All About Android 617, Transcript

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Ron Richards (00:00:00):
Coming off the Pixel ad in the Super Bowl for this Valentine's Day special, we go deep inside the Android 14 developer preview. We got leaks of upcoming phones from Motorola, Sony, and Samsung, plus your email and voicemails on this week's All About Android

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Ron Richards (00:00:24):
This is All About Android, episode 617. Recorded Tuesday, February 14th, 2023. Inside Android 14 Dev preview. This episode of All About Android is brought to you by Bitwarden. Get the password manager that offers a robust and cost-effective solution that can drastically increase your chances of staying safe online. Get started with a free trial of a teams or enterprise plan, or get started for free across all devices as an individual user at Bitwarden.com/twit. And by Cachefly. Cachefly is the only CDN built for throughput. Delivering rich media content up to 10 times faster than traditional delivery methods and 30% faster than other major CDNs. Learn how you can get your first month free at Cachefly.com. Welcome to All About Android, your weekly source for the latest news, hardware and apps for the Android Faithful. I'm Ron Richards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:15):
I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Mishaal Rahman (00:01:18):
And I'm Mishaal Rahman.

Ron Richards (00:01:20):
And there you are. We are your three guides to the world of Android Today, tonight and this week, tomorrow, at least till next week. Jason is off. Whatever you think. Yeah, exactly. Whenever you listen to this Jason is off having a wonderful vacation with this family. If you fall him on social media you see that having a great time skiing. We wish he was here, but we are so glad he is having a good time. But we're excited because Mishaal's got a lot to talk about about Android 14 tonight, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we got a lot of, we got a lot of leaks. We got some Samsung stuff. We got some, we got, we got. It's, it's, it's a whole bunch of good Android stuff. And hopefully I vamped enough to give Burke enough time to plan for the news bumper, cuz now it is time for Android News.

Burke (00:02:10):
Well kind of. And it looks like we've removed Jason with the Pixel 7

Ron Richards (00:02:16):
Oh man. <Laugh>. Now see, there you go. You had it. You, you see, you didn't do kind of, he's here

Mishaal Rahman (00:02:23):
He's here in spirit

Ron Richards (00:02:24):
<Laugh>. Jason has been magic erased. Unfortunately. So there it is.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:31):
<Laugh>.

Ron Richards (00:02:32):
Mishaal, when did you watch the super Bowl? This past weekend? I'm sorry? The big game this past weekend?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:37):
I sure did. Oh yeah. I can't say that. I watched the big game.

Ron Richards (00:02:41):
You watched the big game. Big game. Can't watch the big Did you, did you see the, the fixed on Pixel ad that ran during it?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:49):
Yeah. <laugh>, it's great. So I, so I, we talked about this, I think, I don't think we talked about in the show, but we had talked about it in chat when Google, like last week put out some message where, yet again, there was like a blue bubble talking to our green bubble and asking you, I think it was like the blue bubble, asking the green bubble, can you fix this for me? And they're like, oh, you gotta wait until like February 12th or whatever, or 13th or some, whatever it is. And I was, I think we were like vaguely speculating on what that could be. And yeah, I was expecting more dude, perfectly frank, just, you know, just expecting a little more for all that. I, I don't know.

Ron Richards (00:03:28):
Like I, I I know, and we talked about a little leading up to the show, and so what, what I'm ref ref what I'm referencing here is that Google ran a, a commercial during the big game during the Super Bowl and is up on YouTube. They posted on the Google blog and on YouTube before the game as like all the brands do now. Like, you don't need to watch the game anymore, you can just see all the commercials before the game <laugh>. But and so they, they came out with an ad for a campaign that is called Fixed On Pixel, and it featured, you know, Amy Schumer and a basketball player whom I'm not familiar with. And, and a and someone else I'm not familiar with named Doja Cat. Cat, yeah. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. but anyway so I guess it's relevant to the kids.

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 But yeah, and it, it, it was, you know, a an ad for Pixel that focused on Magic Eraser and Unblur and, and you know, basically the features of the camera and the Pixel seven. And so Huyen I understand, you know, like I get where you're coming from as one of us where you kind of expect more, but I gotta say the only thing that any normal, by normal, I mean, just like random person in a deli in New York that has asked me about my Pixel seven has asked about, has before this ad we talked about in the show was the Magic Eraser. Like during the, during the World Cup, they, they advertised Pixel heavily on that, and the guy in the deli was like, oh, you got one of those phones that can fix your photos. Show me how that works. So like, I think they're leaning, they're leaning into their differentiator in the marketplace. I I, I don't know what, Mishaal, what do you think?

Mishaal Rahman (00:04:53):
No, I definitely think this was a clever, I mean, this is the best feature they could have marketed at the Super Bowl because it's definitely like the one you can talk about with your friends or like on social media, like the kind of thing that goes viral. You know, you just post like a before and after of a photo that you fixed on a pixel, you know, using Magic Eraser. And I think that's something that is something that anyone can really relate to. Like I think Google could have done a better job at marketing its features in the past, you know, like things like car crash detection, right? Everyone thinks iPhone now did it first when like Pixel has had it for years and like, we haven't seen that many commercials or marketing out of Google for it, but now we're seeing that happen with Magic Eraser and they chose a perfect time to really put it on full blast. And I definitely think it was the right thing to choose to, you know, put front and center. You know, for us we've been like inundated with it. We're familiar with it, we've known about it for years, so it's like, eh, it's not exciting anymore, right? Because we've already known about it for so long, but there's a lot of people who've probably never even heard of a Pixel phone and now they're aware that it can do something that the iPhone can't do.

Ron Richards (00:05:57):
Exactly. And, and like, and it's going like super super ma like, you don't get more mainstream than a Super Bowl ad, right? So, so, well Huyen I, I get, I get where you're coming from that you expected more, like, I actually thought this was pretty successful and like sells the phone and like, it doesn't lean on Android. It's, this is something that the Pixel seven can do and it's, you know, it's more to push the phone rather than the operating system, which I think makes sense. I don't know, I, but I dunno, for Super Bowl ads, I thought it worked,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:25):
Although, I mean, that's kinda what the Super Bowl ad is, so like a spectacle, right? And I, I do agree. Yeah. Like, I'm not trying to be like total Debbie Downer that it is a, it is the place <laugh> to spend lots of money in marketing where you're gonna get eyeballs on it. But I, I guess I, I kind of was anticipating something that would maybe unlock it, you know, I real, so as, as like an enthusiast, I'm kind of like biased, but I also feel like I kind had wished that I always kind of wish these features are obviously meant to sell pixels, but I kind of like it when software is available in more than just one phone, but that's just me.

Ron Richards (00:06:57):
Oh yeah. But that's, that's capitalism right there. You're walking right into a capitalism trap, so Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so go, go on YouTube, watch it, check it out, check it out for yourself. I will say that they, they took some dramatic license with the actual Magic Eraser functionality, and that was a little, a little more VFX wizardry than Magic Eraser going on there. But it get, it gets the point across, I guess. But yeah. All right. So, but that said last, after we finished the show last week, sure enough, the next day something happened. So Mishaal, you, you've been on the front lines of this. Why don't you, why don't you tell us about the Android 14 developer preview 1?

Mishaal Rahman (00:07:33):
Oh boy. So so there's two parts to this, right? There's the official blog post from Google announcing Android 11 develop, I'm sorry, Android 14 developer preview one. And you know, there's a couple of developer focus changes and new APIs and things that are, you know, available for developers that you can read about. But of course for users, none of that Is that interesting because of course, this is like developer preview, you're only supposed to be installing this if you are a developer testing your application. And even then there are a lot of changes that, you know, won't really be applicable for a lot of developers. Like, so you gotta read through the post and find out what's actually relevant to my app and to my workflow and you know, what I'm doing. But that being said, Android 14 is a new major release of the os and there's always, always, always a whole lot more going on under the hood.

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And so when Google publicly released the developer preview images for the Pixel, I decided to take a look, sold it on my phones, went through all the applications, you know, the, the system apps, everything in it to find out what's actually new in the new release that, you know, isn't being talked about yet, but could be coming in a future release. And I think, you know, I, I've published I think 11 articles so far, and I don't think we had time to talk about all of them in depth. But there are a couple of highlight changes that I wanted to talk about. So the first one is the app cloning feature. I think that's the one that's gotten the most attention. So if you use a phone from Samsung or an OEM or one of the other, you know, third party device makers you probably are familiar with an app cloning feature.

