that. But back then, it was amazing to get all that stuff in my feed in real time. And it was right there. It showed the power of assistant, right? Yes, totally. And why, I don't know, this seems like a silly thing to get rid of, and then it, then it got shuffled away into the snapshot area that was buried inside. It was a feature inside of a feature. Right. And kind of did the same thing in, in some ways, but not entirely, but it was just, it's like everybody forgot about it. I don't know. Did you ever use it when?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:56):
I probably did the same thing with you. I probably heard about the announcement. Use it for a day. Thought it was really awesome. And then kind of went back to old habits, so yeah, Yeah, yeah. It's just it's too bad,

Jason Howell (01:07:05):
Too bad, too bad. Wow. Too bad. So sad too bad. Sorry to say goodbye. It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Yeah. You should write a song about that. It's in my music. It's in my library. Yeah. You've added it to your library. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then the, the proper thing doesn't show that. No, what Dr. Okay. This is what drives me crazy about you two. Oh my God. It drives me crazy. Like, so like the way labels and bands are using streaming services now, like, like, like there's a couple bands that I I'm. I like, and they're putting out one song to tease an album coming out. Oh, YouTube music. And like, and you see like individual releases and you click on it and it's one song like, like it, it it's it's. Yeah. It's like, it appears there as an album, even though it's just a song.

Jason Howell (01:07:50):
And then when the album comes out, the song's exist still there. And they're all in the mixed in there. That's so confusing. It's almost as if YouTube music was made by engineers with that. Don't listen to music. Yeah. Right. Thank you. I think you might be right. Thank you. Think you might be right. A good one. All right. All right, coming up next. We have your feedback. That's up next? AAA, twi.tv. 3, 4, 7 show AA. If you wanna leave us a voicemail, but you're probably gonna email us. Which is what all three of today's emails did when you got the first one.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:24):
Yeah. So we've got tr sorry, Jeff. So Jeff trustee in salt lake city, Utah email to say, just watch the latest AA episode and seeing the circular camera array designed of the new honor. Flagship got me thinking, lots of people put pop sockets on their phones so they can hold them easier. What if phones went to a circular camera array that was in the center of the phone that also functioned kind of like a pop socket. This would allow the camera array to protrude more and give the manufacturer more space for better optical, zoom, larger camera sensors, and other components

Jason Howell (01:09:01):
That is wacky. That is wacky. That's pretty. I mean, I, I mean, I appreciate the idea. I mean, it's a modular phone, right? Like it's, it's its kind of, kind of like a, you know, like that would be cool. Like you could, how, how can you even do that though? Don't I hate pops sockets, but they say, where would you yeah. With all the cameras they're popular

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:21):
Though.

Jason Howell (01:09:22):
Yeah. They are very popular. Yeah. Nolo. Are they? Or were they, they still are. I still see them they're yeah. Yeah. They were, they were a thing. And I don't know. I haven't seen 'em lately. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know how you do this actually. I, how you would actually pull this off. I mean, I think the, the functionality will it'll break sooner. Like which, and you don't want to do that. Yeah. The camera hardware like shifting and moving and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I, I appreciate the idea. It's very creative. It is cool. But probably not gonna see that. I just don't even know how you pull that off. Who knows? Maybe. Awesome. We'll put out a phone that does this. I like the, I like the creativity and Jeff, I also, like you told us that you're coming in from salt lake city. So thank you. Please keep telling us where you're ready. Yeah. We like that. Like that we got a bunch of 'em this week. So we like to know yeah. Mike in Dubai. Oh, sorry.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:09):
Yeah. Oh, sorry. No, I'm just surprised there weren't more pop built in pop sockets by now.

Jason Howell (01:10:14):
Oh, built in pops, socket. I mean, I would, I honestly, I would judge the manufacturer who builds in a pop soccer. I would, I just would don't

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:20):
Judge people, people like it. I mean, I mean, we all judge people who buy pop pocket. I'm just kidding. I actually have a pop sock

Jason Howell (01:10:25):
Pocket.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:27):
So don't judge me. Maybe I really just want, want this. And I'm, I'm feeling Jeff on the pop socket this,

Jason Howell (01:10:32):
But maybe, but maybe that's exactly the reason, right? Like not everybody does like the pop socket and if you're the smartphone that releases with a pop socket. Yep. You're you're you know, you're, you're keeping the Rons out. I mean, it it's definitely targeted marketing or to a user group, you know, like it works for a certain group, two children or, or, or Kauai or like

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:57):
How about, Hmm. I don't, I can't even just, I can't even defend myself. I

Jason Howell (01:11:01):
Know. I'm sorry. Now, you know, this is how, this is the All About Android hazing. Right? That flow went through this. You'll go through it. Right. Oh dear. I,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:11):
I have a very fancy pop suck and it's actually a pop sock of this rather than a pop socket. It actually has like an elastic band with a magnet because I'm, I'm the dork at the gym that records my workout. So I can actually have like a little tripod that's magnetic and it just, oh, cool. Just goes into the, yeah. Anyway. That's that's like that's functional ninja level. That's ninja level. Nice pop. You just gotta get to a certain level. And then you ascend to the pop socket.

