All About Android 580, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell, my cohost, Ron Richards, and just the two of us. We don't have a whole lot of news to talk about, but we do have a ton of rumors, really interesting stuff there. We've got a ton of your feedback. In fact, it's like a double double amount of feedback. This episode, a few breaking news bumper breaks for various reasons. That, again, aren't very newsy, but what are you gonna do? But we work with what we got and what we got is a Palooza of rumors and feedback coming up next on All About Android.

Jason Howell (00:01:41):
Hello. Welcome to All About Android episode 580 recorded on Tuesday, May 31st, 2022. Your weekly source for the latest news, hardware, and apps for the Android. Faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

Ron Richards (00:01:52):
And I am Ron Richards. Nice to see you, Jason. Good

Jason Howell (00:01:55):
To see you too. And we have no one else. Nope. Crickets

Ron Richards (00:01:59):
There's no. Is there a cricket sound effect? I think we have a cricket sound

Jason Howell (00:02:01):
Effect. We've gotta have a cricket sound effect. There we

Ron Richards (00:02:04):
Go. There it

Jason Howell (00:02:05):
Is. No Huyen, no Flo, no random guest of the day.

Ron Richards (00:02:11):
No, no, no news to speak of either also. So here we are. Look, it is, it is May. It is May 31st and we're coming out of the Memorial day weekend here in the states. Everybody's everybody, I feel like everybody's still a little hungover from Google IO.

Jason Howell (00:02:26):
I feel like, think that's what it is like when I really kind of look at, and, and even, you know what we do have in here to talk about like, I'm just gonna give you a forewarning. There is no actual news on today's episode at a certain point, it just became like the directive. It was like, all right, let's do this. This episode is all rumor <laugh> because why the heck not? And then all feedback. So we've got like double trouble feedback and a whole bunch of rumor stuff. So when you,

Ron Richards (00:02:55):
When you told me that earlier, I believe my response was rumor palooza!

Jason Howell (00:02:59):
Yeah. So

Ron Richards (00:03:00):
So Android rumor, palooza all avalanches rumors. Yeah. I think we should give rumor equate as we go rumor rumorific, as we go through each rumor, I feel like we should give and I, and I have read them I'm coming. Yeah. But we should, we should, or we should give like a percent like a some sort of rating or grade,

Jason Howell (00:03:17):
Well, confidence rating.

Ron Richards (00:03:19):
Yeah. Confidence or believability of the rumor.

Jason Howell (00:03:20):
How confident are we that this will or will not happen or will happen? I guess we should lock it into one direction. Okay. I like how this is shaping up, but anyways, to find, to put a, a cap on what my point was when I mentioned the rumors is that a lot of this stuff is kind of about, well, at least the first block anyways, entirely is about stuff we heard at Google IO. So it really does. And I feel like this happens every year. There's a little bit of a vacuum after all of that news. And it's also kind of the point in the summer where people aren't, you know, companies aren't releasing a ton of phones right now that that tends to come a little bit later in the summer Samsung's event later in the summer, you know? So we're just kind of in this little lull right now and that's okay. It's alright.

Ron Richards (00:04:09):
It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen every once in a while. It happens. And, and here, we're here to guide you through

Jason Howell (00:04:14):
It. That's right. We're here to calm you down. Don't panic. Just whatever you do. Don't panic. Okay. <laugh> it's gonna be all right. Okay. So without

Ron Richards (00:04:24):
Do we have a rumor bumper?

Jason Howell (00:04:26):
I don't know.

Ron Richards (00:04:28):
Oh, we need a rumor bumper. I think

Jason Howell (00:04:30):
D at some point breaking rumors. It's just news. Okay. No,

Ron Richards (00:04:37):
No. That's breaking rumors.

Jason Howell (00:04:38):
That was, that was

Ron Richards (00:04:40):
Good. That was, that was purely Burke trying to get out of having to do the news bumper.

Jason Howell (00:04:43):
Yeah. But it's not gonna happen because Burke is time for the news. Yeah. I hate

Burke (00:04:55):
To compound this whole lack of news, but it got leaked on EBay this morning.

Jason Howell (00:05:00):
You got leaked on EBay <laugh> yeah, yeah, yeah. Then it got pulled. All right. So this was kind of crazy. This, this happened. I was like, oh, we're definitely talking about this. And for sure, for sure. It's, it's the least, this

Ron Richards (00:05:13):
Isn't even a rumor. This happened, this is

Jason Howell (00:05:14):
Facts. Well, that's true. I guess this is facts. This, this is really facts.

Ron Richards (00:05:17):
Before you read the story, I'm gonna say, I believe a hundred percent in this one.