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You can, you know, have two instances of one app simultaneously. So in this example, you can see the screenshots. We have two instances of discord. Native Android hasn't supported this functionality since forever, right? If you want to clone an app, you had to either, you know, actually repackage the app so that Android will allow you to install a second copy of it, or you'd have to create like a work profile which would allow you to install it onto that profile. But of course, it's kind of janky to set up a work profile even though you're not actually using it for work profile purposes, right? And I have, I have a work

Ron Richards (00:09:48):
Profile on my phone for my work and it's so annoying. It's, I just wish I could add it as a regular account. It's so frustrating. But anyway, none

Mishaal Rahman (00:09:55):
Of they were there, so, yeah. Yeah. So this is actually taking advantage of functionality that Android added in Android 12, but Google is now like building on that to actually make it usable for users. So like there's, as you saw on the screenshots, there's a new settings page for cloning applications and what they have yet to add is launcher integration. So on your home screen, there's no way to differentiate between the original app and the clone app. So that's kind of a problem right now. And something we may see addressed in a future developer preview or beta. So one downside, or one limitation of this feature as it's currently working is that the list of apps that you can clone is actually hard coded in the os. So you can't just like say I want to clone whatever app I install from Google Play.

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It's right now determined by the oem which is a bit of a bummer, but I'm sure there's gonna be workarounds for that once this feature is publicly available or if it's publicly available because it's not enabled yet in the developer preview. It's something that I had to enable to show off. That's the first major feature that I think people are interested in. The second one is the new predictive back gesture. So I say new, but if you've been watching the show for a while, you've probably already heard about this one before. So when Android 13, Google introduced the predictive back gesture system what this does is it basically enables the system to know ahead of time what task basically will be coming out next in the so-called backsack. So when you're like swiping through, tapping on pages within an app, the system keeps track of where you're going so that it knows where you're going back whenever you go whenever you tap the back button or you swipe back.

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 But the problem was it didn't have a perfect picture of what would actually happen when you hit back. So what Google's basically doing, it's, it's kind of complicated to explain it, but they're basically working with developers. It's something developers actually have support so that the system knows always what's going to happen whenever you do the back button. And because it knows where the back button will take you, it's able to play this transition animation that you're seeing right now so that it can basically peak and show you like a little preview of where you're gonna be going when you actually finish the back gesture. In Android 13, the predictive back animation, it only supported going back to the home screen. So you could swipe back and you would see that this back gesture would take me back to the home screen.

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And Android 14, they're upgrading this so that you can actually have a preview when you're going between apps or within apps as you can see here. So it's kind of a, it's something that we've already known about. Google has already talked about this at io, they've shown examples of it. So this is just something we've been expecting for a while and we're finally seeing the fruits of that go live soon in Android 14. Of course, it's something developers will have to support in their apps and if they don't Google warns that things may be broken. So I don't know about you when what are your, what is your take on predictive back? Like how are y'all fairing with this?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:01):
I I mean, I love it. Like, I, I think, I think the fact, so when I first heard about it and like, you know, the, the first thing we heard was like back to home. It was like, although that's nice, but that's kind of a very, like a, a very specific use case. But the fact that it now works for all, like, you know, across both like various screens of the app and back to home, I would hope that it would encourage people to do that. Cause especially for, for, I mean, just even at a very base level that looks really good, right? That's real sexy and it, and it is giving the user information, which, and I think a lot of times on apps that I've worked on, one of the complaints that we got, especially kind of at my old job, was that people kind of didn't know, even if they were on a familiar screen in apps, depending on how complicated your app is or whether, you know, you do things like link notifications where you can kind of like jump into like a workflow or, you know, whatever your various use cases are, people can kind of get a little confused about what back means.

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So I'm actually really excited about it and I, I, you know, it's kind of easy as a developer across many of my projects to kind of just let to, to, from up until now to have, let back navigation just be bad as kind of like a foregone conclusion. Cuz it can be hard to implement. It can be hard to make it look good, but I think given that this is in there, it's sort of being forced on us more or less. I mean, it's not gonna kill your app, but it's, you know, you know, when you compare someone that does support it with someone who won't, there'll be a big difference. And the fact that, you know, for if you're, if you're like doing your homework and you're updating to the latest like jet pack and whatever, you, you should be covered. I'm excited for it and I honestly can't wait. Like, and it's, and for us, for like devs that want to do like the right thing, sometimes things like this that are a little bit flashy, a little bit more user facing can be a much easier sell to be like, Hey, I need to spend two weeks to kind of fix this. So I'm, I'm all for it. I can't wait. I'm, I'm ready to get that sexy little like little peak when someone does a back on any of the apps I work on. So, thumbed up.

Ron Richards (00:14:51):
I just thought it, I just thought it fascinating that we're here at like, almost that version 14 <laugh> and we're still working on back gesture. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:58):
I know <laugh>,

Ron Richards (00:14:59):
I know I feel like at least every other year with every other version of Android, we talk about the back je, you know, like whether it was like eliminating the, the, the back button on the bottom, adding it back, eliminating again. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> adding a gestures, like all this same of stuff. I mean, it's funny, it's funny when, because, and when you think about it from an intellectual standpoint of like user interface design, it's like, it, it's a problem that, that it, it seems like such a simple, well go back from where you are, but like, what is like to you to the point you made when, what does back mean back within the app? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> back to the os back to the home screen. But like, yeah, like, and, and so I just find it, I, it's kind the kind of thing I don't think we'll ever truly solve, but <laugh>

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:36):
That that is all true. You think it's simple and then someone comes at you and you're like, I didn't think about that. I don't know. And then a lot of times, like you said, like where, where, where should I be going? Varies. the opinion varies from person to person. So it's again, compromise on what's gonna piss people, the less people, the fewest people off if we do a thing. So yeah, 2023 back still a thing. I think it's always gonna be kinda a thing.

Ron Richards (00:16:01):
Just say well that sure can't be it, Mishaal, right? There's gotta be more

Mishaal Rahman (00:16:07):
<Laugh>. Oh no, far from it. The next one is actually I, I swear I didn't know this before. People say this is a feature that iOS already had. Well, I'm not the iOS guy, I'm the Andrew Android guy, so I had no idea <laugh>, but this next

Ron Richards (00:16:20):
Feature, look at him. Fainting ignorance right here. <Laugh> <laugh>.

Mishaal Rahman (00:16:26):
So this next feature basically, so right now a lot of social media applications will, not just social media applications, but a lot of applications in general, whenever they ask for permission to access your gallery, so like your photos or videos, they get permission to access your entire gallery. So all of your photos or all of your videos, well, wouldn't be nice if you could just say no. If you could just say, I'll decide which photos and videos this Apple have access to. Well, that's exactly what this new feature in Android 14 seems to be enabling. So what Google is working on is a new menu item in the permission dialogue. So whenever an app asks you for access to photos and videos, you'll have a new option in that dialogue that says select photos. And when you tap that, it'll open the photo picker that was introduced in Android 13, and then it'll let you select which photos and videos you want to give that app access to.

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So this is actually a really clever solution. And again, I had no idea this was something iOS already did. So I, I don't know truly how clever it really is, but nevertheless, it's still a really, really good feature. But basically like one of the problems with the photo picker as it was introduced is that it required apps to actually opt in and support it. It wasn't like a difficult thing to support, it was just like a single intent. I, I don't really have the time to explain that, but like, it was not really a complicated API to support. The photo picker had some limitations of course, but overall it was very user friendly in, in a privacy preserving way. So like, it would let you pick what photos and videos to give apps access to, and the app that invoked the photo picker didn't ha need to have any permissions whatsoever.

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So the app that used it didn't have to be able to read anything on your gallery. You could pick whatever you want to give access to and you know, everyone's happy. But the problem is a lot of apps didn't use it or they, you know, for one reason they didn't want to use it. Maybe they wanted to have access to your gallery for tracking or whatever purposes. Or maybe they didn't like the way the photo picker worked. Maybe they didn't like some of the limitations, whatever. There's many different valid reasons that they may not want to implement it. But this feature in Enter 14 is giving you the user the choice of, you know, whether or not you want to limit an app's access or you want them to have full access.

Ron Richards (00:18:47):
All right, I, I, I mean this, this is interesting for, to a certain degree, but it, this comes down to, you know, as we all permissions and access and stuff like that, it continues to evolve and get more locked down, I guess, right? So mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Well, the, the next, the, the next point you have, Mishaal, is one that I've been keeping an eye on.

Mishaal Rahman (00:19:09):
Oh yeah. The dreaded, dreaded blow carrier installed. So it's actually less exciting than it actually sounds. <Laugh>. So what Android 14, I mean, it sounds exciting, but what do you actually think about it? It's not that exciting because it basically just makes something you could have already done a little easier. So basically what Android 14 is introducing is this new system service called background install control. What this does is it scans for apps that have been silently installed in the background and it puts them in a list and it says, here are some apps that were installed in the background. They may have been installed by your carrier or OEM and you may not need them. So here's a list if you wanna uninstall them, go ahead. That's basically all it does. It's just putting it together a list of apps that you may not want.