Jason Howell (01:11:35):
Yeah. The Illuminati that

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:37):
Illuminati that

Jason Howell (01:11:38):
Becomes cool.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:39):
The pop sock,

Jason Howell (01:11:42):
Pop, pop, sock, pop, pop, pop, pop socket mafia. There we go.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:48):
Say thank you.

Jason Howell (01:11:49):
All right. Let's do the next. All right. Mike, Mike and Dubai right in goodbye says hearing Ron talk about Android on his treadmill while watching AAA on my treadmill inspired me to share my setup. I've used a lot of treadmills with Android built in, but always found the setup lacking. Staring down is terrible running posture and noticeably affected my performance. Even my current mill with a tablet stand had me looking down to watch Netflix or AAA. Finally, I found a black Friday deal on Amazon for a 32 inch seven 20 P insignia TV with built in fire TV for 99 bucks plus $15 for a wall Mount to let me swing the TV a little closer. Cool. And I'm good to go look at that. Like that's awesome. That's a good setup. That's so cool. It was really the best pandemic investment. Having the Amazon remote, lets me control my YouTube queue and turning up the volume.

Jason Howell (01:12:42):
If you find yourself looking down too much while running, think about trying to get it cheap or use TV for that upgrade. Yeah. It's very, I mean, that's a great, that's a great setup. It's something I considered. I, I, my, my heart purchasing is now altered in that I'm no longer buying for myself. Yeah. And that I'm buying for my wife who is wonderful. And like one of the most brilliant people I know, not one of us. Right. So, so I'm trying to figure out how to make it as like, I didn't wanna get, cuz we, we talked about it. Like, do I wanna get a treadmill that you put a tablet in front of it? I tablet, she doesn't have a tablet. So now I need to buy her tablet. Yeah. And then I need to show her how to use the tablet.

Jason Howell (01:13:18):
And then it's a whole nother source of frustration. And so the one I got was the Nordic track, 10 treadmill, which to your point, Mike, the, the screen is higher up and actually at eye level and it does tilt down cause my wife is shorter so she can see it at her eye level. And it just, just that much easier. She just taps Netflix and watched grey anatomy and then done so like that. But but yeah, but it's funny is that I got it. I set it up and then I went on this trip, so I actually haven't used it yet. So I'm looking forward to go home, to catch up on TV and actually use it. But yeah, we'll see. And of course I got it. Cause I couldn't go running in the winter and now what it was like 62 degrees in New York the other day.

Jason Howell (01:13:53):
So like I'll now it's given the option. IM I'm gonna go run outside over running inside, but it's nice. You'll you'll have plenty of opportunity to use it. I'm sure yes' about it. Good investment. Good investment. Indeed. Thank you for sharing that, Mike. That's awesome. We love it. When people send photos of their rigs and thank you for watching the show by the way I that's that's really? Yeah, we appreciate you. Alright, well I'm so excited. Did you do this because I'm here or is this okay? Great. You know, I do these things. I'm so excited to do it to not only do it in person, but with our new production crew. I know Brad is really excited about his first one. It is now Tom swirling right now there, let him press the button. Let him press the button. Burke. Don't don't don't okay.

Jason Howell (01:14:28):
It's okay. It's now Todd for the email of the week. Thank you. Oh, almost jump the gun. Brad, Brad jumps the gun Burke lags. Brad's he's ready. He anticipates alright. Our email the week. Oh Brad. Thank you, Brad. Brad. okay. Comes from James, who says of all the Twitch shows all of about Android is baby's favorite emoji thumbs up. Gives me some time to work while I leave All About Android in the pop out player from the TWI site. Look at that. Just thought it'd be fun for the team to enjoy seeing some of your younger viewer base time to get ads for hit baby products of re to really drain my wallet joking, but not really. And James, congratulations on your little dude. I assume that's a dude or a little dude that or a little one. Little human, little, little human being, little human.

Jason Howell (01:15:20):
We're so glad that we are enter entertain more entertaining than that set of Lord of the rings figures that you haven't given to baby yet. That we see there in your photo. No, look at that. Yeah. There little baby Gandolph yeah. Oh, they're PEs dispensers though. It's even cooler. That's awesome. Love it. But Hey listen. All bad. Android is great. It's it's informative. It's entertaining. It's a babysitter. Like we, we, a little bit of it for everybody, but glad you can get some work done and entertain the kid start 'em early. That's what I say for sure. The longer you can delay a watching nonsense on YouTube. Like my kids now do, which is just, I mean, there's, there's only so much you can do. Right? My so, so, so my daughter found and she's three. I don't know how she finds this stuff, but she found and what it is is it's literally like, like the on YouTube, there's all the like cocoa melon and all this like nonsense animation.