Jason Howell (00:05:21):
<Laugh> do you, because it could be a pretend true thing. It never stole. It could be, what are we even talking about right now? Let's

Ron Richards (00:05:28):
Talk, let's talk about it for 10 minutes without telling them what it is. Yeah. Let's talking vague general.

Jason Howell (00:05:33):
I'm sorry. Yes. And I'm sure a certain percentage of our, our listeners would unsubscribe at that point. No,

Ron Richards (00:05:38):
No, no. Stay,

Jason Howell (00:05:38):
Please stay. So Google, as we know at Google IO took the lid off of the pixel seven. Basically they got ahead of any of the rumors and said, Hey, here it is. It's got a shiny metallic camera, board bar on back. And they didn't really go into too much detail about it. Other than to acknowledge that it exists, show you a couple of photos of it and give, you know, tech writers everywhere, a hero image for all articles that they write from here until the phone releases basically,

Ron Richards (00:06:09):
And the whole spoiling, the leaks and the, you know, like, Hey, the next phone's coming. Here's what it looks like. And the thus taking the wind out of our sail yeah. For months. Yeah. Right.

Jason Howell (00:06:18):
Or did they, because, or

Ron Richards (00:06:20):
Did they,

Jason Howell (00:06:21):
Apparently that doesn't mean that leaks can't happen cuz it kind of is. Okay. I guess there's a difference between rumors and leaks, but I kind of put them in similar categories an eBay listing for the Pixel seven appeared very briefly on you guessed it, at eBay, a prototype for the standard device. So this wasn't the pro device. This was the standard Pixel 7. And you know this because when you look at the camera bar, you know, it has one less camera and everything like that. Yeah. Also included a wow, what am I looking at? Whoa

Ron Richards (00:06:55):
Who did this?

Burke (00:06:56):
Oh, sorry. That's something that leaked this morning from the news bumper. Sorry.

Jason Howell (00:07:00):
<Laugh>

Ron Richards (00:07:00):
So for our, for our audio, pull that back up for audio listeners there's for some reason, Burke on the video just pulled together a screenshot from eBay where somebody is selling Burke's epic Android news bumper for 1998 <laugh> and it's legit Android news bumper. It looks legitimate. It does. Is this is, this is this to is this to illustrate the fact that someone can put together a, a Photoshopped eBay listing?

Burke (00:07:28):
I don't know what you're talking about

Ron Richards (00:07:30):
Is that commentary on the

Jason Howell (00:07:31):
Story? Yeah. Are you making a point right now? Yeah.

Burke (00:07:33):
You could do. Someone could do that.

Jason Howell (00:07:35):
Yeah. Apparently screenshots are pretty easy to make. Makes

Burke (00:07:38):
Sense. I wasn't trying to make that point

Jason Howell (00:07:40):
Except friend of the show, Mishaal Rahman, actually, you know, I don't know if he discovered it or what, but he tweeted about it early while it was, I think there was still a listing. If you try and go to eBay now and look at the listing, you can only get it on this. Like this listing has ended by the seller page, but if you actually hit that see original listing button next to the title of that listing, you can still see it. It won't, it won't take you there. I think it oh, interesting. Because it just goes by seller. It's possible that you could go to, I'm not sure, but it's possible that you could go to archive wouldn't

Burke (00:08:16):
Or if you're like one of the, if you're like a registered seller or something, maybe, I don't know. I don't, maybe I don't do EBay, so I wouldn't know.

Jason Howell (00:08:23):
Yeah. So, you know,

Burke (00:08:25):
Cause that thing was legit.

Jason Howell (00:08:26):
A part of us has to just kind of go off of some of the articles, although Eric Duckman is sharing a listing. Yeah, yeah. Same thing, Eric. So yeah, you can see that kind of like landing page, but when you try and go in for more detail, it doesn't let you. So what happened here? Well, apparently the person who was, who put it up for for sale did so listed it as a starting bid of $450. But apparently this person it's a prototype of the standard device. Right? So prototype that seller bought it or so he, he or she claims from a wholesaler and they didn't actually know what they were buying. They looked it up later and realized, oh, wait a minute. This is the Pixel 7 <laugh>. And so they put it up. So there's no information right now, as far as why that listing was removed.

Jason Howell (00:09:16):
Did Google get involved and say, you know, and say, Hey, take this down. You can't sell that. Did they find a buyer outside of eBay, which you could do and you could pull down the listing did they decide, Hey, wait, oh, this is hard to find. Maybe I wanna hold onto this for some reason, one thing that I think is curious and, and included a bunch of car, you know, a carousel of a bunch of photos of the device and everything. But if you look at some of the photos that were included, the reflection off of the device is the pixel seven pro taking the picture. So, so apparently that person is like flush with Pixel 7, prototypes of all different kinds. So there you have it, we can't buy it, but you could potentially for a short bit

Ron Richards (00:10:01):
It's it is. I don't know. This whole thing is strange. This whole thing is strange. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:10:05):
Orchestrated by Google. Okay. So how about on this one? Confidence meter? Because, because it probably is the pixel seven. Yeah. Well actually, but it could not be, so maybe we just need to keep locked, walked the idea you think

Ron Richards (00:10:19):
It's real. I do like the, the, the fact that the photos had the reflection of a pixel seven pro taking it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so like, so, so someone had multiple had a pixel seven and a pixel seven pro and we're taking pictures with the pixel seven pro like ly, you can't AR you can't. I mean, I guess you could architect that on Photoshop, but I feel like that would be very hard to re you know what I mean? That that's a very specific detail. Yeah, right?