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And of course that's kind of surprising functionality to have considering, you know, the amount of preloads a lot of devices come with nowadays. And you know, now Android is giving you this menu to say, Hey, you can get rid of all of these if you want. Of course there's still some limitations. You can't actually uninstall apps that are actually preloaded in the system image, you know, that ships on your device. Like you can't get rid of apps on the OS itself because tho those are like baked into the, to the firmware. But if say you insert a carrier, sorry, sorry, you insert a carrier sim card and then, you know, some app starts triggering the insulation of like 17 other apps. Like I pulled up an example in the article where someone said they inserted a certain carrier SIM card and then all of a sudden 17 apps got installed onto their device. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> it's not like native functionality of Android. It's probably something like the OEM and the carrier worked out like an agreement on on, on how to implement, but that's probably, I think everyone would agree that is bloatware, you know, you don't want all those apps just cuz you inserted the carrier sim card, right? So this service would detect those apps and then give you a nice list for which from which you can uninstall them.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:21:06):
I like it. The OS is giving you a naughty list, you know, like this, this carrier was a little bit like sneaking around behind your back doing some nefarious things and they got put on the, oh, like a naughty list, I think like a Santa Claus list, not like any kind of like, you know, serious list, but like, you know, like, well they, these apps that are bad and I like, it just cuts gets kind of like just section house. Anyway, I think it's fine and I love it. I I, I do love it because I think sometimes given how much like pre-installed apps we have and how many apps that I know I install just from trying stuff out gets confusing. I like this a lot. I'm into it. Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:21:40):
It's a good one. All right. So, so Mishaal, so of the other, I mean, you dug so deep into this, I would love to hear like a couple more things you think is interesting and then your total takeaway of developer preview one. Just kind of like a, you know, if you had to grade it to a certain degree, <laugh>.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:21:55):
<Laugh>,

Mishaal Rahman (00:21:55):
Right? So there's one more feature I'll quickly highlight, and it's the oh, basically if you're familiar, like last year Google kind of forced developers to fill out this form, this call, this data safety forum, basically saying, you know, what data are you collecting and why are you collecting it? And I

Ron Richards (00:22:14):
Had to personally, I had to personally, personally fill out the form for my app. I went through the whole process myself, a just to like, to try it and see what it was like, but also had to do it because if we didn't do it by deadline, they would've pulled our app from the store. So mm-hmm.

Mishaal Rahman (00:22:26):
<Affirmative>. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was definitely a, a requirement like every app pretty much, if, if you've updated an app or you submit a new app, you have to fill out this form. You have to state, you know, what you're doing with data and why you're collecting it. And that data, that information that you submit, right now it's only in the Google Play store, but it looks like an Android 14. That information may be more front and center to users. So I spotted a new settings page where you can see apps that have updated their data safety information. And I also spotted a new, basically a section in the location permission where you can see what data safety information that developer has submitted for that app. So, for example, when you're going to grant an app, the location permission, if that app has a data safety label on Google Play and they say that we're using location for advertising or, you know, app functionality, it'll say that directly in the, the permission dialogue. You don't have to go to Google Play and look at the data safety information there. It'll be front and center in Android itself. Of course, this is not, this functionality hasn't landed in Android 14 TP one. It's not something you can install and see immediately. It's something that I enabled. So there's no guarantee this will actually be a feature of Android 14, but Well

Ron Richards (00:23:41):
Well, and, and that's, and that whole, and that's, that's the whole caveat and disclaimer with all this developer preview one for hundred 14. This is like, this is like, this is the first inning, right? <Laugh> mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, like we've, we've seen, we've seen other developer previews where like come through where we see functionality that doesn't make it to the final release, right? So now the, the clock is ticking on a lot of these functionalities, see what makes it through the gauntlet when they eventually do rollout Android 14 later this, later this year.

Mishaal Rahman (00:24:09):
Well, that, that is true, but like, it's not like Google's throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks with DP one. Like they, they already have like a roadmap. They have a good idea of what they want to do, whether or not they can complete it in time before, you know, they have to say, okay, we gotta cut things off and wait for the next release, or we'll just scrap it entirely, you know? So like a lot of these features, of course, they've been working on them for a while. It's not like they did it like a week before DP one's release.

Ron Richards (00:24:33):
No, no. But we, but of course, but we've seen, we've seen that in the past. I mean, like scope storage. Yeah. Like I feel like there's been other stuff that has been like, they wanted to get it in. They, they saw it, how it worked out, they said, oh, it's not ready for Prime, then they pulled in, then it was in the next version or that sort of thing. So, yeah. Yeah. yeah, you just gotta caveat it all. So this is just a, anything can happen at this point. So

Mishaal Rahman (00:24:50):
<Laugh>, this is a preview of what can come, like all these articles are just showing off things that are in DP one, but may not be publicly available in the staple release. So these are just things, you know, if you're a developer or user are, just keep an eye on, you know, I'll, I'll share updates as I learn more information of course, but I can't guarantee that all of these features will be available.

Ron Richards (00:25:13):
Right. All right. So, so overall, what is your, what, what did you think of developer preview one so far? After being with it for almost a week?

Mishaal Rahman (00:25:24):
On the surface, it's not very, it's not that different from Android 13, but it's definitely shaping up to be a pretty big release. It's hard for me to like, put together a full idea of how big it really is because I'm still digging through it, still learning about new things every day. But I do think a lot of the big, a lot of the changes that are coming are really big. Like the predictive back overhaul app cloning will be really useful. All the other stuff. So I do think it's gonna be a pretty exciting release.

Ron Richards (00:25:56):
All right. And when, at what point do you install install developer previews on your phone? Do you do it at all? Do you wait for release? Oh goodness. Like, Ja, Jason would install this for the get-go if you were here. I wait for final release, right. So where do you f Jason installed it and now he's gone. So but yeah, <laugh>, but when, at what point do you jump on the next version?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:26:17):
Oh, goodness. For, so for, for previous teams I've been on, it's kind of been like a community thing. And usually I tend to think of releases in the context of my job and what that might mean for, you know, things that we might have to accommodate or check for, like just make sure we don't have any aggressions or things like that. So generally I don't really rush to add the, to, to load the developer preview, especially on my main driver. I really should be more active. But I usually, I also feel like usually my pixel's my main driver. Not this year I got this folder, this tear, so, but I, I generally pretty cautious about it. And also I think for us, I, well for, so for me, I usually wait until a little bit closer just because I want things to be a little more baked.

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I also don't wanna like either kind of prematurely panic or, you know kind of think that something is a bug or something is like a regression with it in an early developer release. And then we kind of like, you know, run, run around with their, like chickens with their heads cut off trying to fix it when it's kind of like a Google problem, not a US problem. So I generally wait, I'll probably kind of maybe in the summer look more seriously into installing it into like a daily driver or, you know, a very, you know, a like one of my work test phones. But usually this, the, the, these first couple, I'll kind of just wait and see. I'm not the most like, I don't know, maybe on the ball developer out there, but usually at a previous team we'd have at least maybe our qa QA folks install it just to get a, an idea of like, Hey, does our app like absolutely die as soon as, you know, like we have the double preview in there, or was like, oh, okay. Like pretty things look croquet, like, we seem to be all right, we can kind of chill, you know, and relax a little bit. So it's just like more like putting your foot in the water and seeing if something bites it. If it does, then kind of just keeping your eyes open. So.

Ron Richards (00:27:58):
Sure. Well, before we move on, Mishaal, there was one, actually one other one I wanted to flag in in here, which was the tell me, tell everybody about the third party app stores aspect of it.

Mishaal Rahman (00:28:09):
So basically there's just new, yeah, there's just some new APIs to make third party app stores work a little better. Basically app, third party app stores now have the ability to tell when you're actively using an app so that they don't update it, you know, and like break whatever you're doing. And then there's another API that lets third party app stores take ownership over updates of an app. So that's, say if you installed an app from a third party app store and you also have that app is available through Google Play, you can say, I want updates to only be exclusively delivered through that third party app store and not through Google Play, or vice versa. And then there's one more thing where you can also have user pre-approval to where if a third party app store deems it necessary that they want to prompt the user before doing an automatic update, they can do that. So all in all, just some nice quality of life improvements to improve the experience for third party app stores on Android. Cause right now, you know, you have to be a pre-installed first party app store to have access to a lot of the same privileged APIs at like Google Play and like the Galaxy App store I have access to. But they're kind of slowly bridging that gap between third party and first party app stores,

Ron Richards (00:29:17):
Which, which is interesting because, you know, the, the, the even concept of that years ago was just, you know, inconceivable, right? So it's, it's fascinating to see how far we've come, but eventually we'll go I guess if it, if it makes it to the final release. So, all right, cool. Well, so much more about Android 14 <laugh>. Where, where Mishaal, where can people go find more, more of your analysis on this stuff? <Laugh>?