Jason Howell (01:16:11):
Yeah. And then what happens is that the's the recommended videos. Yes. And she looks and says that one. And then she, she, she goes the next one. Somehow she found somebody who like, has made elaborate Maes for hamsters to go through. And like, they re that's awesome. They recreated like boards from super Mario brothers and stuff like that. And she's just fascinated by it. Which is cute. But also I'm like, don't go outside. Don't do, but whatever. So YouTube's weird. So YouTube James keep watching TWI with your kid. That's awesome. Thank you. And for that, you are our email the week. Yeah. Brad's not cutting it. I sorry, Brad, listen, you've already that's fired Brad. Well, had it. Oh shoot. I've had it with Brad. It was one thing after another with that guy, it was time to go to idiot. Yeah. Could you just Brad, could you close the door on the way out so that we don't get any sick?

Jason Howell (01:17:00):
Oh, don't gimme that look. Close the door on the way. Okay. Thank you. Gotta lay down the law of this place actually did I actually a confession time I did that, like 20 plus years ago I had a gig and we were doing, we, we were doing hardware. Like we were putting together, optical drives like this kind of thing. And like, we'd get all the parts we put 'em together and then ship 'em to the manufacturer and that sort of thing. This is like back in the nineties. And so there was someone on the other end that I was like, that was like working with and responsible for. And whenever we screwed something up, I they'd call me like, Hey, the Shipman was missing this stuff. I'm like, oh God Brad, Brad, what? And there was no Brad. Like I would just hold the phone and I would yell at somebody.

Jason Howell (01:17:36):
I'm like, listen, I'm gonna deal with this. We'll take, I'm gonna discipline him. It's gonna be fine. Dang Brad. Like I just needed someone else to blame for my mistakes. Not that out for you. It worked out great. It was good. That did you fire? Yeah, we, we got rid of Brad. Yeah. And then I think make a new person off. And it was then that person, the person that you were talking to actually came for a visit. Hey, where's proud. I would love to be at lunch. Oh yeah. You gotta be careful with that. There's a patent All About Android confession always catch you. Whoa. Wow. who knew Brad would be mentioned throughout this episode of he's really had an impact on us, you know, that could just be the title of Brad. We reached the end of this episode of all about Anne. It's been a lot of fun. Awesome. Having you in the studio, so good to be here. So, so from here going forward. Yeah, I think, I, I think I will, like, I can do the fly. It'll be no problem every, every week. Yeah. No, no I can't. And we'll get you out here as well when

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:35):
I'm I'm even closer. So if Ron's gonna come up every week, then every

Jason Howell (01:18:39):
Week don't budget impact. Not yet. We'll someday we'll figure it out. We'll forgiveness. Not permission, honestly. Like, like we should, I mean like in a perfect world, would you come out for IO? Yeah. So like that's probably our best bet if IO ever happens again to oughts to go to IO and like do the show before it or after it or something like that. Yeah. So let's down, start planning it for that. All right. Yeah. All right. Youtube or YouTube, YouTube. Google make that happen. We'll tell you what we really think of YouTube music in person. Yes. Oh dear. They invited to be good. I wanted to see. All right, well, this is the end of the show. Opportunity to talk about anything you guys got going on, Ron. Well, you're sitting here. So yeah, I was just telling, I was talking to Victor about the hamsters.

Jason Howell (01:19:31):
She's like, where can I find that? I know he said, Victor says one of my nieces watches the hamster mace too. And the whole, family's wondering how she found that. Yes. How did they find it? Yeah, so it's so great to be here in person. But you can connect with me virtually. You can go on Twitter and on Instagram, I'm at Ron XO, all one word. I don't post as much as I used to, but every now and then I drop a gem and of course I'm wearing my awesome scoreboard hoodie. This is the only purples scoreboard hoodie, hoodie that exists in the world. It's the CEO hoodie that I get to wear. Nice. but go toba.io. You can check out all the cool stuff we're doing about connected pinball there, which means connecting pinball machines to the internet and go to Google play and download the score mobile app and go play pinball. It's fun. Check it all out. And if anybody needs anything tweet at me or email me and I'll help you. So not about like your life, just about pinball. Yeah. Although I'd be curious if you asked him about your life. I mean, I'll, I'll give you my opinion. I I'll, I'll chime in, I can't do your taxes, but I got a guy. So you

Burke (01:20:26):
Destroy him. Like he destroyed Brad.

Jason Howell (01:20:27):
Yeah. Listen, Brad knows what he did. Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:30):
For Brad.