Jason Howell (00:10:43):
Yeah. Is that the photo that has the really, yeah. I mean, that shows it a little bit. I feel like I saw you turn

Ron Richards (00:10:50):
It right there.

Jason Howell (00:10:52):
Yeah. The bar.

Ron Richards (00:10:53):
Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:10:54):
Enhance, enhance,

Jason Howell (00:10:57):
Enhance, enhance

Burke (00:10:57):
Is an enhance, but you can see the, the,

Ron Richards (00:11:00):
The dots, the whole, the

Burke (00:11:01):
Dots, and then the camera.

Jason Howell (00:11:03):
Okay. So if you go to the bar camera in that carousel or the next image of that carousel

Ron Richards (00:11:07):
For audio listeners, we're looking at these photos.

Jason Howell (00:11:09):
Yeah. We're we're, we're scrutinizing, we're doing all the detective work. That's that's

Ron Richards (00:11:13):
Required. Cause someone has to yeah.

Jason Howell (00:11:15):
Yeah. <laugh> you could call us the Android police, but don't do that because

Ron Richards (00:11:20):
No, no, we're not because we are not, we are

Burke (00:11:22):
Not. Is that this one?

Jason Howell (00:11:24):
No, go to the next one. If there's an, there should be an arrow on that carousel. Okay. Now scroll down.

Ron Richards (00:11:31):
Oh

Burke (00:11:31):
Yeah. That's much better. I see it.

Jason Howell (00:11:33):
Yeah. If you scroll down, you don't

Burke (00:11:34):
Have to.

Ron Richards (00:11:35):
Yeah. Look at that.

Burke (00:11:35):
That's a little bit more distinctive.

Jason Howell (00:11:37):
And you got that

Ron Richards (00:11:38):
In the what's what's also in the reflection. This is a weird, this is like, it looks like it's in a star wars spaceship.

Burke (00:11:44):
It's like an RV or something.

Ron Richards (00:11:46):
<Laugh> yeah. Doesn't it. Or porta potty.

Jason Howell (00:11:47):
I see a power, a power port, a power plug on the side

Ron Richards (00:11:51):
Of the wall. It looks, it looks like it's like in the, on the rebellion blockade runner,

Burke (00:11:54):
What's up at the top there. Like what's going on up there on the roof. I

Jason Howell (00:11:57):
Don't know. I know that, I know that person in the, in the reflection looks like me, but it's not. I promise you. It's definitely not. Okay. Can we cut away from that? That is not me in the reflection of that photo <laugh> okay. Okay. Okay. Let's never look at that again. And everybody don't look at move

Ron Richards (00:12:14):
On things. So, so what, what do you believe this, Jason? Or do you think it's it's Photoshop? Fooly

Jason Howell (00:12:19):
I believe it, yeah. I will. I give this

Ron Richards (00:12:21):
A, so who do think was the seller? Who was the seller? Was it like a man, the manufacturer? Or like, who would be like, how did they, that's

Jason Howell (00:12:29):
A good

Ron Richards (00:12:29):
Question. How this happen?

Jason Howell (00:12:30):
I mean, they say, you know, they say that it was a prototype that they got from a wholesaler. So then that's the question, like, how does a wholesaler have these P devices from? Yeah, I guess so

Ron Richards (00:12:42):
I guess, right. Like did go is, is the pixel seven and off the shelf Shenzen special. They

Burke (00:12:47):
Didn't say that they were working true. I mean, lucky they're working enough to take

Jason Howell (00:12:52):
Photos. Yeah. I was gonna say they were working

Burke (00:12:54):
Or at least the one that's taking the picture.

Jason Howell (00:12:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Supposedly I don't know. It's very weird. This kind of stuff happens every once in a while, but it's also strange that this is happening months ahead of time. Although not really that strange think back to, was it last year when the pixel six was leaked far, far, you know, in the summertime, we're at the beginning of the summertime now. So I guess, I guess it makes sense. I guess it's

Ron Richards (00:13:18):
Possible. When was the pixel six leaked? When was that?

Jason Howell (00:13:21):
Yeah, it was like June or July was my,

Ron Richards (00:13:25):
My sixth. See one in September. Let's see. That's a September one.