Mishaal Rahman (00:29:41):
I'm posting everything on my Twitter at Mishaal Rahman, as you can see on the ticket at the bottom. But the articles themselves are right currently on X D A developers. So if you just look on Xta developers on my author profile, you'll see all of the Android 14 content that I've published. I'm temporarily publishing on x d as a freelancer, not like rejoining them. Cool. Full-time. I had that question asked a lot <laugh>, but if you just wanna follow me for entered 14 coverage, you know, I, there's a lot of things that I haven't posted about on X D A, just follow me on Twitter for all that content.

Ron Richards (00:30:14):
Right on. All right,

Mishaal Rahman (00:30:15):
Cool. Or Telegram master on whatever. I know I'll, I know Twitter is something still a hot topic these days,

Ron Richards (00:30:22):
Eh? It's still pretty active. I know, but but anyway all right, cool. So, so go follow Mishaal if you want more of the Android 14 developer preview deets. But there was some Android 13 developments that happened today, right? Hu What happened today?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:37):
Yeah, so Google is in the process of taking cookies away. Not the good delicious kind, but actually so goo in thank goodness we're, we would need some in case. But really it's about third party tracking cookies. And they've been, you know, working on kind of killing third party cookies for tracking in web and on and on Chrome. But today they've actually launched a bo a beta of what they deem the Privacy Sandbox, which is a toolkit for basically improving privacy. And I love the, the title of the article, which was Google Launches way for Android apps to track you without tracking you. So Google has been trying very hard to, again, follow the modern environment or the modern zeitgeist of trying to improve <laugh> privacy. And of course, they're never going to, you know, not try to serve you ads and not give advertiser information about you, but they're trying to make it a little bit harder for advertisers to get very specific information about you.

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So they did have like an initiative last year, which, you know, they had this thing called the, oh, I gotta look this up because this is not a very interesting or very easy to re name, but the federated learning of cohorts tracking mechanism. So yeah, they were trying to replace third party cookies with this F L O C thing, which they got kind of slammed for because it, it, it actually allowed advertisers to find out even more information about you, like I think even your IP address and things like that. So they've really tried to, you know, respond to the feedback and also paint themselves as a non, you know, a non anti-competitive player in the market. And again, abide by kind of consumer welfare. And they just released beta at this privacy sandbox, which is basically a toolkit with several components. Some of it has to do with things like sdk, SDK runtime, basically as developers, we often kind of use other kind of software toolkits to add things like say, well add sense, which is very relevant in this, but things like maybe like if you're using Stripe, you know, you have, they have an SDK that allows you to take payments to the app.

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So there's all these kind of like third party software that even devs utilize and leverage to kind of bring you functionality, but it's, they're also really good vectors for, you know, malicious code and things like that. So part of this sorry, privacy Sandbox is what is what is known as this SDK runtime feature where it basically gets to run in a siloed part of your phone's operating system instead of within apps themselves kind of providing a little bit of like a buffer between you and any nefarious SDKs and kind of more relevant to the story and kind of more relevant to the idea of third party cookies and how, you know, advertiser advertisers try to figure out what kind of ads a serve review, what your habits are. They have like two tools now. There's two APIs that are new that the idea is that Google wants to still give advertisers information about what you like and are interested in for the purposes of, of serving you ads, but to not re to reveal as little specific information about you as possible and to not share that information about external part parties.

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So your phone's still paying attention to what you're saying, but the promise of these APIs is that Google will, these APIs will kind of figure out what you like, like, do you like sports? Do you like shoes? Do you like makeup? And rather than kind of being specific about what you do, your activity and what you like more, just kind of generating a, Hey, this person is into this thing. And then communicating that more generalized ish information to advertisers. So there's two APIs. One is topics. This topics are basically categories that can apply to you based on apps that you use. So for example, I have like, you know, a fitness Timer app, and I have like a, a, a weight tracking app. So presumably topics will think Win likes fitness and things like that. And we'll be able to communicate, hey, this user is into fitness, or this kind of like, group of users is into fitness.

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So it's more about based on what an app is and how an app like identifies or categorizes itself, kind of relating those to interests. And then there's another API called Fledge, which is more of a way for an app to kind of tag interactions within, you know, within, within its own like interactions. It's kinda, but it's more like kinda the app saying, Hey, like based on what the app user is doing, here's something that they like. So it's more like the app itself, rather than being a category into it of itself. It's like the app tagging certain things that you do to kind of relate it to ads that you might like. So, and then finally there's attribution reporting, which is basically a system that lets advertisers know how other ads are working which is not that interesting to sound like, but it is kind of like a big deal on, and part of why, you know, publishers and advertisers presumably want your information, they just wanna know like if it's working, is this, is this ad working?

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Is that super, is that Super Bowl ad gonna sell more pixels presumably? So all of this is open for beta today. It's only available for app developers that signed up for the beta, I think back in November. And there is a developed preview still going forward, which will continue to kind of iterate with like, you know new features and things like that. But this is kind of what Google is putting out there as a way to replace third party cookies and tracking and try to, I'm gonna try to again, still provide information about you, but not really specific information about you. So, I mean, it's not a perfect world, right? I know a lot of us would rather just know one, know what we're doing, but you know, for Google that's, you know, for a company just driven by <laugh> buyout revenue, they're trying to kind of maybe close the, you know, maybe fill some holes where privacy might be concerned. So I don't know, does any of this sound interesting? Better world ready to privacy? Say those cookies. Forevers

Ron Richards (00:36:12):
Privacy's always a hot topic. Mishaal, I'm curious what you think.

Mishaal Rahman (00:36:16):
What I find more interesting is actually the mechanism that they're actually delivering these APIs. So if you read the blog post, you'll notice that they said that this is available on select Android 13 devices, but if you will recall Android 13, the stable release was back in August of last year, right? August I think. And the platform stability phase was reached like a couple of months before. So that means there sh it shouldn't have been possible for Google to add new APIs to the Android 13 platform. So how did they end up doing that? Well, thanks to a thing you may have heard of called Project Mainline. They're able to actually deliver new APIs to devices through, in Google Play System update. So that's why these Android 13 devices, or these new sorry, these new Privacy Sandbox APIs are only available on select Android 13 devices that have received a recent Google Play system update that brings these new privacy sandbox APIs to them. It's not available on, on all Android 13 devices out of the box. But if you have a recently updated Google Play system update version on your Android 13 device, then these APIs may be available. And of course, there's also the opt-in aspect, as Win said, you have to have a device that's been selected as part of Google's AP test because of course there's an AP test

Huyen Tue Dao (00:37:39):
<Laugh>, right? I I love that point you brought up though, because you know, that Project mainline, I know like when it first got announced, it's, it's a very highly technical thing, and if you try to explain it to someone kind of like just your average person, it, it, it's hard to see like the value of it, especially when it was first announced. But, you know, I, I think, you know, between this and the photo picker and other things that are just able to kind of, you know, we we're able to slot in improvements like large, large scale improvements to the os, it's really fun to see that kind of play out, you know what I'm saying, like a few years later and, you know, part of like the whole fragmentation thing or the part of like, you know, issues with backwards compiled compatibility can be, can be solved in part by this. So I love that you brought that up and yeah, that's really cool point that mainline just keeps on giving and it will continue to give hopefully things like this. So

Ron Richards (00:38:24):
It does. So, and, and a quick note on the, on the Privacy Sandbox initiative on Google is that if you go to privacy sandbox.com, you see their whole kind of break breakdown of it. And this is already, they're already implementing this on the web within Chrome, and now this is just the implementation with Android. So this is like a Google wide kind of initiative thing, and, and applying the same concept, the same product name, the same approach to every platform that they're on, which honestly, knowing what we, you know, after tracking Google for the past, oh geez, almost 15 years now, it's nice to see kind of like a unified approach, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> versus just like, here's the privacy approach on Android and we're doing another thing over here on the web. Like at least they're finally starting to get the left hand on the right hand working together. So, interesting. All right, good. Well, good. Yay for privacy. There you go. All right, well, excellent. So we are going to bid a dude, Mishaal thanks for joining us for the first part of the show. It's always great to have you on.