Jason Howell (01:20:31):
I saw it in his face. He really does know what he did. Thank you, Ron. Awesome. Having you here when what do you want people to know other than your awesome show that's happening tomorrow? Awesome.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:42):
Yeah. Well yeah. So why if you're interested at all on kind of, even more of the dev sites stuff, and we actually have really interesting, less, Ramly less kind of tech, jargony filled interviews and kind of segments on Android development. Watch the Android show. You can catch it live tomorrow at 10:00 AM Pacific on the Android developer's YouTube channel, but there will be a bot I believe afterwards. And yeah, that's kind of like the biggest thing I've been at. Like I know Jason asking, what do you wanna talk about when, what do you want people to know? And I'm like, I want people to know about this, but I can't talk about it until, you know, they, they release the thing and they release the thing. So yeah, definitely check out the Android show, especially if you're interested in the dev side of things and in particular about large screens and Android 13 and you can find me on the internet. Otherwise is at queen code monkey on Instagram and the Twitters.

Jason Howell (01:21:31):
Ah, congrats on that show, man. That's I mean, that's, that's really cool. I'm gonna watch it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:21:35):
That's awesome.

Jason Howell (01:21:36):
It's almost

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
Time for another episode of the Android show

Burke (01:21:39):
Are playing again. We're bringing the

Jason Howell (01:21:40):
Conversation. We're just gonna watch it now. Everybody we're gonna co watch it. Can you commentate it as we watch it? Yeah. That's awesome.

Burke (01:21:47):
Forget the YouTube ion. Please ask him to this need to get rid of auto play.

Jason Howell (01:21:52):
You can turn that off. You can turn it off. Yeah, I know. It's they got rid of autoplay. You can do choice.

Burke (01:21:56):
I turn it off. It's turned off all the time. Somebody else turns it back on. Well,

Jason Howell (01:21:59):
That's a, that's a book problem. That's not a YouTube problem. I'm not Brad's bad problem. Let's put blame where blame goes.

Burke (01:22:08):
I'm he stepped all over your,

Jason Howell (01:22:10):
Your outro

Burke (01:22:11):
Going when.

Jason Howell (01:22:12):
Oh, Brad's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:13):
Okay. Brad. I'm disappointed. And

Jason Howell (01:22:16):
Don't worry, Brad doesn't work here anymore. Okay. We took care of Brad. We took care of Brad. He's gone. I mean, he got a for obvious reasons. He got a good severance package. Let's don't Brad's gonna be okay. Yeah. He's probably gonna get a job at Google. He

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:30):
Really sorry.

Burke (01:22:30):
He's gonna get what he deserves.

Jason Howell (01:22:32):
Nothing.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:32):
That's no. And then, then karma will happen and we'll get what we deserve. And then, you know, you won't, you, everything will be autoplay

Jason Howell (01:22:39):
Forever. He's gonna be like, oh yeah, watch that. You don't want auto play Burke. He got a job in the autoplay department at YouTube and they're like, we're gonna get rid of that setting. So. Awesome. So cool. Yeah, definitely check it out the AADE show and yeah, that's super cool. That's awesome. Congrats. Congrats. Very

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:55):
Cool. Oh, thank you.

Jason Howell (01:22:57):
Big, thanks to Burke. Big. No, thanks to Brad. No, thanks. Big. Thanks to Victor. All, all of those. At least those two, helping us do this show each and every week. Brad, that's another story. And you can find me on Twitter at Jason Howell. Sometimes I post there again, like Ron, not a whole lot these days. What can I say? I'm busy, we're busy. We're all busy these days. And then let's see here club. Twitter is something that you out. If you like our shows and you don't want to have to watch the ads that we do well, twi.tv/club TWI. That's where you can go and you get all of our shows and no ads. You also get exclusive TWI plus podcast feed content. Sometimes we take the pre or postshow discussions and put that in the feed. Often a Pruitt who's the community manager is doing amazing interviews.

Jason Howell (01:23:47):
Mike is doing some interviews coming up here with other TWI staff like non host, TWI staff, really cool stuff coming up. So we got a whole lot to look forward to there. And then a members only discord channel all $7 per month. You get all that for seven bucks a month. So twi.tv/club TWI, but this show publishes every tuesday@twi.tv slash AA. So go there subscribe. Then you don't have to think about it. We do the show live. So if you wanna watch, you know, you can go to twi.tv/live, be in the well discord. If you're a club TWI member be in the IRC. And you know, sometimes you end up being mentioned on the show becoming part of the show because you tell us things that we didn't already know, and that's awesome. You become a part of it that way. So we appreciate that and hope to see you next time on All About Android. We'll see you next Tuesday. Bye everybody.

Ron Richards (01:24:39):
Bye.

Jason Howell (01:24:39):
My cable.

Rod Pyle (01:24:42):
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