Jason Howell (00:13:29):
Yeah. I feel like it was June or July.

Ron Richards (00:13:33):
Let's see, June 20, 21. Now let's watch us go to Google. <Laugh> yeah, I see a lot in September before it was announced. I don't see anything in the summer though. Up

Burke (00:13:44):
Put this little door. I don't know what you mean. This weird, like

Jason Howell (00:13:51):
Popup camera. Oh no,

Burke (00:13:54):
I wish.

Ron Richards (00:13:54):
Is that the that's the SIM

Burke (00:13:55):
Compartment? No, it's it's way too big to be a SIM compartment.

Jason Howell (00:13:58):
Well, no, that isn't necessarily not necessarily

Burke (00:14:01):
Dos up. Literally the

Ron Richards (00:14:03):
Little dot the little, the little circle on the left.

Jason Howell (00:14:05):
No, that doesn't eject report on the right.

Ron Richards (00:14:08):
Oh yeah.

Jason Howell (00:14:09):
It's that's like a microphone. Yeah. Microphone area. Fascinating. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. Anyways, there we go. Maybe it's sealed up for this like prototype model. I'm not sure.

Ron Richards (00:14:20):
I, I can't believe it,

Jason Howell (00:14:21):
But there we go. All right. So we both feel pretty confident that this was the real deal.

Ron Richards (00:14:26):
I feel like that's pretty confident. I'll give that a, a confident score of confident,

Jason Howell (00:14:30):
So, okay. What about this next one, Ron.

Ron Richards (00:14:32):
So this next one, I feel like I, I feel like we need a special category of recycled rumors. Yes. You know, if, if a rumor worked last year, bring it back and do it again this year. Cause I dunno if you, do you remember the pixel ultra rumors from last year? Oh yeah. I remember those you know, those ones that did not come true. Well, don't give up the ghost on this one. Cuz nine to five, Google has confirmed a pixel device with a code name that is as of yet unknown, that's the best kind of code name, the unknown code name. But the, the, the G 10 tag relates to an unknown devices, display spec and for context, the C, C 10 tag was tied to the pixel seven pro display and P 10 tied to the pixel seven display. So the suggestion being that the G 10 is suggest, is pointing to a display of another as yet named or codename device. Right, right, right. It's likely to run the tensor ship, which, which honestly isn't Sur is a surprise cuz why I think everything's gotta run the tensor ship from now on out. And is leading further into pixel phone territory. So if they're gonna do a high end pixel, what else would the pixel ultra have to differentiate it from the pixel pro?

Jason Howell (00:15:39):
Right. So if this is a different display technology, then what is right. Yeah. I don't, I don't know what that means actually like, because I, I would imagine the seven pro would have 120 Hertz display, at least

Ron Richards (00:15:54):
I would assume. Yeah. I would assume.

Jason Howell (00:15:55):
Right. So, so the ultra being better than that. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a good question. Maybe maybe, you know, improved battery life or faster charging spec. I don't know. Pocket now has, has some guesses as well.

Ron Richards (00:16:09):
What else could it have?

Jason Howell (00:16:11):
They have a, yeah. So a better display cameras. I'd be surprised if there was more cameras. Although what about the return of face unlock and the return of solely?

Ron Richards (00:16:21):
No. No.

Jason Howell (00:16:23):
You think that ship is sailed?

Ron Richards (00:16:25):
I think so.

Jason Howell (00:16:26):
I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it has a slide up

Ron Richards (00:16:28):
Camera. Oh, oh. Not, not to, not to, not to criticize our friends over a pocket Ave, but like one of the ones they listed here is bug free software and long term support. Wow. Now I get the long term support thing. Like we want like five years of support, whatever, but the bug free software is just, I feel like that's a little snarky given, you know, the buggy problems that we had with the pixel six and stuff like that. And

Jason Howell (00:16:54):
For

Ron Richards (00:16:54):
All of you, I think every, everyone wants bug, no one wants bugs in their software. Like it's

Jason Howell (00:16:58):
And Google's not gonna promote that either. If you want a regular pixel experience, get these two. But if you want your experience without bugs free, get the ultra. Yeah. Probably not.

Ron Richards (00:17:09):
It's not that way. It's not a bug. It's a feature. Jason

Jason Howell (00:17:11):
It's.

Ron Richards (00:17:13):
So, so what do you think pixel ultra believable. Unbelievable. Hmm.

Jason Howell (00:17:18):
I'm having a hard time believing this one. I'm having a hard time. And from the perspective of, I have a hard time believing that there's going to be this third model that we haven't already heard of in some way, shape or form.

Ron Richards (00:17:31):
Now here's where I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw a curve. Okay. I do think it's believable, but is it the foldable?