Mishaal Rahman (00:39:22):
Oh, thanks for having me. I always love talking about Android and of course this being Android the week after Android 14. Perfect time to, to come back onto the show,

Ron Richards (00:39:30):
Perfect time for you, for sure. And then we already tell people where they can find you, follow, follow you on Twitter, et cetera, et cetera. So thanks for joining us, Mishaal. And I'm sure next time you're on, Jason's gonna wanna talk about developer preview more, so I'm sure we're gonna get even deeper into preview two when that comes out. So, but yes, Jason is not with us, so

Mishaal Rahman (00:39:46):
We we magic erased him from from the show. He'll be back though. We'll just hit revert, undo

Ron Richards (00:39:51):
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Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:18):
We, yeah, yeah. Okay. So we got a launch, we got some leaky, so y y'all know, we like foldables on the show, but we tend to have kind of a bit of a small selection. Well that selection actually might widen, at least for some of us, some of the Android faithful because the oppo find N two flip is coming next week and it's a global launch. So we had briefly talked about the oppo find N two and the oppo find N two flip, which are basically, you know, oppo, this Chinese oe I'm going toe to toe, foldable to foldable with Samsung at least in certain markets. Anyway, both of these phones were released in China to start with December last year. So the oppo find N two flip, which is what is going to be globally launched, looks a lot like the Samsung Z flip four, except looking at the exterior screen, which on the Z flip four is, you know, a, a kind of small horizontal oriented oriented external screen is actually portrait oriented on the find N two flip.

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And it's quite a bit bigger. It's actually 3.26 inches tall, which is kind of massive <laugh> for a foldable exterior screen compared to the 1.9 inch tall Z flips screen. And inside, you know, you got things that are very comparable to the flip itself. You've got a 6.8 inch screen which refreshes at 120 hertz and it, it is actually rocking the media tech density 9,000 plus chip set, which I know that I know Jason and myself to some degree admitted to some bias against. But you know, it's a great ship set and that is what the oppo N two flip is rocking and four to 300 milliamp battery, which by the way is, is bigger than the 3,700 milliamp battery of the Z flip. And of course it's using OPOs color OS 13. Now this phone is getting a global launch in the UK on February 15th.

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Not really any word about the US market, unsurprisingly, and because it's so similar to the Z flip four, it even has like some of the same colorways, like this really popular purple one. It'll be really interesting to see, you know, especially maybe in more of like the western market where it can compete, you know, kind of head to head in a more comfortable way with the Samsung folds affordables what the price will be and how, you know, how is it gonna compare the, I think the z I forgot how much the Z flip, I didn't write down in my notes how much the Z flip four was, but it was like 9 99 Z flip. Sorry, not this,

Ron Richards (00:45:44):
It wasn't cheap, that's for sure. Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:46):
It wasn't, it's not cheap. The Z flip four price is, sorry, just looking googleing that real quick.

Ron Richards (00:45:51):
Oh, good. 9 99. Yeah. 9 99, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 5 nines.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:54):
9, 9, 9, 9, 9. So nine, nine nines <laugh>. So <laugh>, so presumably, you know, if the Apple find N two wants to be competitive and go toe-to-toe with Samsung very directly in this kind of foldable space, we'll have to see whether they can price it competitively. But if you are in the UK and you like you foldable, you just got one more option. There is, it's just the oppo, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Ron Richards (00:46:19):
I was gonna say, it's just, it's just another example of foldables, you know, every company's coming up with a foldable, it's like mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, this is, it's taken a few years, but foldables are becoming a, a legit por portion of the marketplace. So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:31):
I, I'm excited. I still, when I go out and I, I kind of pull up my Z fold four people, I, I really think there's something magic to it. And I know a lot of, I, I think it, it's weird because I think there's two ends of spectrums. You, like, you look at it and you're like, that's cute, but a little bit like extra. And there's some people that are genuinely like, oh wow, that is really cool. Like, what phone is that? Like, who makes it well, well Apple make one is a question I get a lot, but I do like, like I totally agree. I I think that there's, we're, I think we're, we're getting over the tipping point. Like there's a tipping point we're kinda leaning over and it, it is just leaning over and there's more and more foldables on the other side.

Ron Richards (00:47:07):
Well, as, and, and I think the other example that, that shows, you know, kind of mainstream of adoption is that, and what it might be, you know, product placement. But I'm seeing foldables on TV shows, you know, like I really, I'm, I'm not, I'm, I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm watching the second season of Gossip Girl and H H B O Max and one of the characters has a Samsung flip as her as her primary phone, so, oh, oh. You know, and, and, and maybe their product placement placed it. I didn't, I didn't see, I didn't check the credit to see if there's any promotional consideration, but like, even if they didn't, and that just shows even further that it's being seen. And it's, that's also a very, you know, kind of fashion forward kind of show with spoiled kids on the upper, upper East side. But you know, but it can be seen as a fashion accessory. So there it is.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:50):
Fascinating. Hey, I ne I, I, I mean, I, I'm gonna try not to be so Debbie Downer on kind of marketing and how companies need to sell phones because obviously Civil's not a bad idea and hey, gossip Girl's not a bad idea either, especially for

Ron Richards (00:48:04):
Something. Well, this I, I, I wish I could say that the, the, the, the, the second season was even worthy of a phone, like a <laugh> like that. Oh dear. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. It's been canceled and I don't, I don't disagree with that decision by their side. Oh my goodness, <laugh>. Alright, well, so, so now we gotta, we got a nice parade of leaks ahead of you for upcoming phones and, you know, and, and I feel like it is, you know, that, that early point in the year where we're, we're starting to see the cycle happen and, you know, and, and new phones get announced or get, get rumored about. And one of 'em, you know, through the years it All About Android here. I know we've, we've covered the Moto G series because that really has been the forerunner of like, the affordable phone, like the budget phone line, you know, in terms of like, if you wanna get someone on Android, but you don't wanna spend a thousand dollars on a crazy flip phone or a a flagship phone or that sort of thing.

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The motor G has always been a solid, solid choice to deliver a phone that's, you know, with an OS experience that's near close to A O S P. And just a solid, solid phone. So we've seen the a couple of leaks of renders of the Moto G Stylist, 2023 and it was actually released by the on Leaks Patreon and someone teamed up with them and, and took that to Twitter to get after the world. And it shows a couple of, of subtle differences between last year's Moto G stylists and, and what could be this year's. And it looks like the glossy back is gone and replaced with a matte material with that kind of, with that texture, with that tacky kind of texture. Whether or not that that makes it seem like a cheaper phone or not versus a a, a glossy back, you know, it's up to you.

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We'll see it when we see it in person, but it definitely did change the design. Furthermore they changed the camera array. So instead of three lenses on it for the Motor G stylist 2023, they're going for two going for two lenses. We've only gotten leaks of the renders. We don't know where the specs of them are. But the the renders, you know, show a 50 megapixel sensor which is the same count found on previous generations, so probably gonna be the same, but going with two lenses as at a three. And then finally the stylists silo or little spot for the stylus is in the same spot on the, on the right bottom of the device. And the, and the front of the display has the punch hole camera still so consistent from previous years. And it looks like they've added the headphone jack on the 2023 model, which is, you know, many will make many people happy to have that courage port. So there it's, so yeah, haha. So yeah, so don't know prices, don't know availability, don't know s specs. We're gonna keep an eye out for it. But the, you know, motor G stylist stepping up to be a, a good budget option on the Android hardware side of things, so,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:49):
All right, well, I got, I got another good budget option for you, and that is from the very popular Samsung Galaxy a series. This is a leaky picky, least a leaky. This is a leaky peaky. This is not a, not a, not a materialized option yet, but of course the Aeries has also been super popular among the mid rangers and there have been some leaks of the upcoming A 54. So there's like, there renders don't show too much that is different. Any kind of obvious changes from the A 53. There are a couple things that when we've got, you know, like speculative specs, speculative specs Hmm, that that didn't, that's a little confusing, but yeah. Spec, there's some speculation about what the specs might be, and it's kind of shrinking a little bit down to a 6.4 screen 120 hertz. What's interesting is that, you know, the Aeries is still using the XOs chip made in-house by Samsung.

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There is a tiny bit more of a ram as an option including both a six and eight gigabyte ram options on the a 54 1 28 slash 2 56 gig by storage, which is expandable with micro micro SD card. The, kinda like the biggest change for the cameras, which still will maintain the kind of the three camera array in the back is that the main sensor is actually going from a 64 megapixel down to a 50. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the, that the camera quality is going down. The new sensor purportedly has, you know, better low light. Was it low? Yeah, low light or I wrote, I wrote Love light because it's Valentine's Day, so I typo love light in the spirit of the love light room. Love light <laugh> it, it inter quarterly has better low light and dynamic range, so you know, that's an option for you.