Ron Richards (00:17:42):
Why does it have to be the ultra and like a high end type thing? Like we know a foldable is in, in the distance. Okay. That could be considered high end. I mean like, you know, how, how much were Samsung's or Samsung's foldables is all north of $1,500, right?

Jason Howell (00:17:58):
Yeah. Well, how about we, how about how about we jump into the next story then? Because

Ron Richards (00:18:05):
I've rendered you speechless

Jason Howell (00:18:07):
Because this actually, yeah, I'm just, I'm reorganizing things cuz you, you connected some dots that I didn't connect before. So I moved to story. It is speaking of the fold, the pixel in this pixel rumor, avalanche that we are currently in the midst of AKA, the pixel notepad, Google, as you know, did not even mention it during Google IO. And there was, there was some ideas that Google was going to and they of course did not. Yeah. There's a new report by the elect that says that it's being postponed. Once again, the plan was to launch this by the end of 2022, we talked about that on the show in the past sources now saying that it's being delayed till next spring saying that it continues to fail in meeting Google's expectations. So year after year, the pixel fold gets pushed off until the next year, because it's just not good enough. You're not good enough pixel

Ron Richards (00:19:03):
Fold it's it's you gotta, you gotta really wonder when are they, when are they gonna get it? Right. That's the thing. Yeah. And, and like, if this is, if this is true, if this is true, I will commend Google for not wanting to ship a subpar product. Like if it's not to the point where they want it to be, then that's great. So, but I mean, but man, I want this foldable badly. I want this pixel foldable. I'm curious. So do you, do you find that believable? Is this report believable? Jason, what is your competence factor in this rumor?

Jason Howell (00:19:29):
I, I strongly believe that we will not see a pixel fold this year.

Ron Richards (00:19:33):
Wow. Yeah, I don't do you, why do you a more serious question, Jason? Why do you hate foldables?

Jason Howell (00:19:38):
I don't hate foldables I just, I'm just not seeing enough here. Like you

Ron Richards (00:19:43):
Do is right. Thank you.

Jason Howell (00:19:45):
I'm saying I, I will not see it cuz I hate foldables I'm just saying, I just don't think like I, I give credibility to this because, because, and I think what it is is Google has not proven to me that they are quick on the jump for well, for a lot of things in hardware, to be honest. Right. But to go into a category that's still very early, like foldables is still a very experimental category of, of smartphones and not there aren't a whole lot of companies getting it, right? Like not only releasing a product that does well in the foldable space, but also a successful product that people actually want. Samsung's done a great job with that. The others are very like, I, I have the suspicion through all the, you know, months that we've talked about, the different foldables coming out, that they're a pretty small, you know, part of any business' catalog, as far as what they're selling, maybe Samsung is doing it the best out of any of them. And Samsung has a lot of experience. Google has very limited experience bringing a lot of hardware to market, let alone a brand new category. Like foldables, that's still very experimental. So I don't know that I just, I just get a, have the hunch that Google's gonna take longer on getting the fold out. What do you think?

Ron Richards (00:21:08):
I want to believe, but I feel, I wanna believe that the foldable will be out sooner than later and I want, I wanna disprove this rumor, but I, I don't have a, like to stand on. I can't do, I, I got nothing. I got nothing to back that up other than a hope and a dream <laugh> so yeah. So I guess if there's any news about the, about the pixel foldable coming out, I gotta believe it. Cuz it's any rumor is better than silence, right? Yeah. So yeah.

Jason Howell (00:21:31):
So then, okay, so then going back, cuz I'm I'm I wanna note these because often we get to the future and then we go, wait a minute. What did we think? And we try and go back and we can't figure out because we're not gonna spend the time to watch the episode again. So <laugh> so high end ultra pixel phone, you said that you think it will or will not happen?

Ron Richards (00:21:51):
Well I, I was swerving thinking, trying to make it foldable despite this report.

Jason Howell (00:21:55):
So yeah. Okay. So these kind of tie together, do you think?

Ron Richards (00:21:58):
Yeah, I don't think, I don't think the ultra will happen. I don't think it's gonna happen.

Jason Howell (00:22:01):
Not gonna happen. What do you think? And then that's kind of how I felt too. It's not gonna happen not this year, but I, I suppose we'll see. And then the foldable by the end of the year, do you think it's gonna happen?