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And of course as a mid-range, it probably won't have any wireless charging, but it does rock a 5,000 milliamp battery with 25 what charging not so bad. And it will presumably launch with one UI 5.0, which of course is based on Android 13. No pricing, no release date just yet. We're gonna kind of guess around February or March, which is kind of in line with previous releases. And there is a rumor that in Europe, the A 54 might actually be maybe 50 euros more expensive than the A 53, which is kind of odd because the A 53 was cheaper than the A 52. So we're kind of, the price is kind of, you know, doing all, doing a little bit of up and down kind of dip, but still probably gonna be an excellent mid-range option, which we like around here. So keep, yep, we're gonna keep our eyes peeled for the next month or two on the A 54 or for the A 54.

Ron Richards (00:53:17):
Yeah, I, I, the thing is, is that like we talk, we spent so, and we, I I, you know, after doing this so many years, and I feel, you know, sometimes it feels a bit like Groundhogs Day and stuff like that, but we do, we do spend so much time, we do spend so much time talking about the flagships and talking about the foldables and talking about these really, really expensive things. And I've said it every year, you know, around time and said the mid-range and the budget range is so important for Android justice as a sector period, because you, not everyone can afford the thousand dollars phone, you know, and so I'm glad to see that Samsung, you know, is prioritizing Google, prioritize it, moto prioritizes it, like they are, they, I think they're an important part of the, the marketplace. So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:54):
Yeah. Yeah, and I, I forgot to mention that, you know, this phone kind of in the vein of like other, you know, Samsung and other, other manufacturers trying to give you extra support does have four OS updates and five-year security updates. So not only is it, is it a mid-range phone that hopefully will still be quite affordable, but you can keep it for a while. So that is definitely something that we're also seeing and I'm very glad to see that supports there. Cool. So we got one more leaky for you. We got, is it a, yeah, we got one more leaky peeky for you, and that is the next Stony flagship bone, which is the xperia. All right, so this is the XPERIA 1 5 1 V. It's a, it's a Roman numeral, so is it one V or is it one five the stone xperia? Is it

Ron Richards (00:54:36):
What it, I don't know. That's a good question

Huyen Tue Dao (00:54:39):
Because there's a one iv, which is of course one Roman numeral four. So what is it? Is it the four?

Ron Richards (00:54:46):
No, this is the five because it, this is the five cause right? Cause because the previous one the, the previous one was the Sony exterior one iv. So which is the exterior one four. So this is the one V one five. Yeah. So that, that makes more sense.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:54:59):
Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna pronounce it v just for clarity on the audio only dream. But yeah, so if you've been an Experi fan in the past, and I actually work with quite a few Experia fans and you wanna hold onto that courage port and your, you know, of course your headphone port and you like micro ESY storage, well then the Sony Experia one V will definitely be something that you're gonna be excited about. The design seems mostly unchanged from the previous version, the Sony Xperia one IV with, you know, kind of a more box of design, you know, a flat 6.5 inch display, which, I mean, I'm kind of, I'm, I'm, I'm ready for the flat displays to come back, personally speaking. But you will get in this version a triple camera island on the back and in upgrade to a 48 megapixel main sensor. So the, for the previous version of the Xperia, all of the cameras were 12 megapixels, and most of them will continue to be for this next version. But you're gonna get an upgrade for that main sensor to 48 megapixels. There's a fingerprint se sensor embedded in the power button. And this phone will be rocking the Snap Dragon eight, gen two chip and rumoring to have like a whole, a whole lot of ram, like a whole bunch, like 16 gigabytes. Is that right? That's a lot. Wow. That's

Ron Richards (00:56:12):
A lot of, that's a lot of gigabytes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:13):
A lot. That's a lot of gigabytes. So this Leaky Pisa does suggest that there're going, could be announcement at the end of this month, month indicating that there is a summer release for this phone. So if you are an Experia fan you might wanna hold on to your, to your, to your cash for little bit for the, for the Experia one b, soon to be announced. We think. So there you go.

Ron Richards (00:56:37):
Hold it onto that headphones. Headphone headphone jack for sure. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:41):
And micro rusty storage.

Ron Richards (00:56:43):
Yep.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:44):
Kinda. Awesome. All right, we'll

Ron Richards (00:56:44):
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Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:28):
Week, <laugh>, so yeah, it's, it's, it's it's the case of the why is my system stored so big on my Samsung phone part duh. Cause we talked a little bit about it last week and this is kind of like a different angle on it, and it's actually more of a correction or kind of a alleviation of some of Samsung's supposed guilt. So last, or I think this week our technical and Android authority stated that Android 13 and specifically one UI 5.0 and its BLO was taking up 60 gigabytes of storage. And when you compare, you know, 60 gigabytes of, you know, system storage compared to say like pixel sevens partition, which has like 15 gigabytes which shakes up 15 gigabytes, that's kind of crazy sounding, right, because say that you had a 128 gigabyte model of the Galaxy s s 23 and, sorry, my bad, this is specifically for the S 23.

(01:00:21):
The report was that the system storage was 60 gigabytes, so right, you, you could have, like, it sounded like almost half of your storage was taken up by blood wear. Well, so apparently this is actually not the case. After some kind of review and discussion on Twitter, it does seem that this is, it's not actually as bad as it sounds, that it's not BBL wear. So what actually comes into play something very fascinating, and that is conversion losses. So basically ki kilobytes, so it kilobyte is actually 1024 bites, not 1000 bites, even though it's called kilobyte, it really should just be a thousand. But there's an actual extra little 24 bites there. So because of this conversion loss, you know, where, you know, the stated storage and the actual kind of calculated storage by the system because binary and all that kind of stuff, apparently OEMs like to obfuscate this discrepancy in conversion by just assigning this loss to system storage.

(01:01:22):
So it's actually not blood wear, it's, it's more like an ex, it's more like an existential like space. It's, it is like, it's like vapor space where there's like this existential corner of your phone where you, you have to kind of meditate on what a kilobyte actually is. That's where all that's going. So <laugh>, I think this makes it like 7% better, which I mean is still not a little bit of space, but I find it absolutely fascinating that how you count <laugh> and how you count kilobytes was leading to people getting upset. I mean, cuz yeah, it, if half of your systems, if half of your storage, your advertised storage is in the system, yeah, that sucks. But it's absolutely fascinating that because of the way we count, there's an extra 7% of system storage distributed where it, it, it may not actually be, it may not actually be there. So like it's, it's not so much that it's not there, it's just more like the stated re you know, manufacturer amount of storage is a little bit less than actual. And so when look inside of your phone, the real story gets told. This is just, this is just, this is,

Ron Richards (01:02:24):
This is such a only in only in our space would this be a thing, right? Where it's like, right, it comes, you know, where it comes down to like literally like f first off, anybody listening or watching the show who's not aware of how many bites are in a kilobyte and, you know, like, and the the 2 56, 5, 12, 10 24 progression, right? I feel like that's kind of 1 0 1, right? <Laugh>. But it's just the, the fact that this is how the story is ending is, is I think very, very amusing. So <laugh>,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:51):
I, yeah, it, it, it makes, it doesn't make sense, right? Because any kinda other measurement, you know, like a kilometer is a thousand freaking meters. Like that's, it's just cut and dry, right? That's just how the language works. Nah, computer science a little different. We give you 10 24, we give you 26, and y'all figure it out. Like, I, I love it. And now, and it's funny because, you know, you kind of always think, oh, that, that kind of stuff is just weird stuff from college or whatever that just sits in your head. No, it's actually peeping some people off because they noticed and now like consumers who maybe aren't aware of this weird discrepancy, you know, not, and, and now we gotta write, write, and now we gotta talk about articles about it. Kind of awesome, right? Just awesome. Anyway,

Ron Richards (01:03:29):
It's very, very, very funny. So, oh, well <laugh>, well not so fun, not so funny. But also picking up a story that I feel like we talked about on recent e episodes might have been last week or the week before. But remember when, remember we were talking about Google podcasts and Google search results, how the Google Podcast links were disappearing from the search results Yeah. And that sort of thing, right? Well that, that was originally spotted by pod news.net who noted in January that when you search for a podcast, you no longer got any play buttons or links to Google Podcast itself. And at that time Google said the feature is working, quote unquote as intended. But actually there's a new announcement in Google podcast manager that says the feature is officially being shut down as of yesterday, February 13th.