Ron Richards (00:22:13):
I mean, I can't, I I, no, I don't think it's gonna happen. I want be, so I want to

Jason Howell (00:22:17):
Be wrong about that. We're gonna get you to say it. Yeah, no, this is dancing around it. Ron,

Ron Richards (00:22:22):
Jason, this is like the argument I get into my friends about the Oscars when we do our Oscars pool, because it's like, I have friends who vote for their Oscar picks, bakes on like the movie they liked and me and like another friend they're like, no, it doesn't matter what you liked it. You're guessing what the academy likes. Right, right. Like, oftentimes you're going against the movie you liked because it's how the Academy's gonna vote. So like I want there to be foldable next year, but this year, but I, I mean, I, I, I don't know what is it June? It's June, tomorrow. And October's when it's gonna get announced. We would, we would've seen more substantial rumor dumb going on if we're looking at a fall announcement for this thing. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:23:00):
So yeah, but we have five months out. So I guess anything can change. We could be surprised and then we will eat our socks. All right. You have the next one

Ron Richards (00:23:08):
Speak for yourself, sir. I am not eating my socks.

Jason Howell (00:23:11):
I'll eat brand new socks.

Ron Richards (00:23:13):
See. Yeah, because you know, they're not dirty at them. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. Alright, so this is a rumor following up on discussions we've had on this very show, cuz we've recently talked at length about the potential battery life of the up upcoming pixel watch. And I know Jason, there was, there was discussion of it lasting a week or is it even gonna last a day or three days or whatever it might be? Well, a little, little editorializing here, unsurprisingly a source close to the watch admits that the pixel watch battery will last a day. Yeah. A single day, a single day. Now of course that's what the source is saying. Now this could change for the release. Currently right now the battery capacity is slightly under 300 milli amp. Which is, you know, it's all pretty standard, no non surpris kind of stuff. But also the charging speed would be pretty standard too, around 110 minutes for a full charge compared to zero to 80% in 45 minutes of the apple watch. So

Jason Howell (00:24:17):
Ouch.

Ron Richards (00:24:18):
So Jason, you were, you were particularly harsh and critical of the pixel watch last week if I remember correctly. <Laugh> so, so how do you, how do you grade this rumor? You, this one you gotta be believing, right?

Jason Howell (00:24:30):
I don't, I don't feel, I don't feel critical of the, of the pixel watch. I am. I, I think that the idea that the pixel watch is gonna come out and have days long battery is, is ridiculous. <Laugh> to, to put a single word on it and this well I'll tell you kinda confirms my belief is that it's gonna be just like most other smart watches out right now. It's it has the same battery technology. Same-Ish size of battery. It's doing a lot of the same things. Why would it be any different? I don't think software is software. Optimizations are P are good ways to eek out little bits of, of extra performance here. And there are extra longevity, but they don't make long, you know, broad strokes of longevity differences. It's not gonna last you two days because of software in my opinion, but I can do that.

Ron Richards (00:25:21):
Yeah. It's tough.

Jason Howell (00:25:22):
Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:25:23):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:25:24):
So, so I get my credibility to this. I think this is accurate.

Ron Richards (00:25:28):
Yeah. I feel like it's gotta be accurate too. I don't know anything about battery technology and all that sort of stuff, but I gotta imagine, unless there's a major advancement either with the battery itself and 300 M amp is not a lot or how the OS is managing that battery life in terms of the radios and all the, like the things that are on, you know, that sort of thing. I, to your point, like if they had, if they had cracked it, we would've heard about it at IO.

Jason Howell (00:25:56):
Yeah, totally. And they would've been,

Ron Richards (00:25:58):
They would've been touting that.

Jason Howell (00:25:59):
Yeah. They would've been like, and wait till you experience the battery longevity that we have on the people

Ron Richards (00:26:04):
Watch. Right. You won't believe it stays on for two weeks. Like they would do some bull, you know, BS thing like that. And so, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:26:11):
So we both agree on that one. That sounds pretty spot on.

Ron Richards (00:26:14):
Yeah. This is pretty pretty, pretty easy to, to line up with this one.

Jason Howell (00:26:18):
So, and then this, this last one actually, now that I, now that I look at it, isn't well maybe no, it still is roomy because I don't think they know exactly what it's associated with, but the pixel tablet that's the tablet that isn't even coming until next year, right. Sometime might have universal stylist initiative certification when it launches. Andi is basically a standard for active input by, by like an pen or a stylist Google actually joined in 2018 for their Chromebook efforts. This, if this happens, this would be the first Android device to support USI for stylist input. And would, you know, potentially, I mean, as a result could be the first device to market, but you know, it's a long time between now and when that happens. So maybe other devices will come out to support USI certification as well.

Jason Howell (00:27:16):
So there's that the question that I have about this is how does a stylist fit into like front of the show Michelle Ramon had, had gone on extensively on Twitter and on this show, I believe you talked about it about this upcoming tablet coming from Google, that would be a removable kind of dockable tablet, nest hub sort of thing. So it's like a smart home device that you can remove the tablet and use it as a tablet. How does an Spen fit into that view? That seems, those seem like good question. Like a, I don't know, confusing crossovers.