(01:04:15):
Oh. in their update they said, Google search will stop showing podcast carousels by February 13th. As a result, clicks and impressions and how people find your show will drop to zero after that date. The message states <laugh> and podcasters are being, being instructed to download any historical data they want to keep in advance of this final closure. And the thing was, is like, as someone you know, I'm a po obviously I'm a podcaster. I've got several other podcasts, you know, like we, we do this show, but I've got my own shows and stuff like that. Google podcasts has not been a g has not been an impact whatsoever. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> in terms of numbers and things like that. It's, it's, it's primarily been, you know, it's, it's Apple, it's Spotify, it's podcasts mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and we're gonna talk about that a little bit. It's, it's overcast, it's all, all the other, you know, podcast catchers that are out there. Google podcasts rarely even broke into the top 10 of like, download sources for me. So I'm not, I'm not surprised that they're winding this experiment down. It's just a bummer. So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:12):
Yeah, it's just, it, I mean, cuz it's a nice feature, right? And, and you kind of, I, I mean Google does, Google results does so much of this like ni nicely packaging results to kind of like augment or facilitate you interacting with it, whatever it is, you know, like YouTube videos or kind of other things. It's kind of sad, honestly, because podcasting is still a big part of like, most of our internet, internet, you know, media lives and I mean, it makes sense because it's a feature, so it needs maintenance, but yeah, it's, it is a bummer.

Ron Richards (01:05:40):
Yeah. I mean, cause cause there's so much potential for what Google potentially could do with podcast and they're just not doing Yeah. But it, it's not making money. So I, I make sense. I it makes sense. I understand. It's just, it's a bummer. So anyway, all right. All right, well,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:54):
So from features lost to Features Gained, I got a little good news for y for y'all, especially for folks that are rocking the Wear OS three watches, because recently there was a really great feature to lend on your Wear Os and that was basically if you have an L T E Connected Wear OS device, you could actually use term by turn Google Map notification without, you know, having to be connected to your smartphone. So if y'all are running like our dear host Ron, or if you just, you know, kind of like doing any other activity where you don't wanna have to worry about bringing your phone and you still wanna have navigation. If you had an LT connected wear device, you had it, there is, there was one hiccup though, is that because when you put your wrist down, of course the display will turn off and so there goes your turn by turn navigation.

(01:06:37):
So what they have done is actually updated the navigation app on war OS three to have always on display support for turn by turn navigation. So if you're out and you're make taken advantage of that, you know you know, kind of like wear OS three only turn by turn. Now you know, if you know you're running and your risk goes down rather than kind of like, you know, sleep in or just like turn the display off, you'll actually get that always on display with a list of directions. And of course if you are worried about battery life or just privacy, someone look at looking, looking at your wrist and seeing where you're going, you can turn that off. But if you are someone who has already used and enjoyed this turn by turn feature, now you now got a little bit better with the always on display, just making sure that you always have those directions up. So, I don't know, I, I just, this is that kind of like little teeny me little tweak to quality of life that is, I don't know, I just love stuff like this where yeah, takes a good feature and just makes it just a little more usable, a little more accessible. So there you go.

Ron Richards (01:07:36):
Gotta love it. Gotta love it. So cool. All right, so so there's some updates on apps, but after a brief hiatus, our good friend JR Raphael of Android Intelligence is back with a tip for us this week. And we were talking earlier about Samsung about Bloatware and about Samsung <laugh> midrange phones but jr's actually he's focusing on Samsung this week. So those of you Samsung users, you might wanna listen up to this one. So JR take it away.

JR Raphael (01:08:06):
Hey, hey. So this is the week, the week that Samsung's latest and greatest Galaxy gadgets make their way out into the world and into the hands of many an eager Android fan. With that in mind, I thought it'd be fun to take a look at a few cool new gesture based shortcuts. The Samsung snuck into its Android 13 setup, and they'll actually work on any Samsung photo with Android 13 on it. You don't even need the fancy Schmanzy newness necessarily three things in total, and they all revolve around multitasking. Ready? All right, up first with Samsung's version of Android 13, you can swipe up from the bottom of your screen with two fingers to get directly into Android's split screen mode. And that's where you can see two apps on your screen together at the same time. Pretty handy, right? That's split screen function's been kind of out of the way and buried in Android for a long time.

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Now, I don't know about you, but I always find it's mostly out of sight, out of mind for me cause of that. So this really goes a long way in making it feel more like a prominent integrated part of the main interface and something that's never more than a single swipe away. Next, you can swipe your finger down diagonally from the top corner of your screen to shift any app you're using into a floating popup window. Yeah, how about that? It's a slightly different twist on using two apps together at the same time and something that could potentially be useful in certain situations, being able to make it happen so easily anytime. Definitely a nice little touch. Finally, if you go into Samsung's overview area, you know the thing that shows you all your recently used apps, when you swipe up from the bottom of the screen with one finger and then stop, you can find a cool new hidden shortcut for moving any app into that split screen view or that pop-up view right from there, just press and hold your finger onto any app's card in that area, then drop it in the middle of the screen to put it into a pop-up window or drag it to the top or bottom of your screen to zip right into that split screen mode and see it alongside any other app you want.

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Now these are technically all experimental features. All that means though, is that you've gotta go into your phone settings, find and flip one little switch before they'll show up and be available to you before you really even know that they're there and they exist in the first place. And don't worry, it's actually really, really easy to do. Just head into your system settings in Samsung's Android 13 set up, scroll down and tap the line for advanced features, then tap labs and activate the toggles next to swipe for popup view and swipe for split screen. That's it. Pretty cool stuff. And I'm not gonna lie, it's stuff that makes me just a teeny leany little bit jealous <laugh>, that's a longtime pixel user. I'm holding on to hope that maybe Google will take inspiration from this and bring some of the same sort of stuff into Android itself at some point down the line.

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It really just does seem like a super sensible set of additions to the existing Android gesture setup, don't you think? Hey, while we're thinking about shortcuts, just a reminder that I've got a killer Weeklong e-course all about awesome Android shortcuts. It's called the Android Shortcut Super course. Imagine that, and this is jam jampacked with really cool efficiency enhancing tricks for flying around your phone like a pro. It's completely free for you, of course. Just head over to android intel.net/twit and look for the shortcut super course button at the bottom of the page to get started. That site again is androidintel.net/twit. I'll see you there and I'll see you right back here for even more tasty Android treats next week.

Ron Richards (01:11:57):
Well, thank you, JR. It's always good to get a handy tip for Samsung users, but when I always feel like whenever we wrap up one of jr's tips, we need to unpack it because there's a lot going on in this one in addition to the gestures.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:11):
<Laugh>, you mean a shirt or do you

Ron Richards (01:12:13):
It's a great shirt. It's a great shirt. It, it, it looks like it's a, it is his Android. It might be one of his shirts. It looks like his Android intelligence logo. It it is, yeah. On what looks like a, a Hines style can of beans or something sort of thing like that. Very cool shirt. And also I also appreciate how all of jr's contextual examples all include past episodes of All About Android or Google searches for Jason or me or anybody else on the show. So yeah, it's, it's kind of freaky, but

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:42):
Yeah. I've, sorry, I think, I think, I think PAC Northwest noted you know, is a nice way to get you and that video of you trying Google Glass. And I have to say, like for some reason every like 10 days you YouTube is like, Hey, you wanna watch this episode of All About Android? And it's always the one where you're trying Google Glass. So it's always like that thumbnail. It just, I think it's just like a classic episode.

Ron Richards (01:13:03):
It's part of my Android legacy. I'm quite, I'm quite I'm quite proud of it. And I will say the, the, the the livestream chat room is, is popping during jr's things cuz not only did Pack n w point out, you know, focusing me on, on that Google Glass, but hats off the Scooter X for saying he heard that JR was not on last week because he ran out of t-shirts, which is very funny. <Laugh>. So good stuff. Well, thank you JR. You, you keep us informed, we appreciate it. We love your wardrobe. Good stuff. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So with that of next, we're gonna hear from you the Android community with your feedback. And every week, every day you can write to us at AAA twit do TV or call us at three four seven show aa. And we do say, you can send in video messages or voice messages, and I'm really excited this week one of you took us up on that. But first, when you got the first email, which is just a fashioned written prose email, but still it's been take it, take it away.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:59):
Yes, yes, yes. So a few years back, oh, sorry. So this my bad. Mm. So this is from, oh dear my bad. If I mispronounce your name, LA Loci Loren Loren Roman, I really apologize. And you can send me either a written email or a voicemail correcting my pronunciation if, if I just got it totally wronged. But Lore Loren writes us saying, A few years back, Florence Ion recommended a podcast app that had a simple interface pod kicker, but I had already been using it since my first Android phone, the Galaxy s3. I loved it because it had a very simple interface, no ads, no recommendations, didn't even have variable speed playback when I first started using it, paid for the pro versions as soon as I could. This week it started to show a couple of sponsored, not suggested or recommended podcasts in the main tab of the pro version of the app, with no way to remove them, just an option to subscribe.

(01:15:02):
I dug very superficially and an ad entity called Maple Media seems to have acquired the app from original developer and seemed to be serving ads in the Pro version two. I hate it. Now, I totally understand. Can you or a listener recommend an alternative app that has a similarly simple interface, it has to be a single purchase and not have ads, recommendations, et cetera. If it has a dark black theme, that would be a bonus, but not a deal breaker. Thanks Lauren Shoe Roman, and I'm again, really sorry if I'm mispronounced your name. Yeah. Anna know Ron, you're, you're, I think you're definitely the stronger podcast, podcast listener between the two of us. Do you have an idea?

Ron Richards (01:15:41):
I mean, yeah, I, I, I, it's, it's, if you're watching the video show now, you can see what Burke just pulled up. And a hundred percent it's podcasts. Podcasts is the only podcast app for Android, as far as I'm concerned. It is as close to ubiquity for Android as Apple Podcast is for Apple. It's what I use. And the great thing is, is that it has a dark mode, which is great. It's got that there mm-hmm. <Affirmative> there are no ads in it. I do pay for the, for the extroversion or whatever, but I've never seen an ad in the app ever. But the way the app is set up and organized is that you can subscribe to your, you, you do use the discover section to go search for podcasts and subscribe to 'em. But once you subscribe to all your podcasts, the listen tab is where you kind of, you, you, you know, I'm, I'm pulling it up on my phone right now, make sure I'm using the right vernacular here.

(01:16:28):
But yeah, the podcast tab, which is the first tab on the lower left of the, of the nav is just all your podcasts that you subscribe to. You, if you tap discover, that's where they show you what's trending or what's they're recom recommending or, you know, their kind of curation. But you never need to go look at that ever. You do need to go there to go search for a podcast to go subscribe to it, but once you hit subscribe, you can stay on that podcast tab and never see anything else and keep it completely contained in your experience. And it's got great little other little functionality tweaks, like you can ch you know, increase the playback speed, which some people love. I don't, I I, I go crazy when I try to listen on podcasts at 1.5 speed. It's like chipmunks in my head, but people like <laugh>.

(01:17:10):
 But one thing I do utilize is that they have the ability to via software boost the volume of the podcasts because a lot of pod podcasts are amateur made or not by people who are as tight as audio kind of professionals, as, as others might be. And there's some podcasts I listen to with the audio levels lower and I'm on the subway in New York and I need a little boost. I just tap that, it makes it louder so I can hear it a little better over the noise of the subway. So I think Pocket Cast is the bees knees and, and Loren too, I think you, you would it, it will solve a lot of the problems that you're laying out here in your email. So,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:42):
Yeah. And just for extra flavor my husband and I both use Pocket casts. I pay for premium. He does not, and he does not get ads. And I mean, even, I mean, it's up to you. I know you said single purchase. I believe I looked at pod kicker. It, it's kind of a rarity in the app store where it is a single purchase, it's $35. So it's kind of hard these days to find an app that isn't ads that, that isn't ad supported and that is single, single kind of single price, just cuz I think it's, you know, it's, it's kind of a hard model to, to, it, it, it's just not a popular model right now. But my husband's super happy without premium on podcasts. And I mean, even the premium version I think is just nice at ease. It's, it's kind of impressive. I, I kind of just looked at the other, you know, top pod podcasting apps in the App Store 4.0

Ron Richards (01:18:27):
Rating.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:28):
Yeah, four point rating and most of the other popular ones are as supported. So you're gonna get your banner ads, I think, or something like that, you know, so it's, you know, yeah, just, just ignore that discover tab, just pretend it ain't there. And that's, that's what I use too, so yeah,

Ron Richards (01:18:44):
It works. So mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Cool. All right, well for our next listener email, it's actually a voicemail. This is from Mike from California. So Burke roll the voicemail.

Mike from California (01:19:00):
Hello AAA crew. I wanted to ask your opinion, when will we see the first Android phones with satellite connectivity and who will that be from? I made up my mind that my next phone has to have satellites with the amount of time that I spend off the grid, which is not quite enough for a dedicated device like a garment inReach, but enough that I want to have that safety net available. Thanks. And this is Mike from Camarillo, California, longtime fan of the show.

Ron Richards (01:19:31):
All right, Mike, great question. For those who keep in track apple did announce that there would be iPhone with satellite support in late 2022. That's when they announced it actually in September, 2022, they announced that the satellite feature for the iPhone 14. So I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball. I can't predict when or who the first SA Android satellite phone will, will, will be, or will come from. But there was an article in earlier this year in January up on the b bbc that spotlighted a partnership between Iridium the phone firm, which is, makes the original satellite phone and Qualcomm to bring satellite connectivity to Android smartphones later this year. So we'll see what comes from this partnership between Iridium and Qualcomm. And we'll see who will be the first manufacturer to utilize satellite phones. I mean, when, I don't know, have you heard anything about Android satellite phones yet, or?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:27):
Mm, not personally, but to be honest I'm not paying as much attention as I could be, but it is kind of fun to see like the tit for tat there and see how we can, how we might, how the satellite support kind of ends up on Androids. So exciting stuff. Yeah, very exciting. Yeah,

Ron Richards (01:20:42):
Very cool. Very exciting. So yeah, so you can call in, you can, this guy Mike, he just attached a a, a wave file of his, of his audio. So you could do that on your own emails when you want to. It's, it'd be totally fine. But I'm excited to say that for this week's email of the week, I put out the call on Twitter saying if you wanna be the email of the week it could be you. And we did have a lucky winner. So when Take it away.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:21:05):
Absolutely. And the email of the week is from a very spirited nerd. I forgot that we were doing the fanfare. I heard it and then my brain was just like, we done with that. So yes, so the email of the week, <laugh>

Ron Richards (01:21:20):
Never gets old. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:21:21):
Never gets old. It never gets old. It's from a spirited nerd and actually a friend. Too many, too many a a twitch person on the interwebs. And that is Mr. Lincoln c Chenery the third. Good to see you, sir. Thank you for the question. And he writes us to ask dear your AAA team. First, I am a longtime fan. I go back to Android Arena days, good times. I also met Ron once at the n y or at the N NY ComicCon years ago. He gave me some great recomme recommendations on weird west comic books. Any wellness? Eh, my question is a simple one with a complicated answer. Is there any way I can update the software on my fossil smartwatch? It's gen one and I'd like to try to get it up and running. I made an attempt a few years ago with no joy. I was hoping the AAA team queue brick to play the AAM theme.

Ron Richards (01:22:12):
<Laugh>, we don't have that. We

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:14):
Can't do, we don't have that. All right, my bad. Not prepared. Imagine, imagine or some or hum to yourselves. Aww, yeah, that is, that is not, that is not a plan coming together. Burke, I'm, that's not, that's not it. I'm sorry. Anyway, <laugh>, I was hoping the AAA team would have some suggestions. Thank you for all the apps, information and entertainment. 

Ron Richards (01:22:36):
This is a tough one. Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:37):
This is a tough one. So this is, so I don't know, like if anyone else has any ideas, please let us know. Ride in, but yep. And this is a little bit out of my realm of experience and expertise, but as I understand it, like for, for example, if you wanted to try to load, you know, where os three on your false fossil smartwatch gen one, you just can't. It's for example, one where OS three I think requires the snap dragon where 4,100 and above chipset. So there's something about, you know, wear OS and the way that it actually requires certain, you know, kind of firmware different levels of like kind of hardware support that unfortunately probably make it not able to support any of the newer oss. Again, I, I wish I could give you more specific technical detail. This is just do hand waving this, but there's, you know, there's some, something about kind of like the interaction and abstractions of like the hardware to the software that unfortunately not gonna jive.

(01:23:31):
I think for the fossil smartwatch gen one that was like, was that 2015? June 16? That's been around a while ago. That was a while ago ago. Yeah. And I, I think especially with something, especially with smaller devices kind of compatibility and stuff gets a little bit harder because it's a smaller device. I, I presume things are a little bit harder and you gotta kind of optimize. So that also tends to kind of cut you off at different parts of the, you know, smartwatch evolutionary chain. So I, I mean I have tons of devices like that where I just wish I could keep it on longer, but I think especially with things like smartwatches where the hardware and software is a little more specialized, it's a little bit harder. So, but I could be totally wrong and if I am, please someone politely <laugh> send us feed or politely let me know in feedback or offer Mr. Lincoln some better advice. But, you know, for a great question, that definitely got my dev brain working and for being a longtime fan and a friend to all of us at the show Mr. Lincoln Chen the third. That is why you are our email of the week.

Ron Richards (01:24:36):
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Yeah, on the internet you can find me on the internet. I have a website randomly typing.com where you can see some of the more Debbie Life stuff that I'm doing. Talks videos of those talks and codes related to Z talks. If you really wanna see my code, sorry ahead of time. Otherwise you can find me on social media places at Queen CodeMonkey. That's probably gonna be me bird sight, macedon.social, but yeah, right on. Come to find me for android dev stuff.

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So long

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P Chair,

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Chair.

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