Ron Richards (00:27:59):
Yeah. And I don't know the answer to that. Yeah, for

Jason Howell (00:28:01):
Sure. You don't, you don't work for Google. You're not on the pixel tablet, tablet, hardware team.

Ron Richards (00:28:06):
I'm I will say I'm shockingly enough. In looking at the speculated or whatever thought, you know, kind of app or, or no, didn't Google show, the tablet

Jason Howell (00:28:16):
They showed

Ron Richards (00:28:17):
They showed it, they showed an image like,

Jason Howell (00:28:20):
Right. Yeah. It's like a, it had

Ron Richards (00:28:20):
Pretty thick be it had a pretty thick BELE if I remember correctly Uhhuh.

Jason Howell (00:28:24):
Yeah. It looks pretty thick. Yeah, it

Ron Richards (00:28:26):
Does. So if you got a thick bezel, you can slide a pen in there.

Jason Howell (00:28:29):
Okay. All right. You can dock a pen in there.

Ron Richards (00:28:32):
Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:28:33):
Okay. I don't, it just, I Don know, sounds like, yeah. And they only show one side, maybe the pen docks on the other side, that's

Ron Richards (00:28:40):
A pretty thick, but look how thick that look how thick that BELE is really look at that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, think

Jason Howell (00:28:46):
Supposed it's kinda hard to know, but it looks

Ron Richards (00:28:48):
Like I I'm gonna back this rumor. Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say yes to this one. It's happening.

Jason Howell (00:28:54):
Yeah. I think so, too. What I don't know is whether the pixel tablet really is going to be the nest removable tablet thing. There's

Ron Richards (00:29:03):
Just, so I dunno if it's gonna be, I dunno if it's gonna be the removable tablet thing, but I think it's gonna have that same look. I definitely think it will.

Jason Howell (00:29:09):
Okay.

Ron Richards (00:29:09):
I think, I think they want, they want unification in their, in the hardware that they're putting out there. And so like that I believe I do believe that, so all

Jason Howell (00:29:18):
Right. Call crazy. So we're, we're pretty unified then we we're unified on all of these rumors, whether we believe them or not. So

Ron Richards (00:29:27):
We've been doing this for a long time. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:29:29):
So,

Ron Richards (00:29:30):
Yeah, I'm not surprised. So

Jason Howell (00:29:32):
<Laugh>, I'm not surprised either. All right. Coming up next. Well, <laugh> actually, we, the, even though that was the news block, it was really the hardware block, but we gotta have some time for the hardware bumper as well. So coming up next it's hardware,

Ron Richards (00:30:50):
Well. And I feel like the differential differentiator here is that the news block was really the rumor block and the hardware block is all. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. This is a little more solid, not as roomy or whatever, but I'm so ex I'm excited. I know. True. I'm so excited that I get to talk about nothing. Yes. which is great because Carl pay gave an interview to of all places, wallpaper magazine. Didn't see that one coming, I guess, with the design aspect of yeah, I think, yeah. I think that's part of it. Yeah. But so he's he confirmed a little more details of the nothing phone one and for our audio listeners, I'm making parentheses around my head. As I say the word one, I still don't know what I want to hear Carl pay refer. Is it the phone one?

Ron Richards (00:31:31):
Like what, like, how do you say this out loud? But confirmed that it would have a transparent backplate design along with a recycled aluminum frame, a wireless charging coil on the back that will look neat through that transparent black backplate <laugh>. So those are all facts. Those are not rumors cuz those came outta Carl pays mouth, but a different leak from all around PC pegs, the new phone to be released in July. And it set the launch around 500 euros, which translates to $536. And just for quick comparison, the pixel six is it costs around $600. So it's gonna be, you know, slightly less than the pixel six. But yeah, I mean you, you got, you got Carl pay on record with wallpaper magazine talking about the charging coil and the transparent back. That should be pretty cool. So, mm this reminds me of when do you remember when Nintendo came out with a transparent game boy?

Jason Howell (00:32:29):
Oh, I vaguely remember that. Yes. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:32:31):
Yes. I feel this is more a flows alley than anything, but like, yeah. I, I don't know. I, I think the novelty of transparent with electronics is a little dated, but that's just me maybe, but yeah,

Jason Howell (00:32:41):
Maybe, maybe it's a classic look. I mean, you know, the look of techno the technology that's inside of the cases that we use, like that, that will always be the technology that's in there. It's, you know, it's always gonna have that kind of look to it. So maybe it's an old classic look that never dies. I forgot about the transparent game boy. That's a really perfect kind of comparison trends are cool looking.

Ron Richards (00:33:06):
Yeah. I mean, I guess it's neat to see what's inside of it. Right. You know? Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:33:10):
Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:33:10):
Totally. I'm waiting for the day where we get a phone made out of transparent aluminum as made popular in star Trek four.

Jason Howell (00:33:17):
Yeah. Keep waiting on, on that. So yeah.

Ron Richards (00:33:19):
Yeah. let's not forget, let's not forget. The iMac was the original iMac was transparent plastic, you could see inside

Jason Howell (00:33:26):
Of it. That's true. Okay. Right. Lending more credence to your, your dated.

Ron Richards (00:33:31):
You know what other, yeah. Yeah. Nineties concept here. Maybe, maybe the, the nothing phone. One is gonna be like a real, like kind of retro play.

Jason Howell (00:33:40):
Yeah. Nineties throwback

Ron Richards (00:33:42):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> what other transparent electronics were there?

Jason Howell (00:33:47):
I don't remember, but I do remember that the one plus was it the, which was the one plus that came out in the last couple of years that had that, that like, was it an infrared camera or something that when you shot, when you actually shot certain plastic pieces of technology, it would see through the plastic and let you see the technology underneath.

Ron Richards (00:34:08):
Oh, that's pretty cool.

Jason Howell (00:34:09):
Kind of have that aesthetic.

Ron Richards (00:34:11):
I will say I, I, I will, I will admit that I just searched for transparent electronics, nineties and oh, and now recall there being transparent phones. Do you remember the phone that, that that was like all nineties kind of style and it was a transparent phone, but also there was a transparent, transparent Nintendo 64. Oh,

Jason Howell (00:34:33):
That's right. Yes. Right. Yes. Right. Tomagotchi

Ron Richards (00:34:37):
Tomagotchi yep. Yep. There was a PDA.

Jason Howell (00:34:40):
There was,

Ron Richards (00:34:42):
Was transparent.

Burke (00:34:44):
God, I can't. I had one even.

Ron Richards (00:34:45):
Oh, the trio, the trio.

Burke (00:34:47):
No it, before that,

Ron Richards (00:34:48):
The,

Burke (00:34:49):
It wasn't the not Palm. The other one. What was the,

Ron Richards (00:34:53):
It was no, I'm looking, I'm looking at right now. It was, it was a Palm three E was transparent. Oh no. The hams springing. Yes. The hams springing that's it. And I had one of those too people who left Palm went to start hams springing, and then Palm bought hams springing. Right. Or trio bought hams springing. I forget. But I had a hand springing. Yes. I remember that,

Jason Howell (00:35:09):
Man. I totally completely forgot that the nineties had a whole transparent electronics thing going. Yep. Now that I'm,

Burke (00:35:16):
It was also like a neon, like bulb going through the, around the air to the base of the phone.

Ron Richards (00:35:22):
Everything old is new. I also had a transparent beeper.

Jason Howell (00:35:27):
Okay. Okay. The days of the beepers that's

Ron Richards (00:35:30):
Right. The beeper. Yep.

Ron Richards (00:35:32):
So you didn't wanna get a 9 1, 1 text from your girlfriend that maybe drop everything and go, yeah. Right. That's not a baby.

Jason Howell (00:35:37):
That's okay. I'm on my way. I'm here to save the day. Yeah. It's a total nineties throwback. I mean, Hey. Yeah. That is kind of like now, now is very nice

Ron Richards (00:35:48):
Back. Yeah. It is very, yeah. So, so let's start, let's start the rumor that the nothing phone is gonna be a total retro play

Jason Howell (00:35:55):
<Laugh> it could end up being a retro play whether they wanted it to be or not. That could be the story. Once it finally comes out. I'm curious to see what a smartphone looks like like that, because I feel like the only other time that we've seen something similar to that, it was, it was fake transparency. What, what was the phone? Was it also a OnePlus phone that came out that had the like,

Ron Richards (00:36:17):
Or was it like the back of it was when you transferred,

Jason Howell (00:36:20):
But it wasn't actually transparent. It was,

Ron Richards (00:36:23):
It

Jason Howell (00:36:23):
Was like fake transparency.

Ron Richards (00:36:25):
How do you even look that up?

Jason Howell (00:36:27):
I don't even know. I don't

Ron Richards (00:36:29):
Even know one plus transparent cover. There it is. No, that's not. It that's just a cover. That's transparent. Yeah. Right. No, but there was a phone where it had like, this is what the phone looks it's like on the inside. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:36:39):
Right.

Ron Richards (00:36:40):
Yeah. Yeah. Right. I can't remember if it

Jason Howell (00:36:42):
Was, we talked too many or if it was Motorola,

Ron Richards (00:36:44):
I don't think it was one plus I think it was some, I think it was somebody else.

Jason Howell (00:36:47):
Yeah. Could be, oh man. No clue, but nothing could carve out its niche, niche, whatever you wanna say there.

Ron Richards (00:36:58):
Which one was that? Somebody in the chest gotta know that, oh man, that's gonna drive me crazy. Now we definitely talked about that. Where they had the, how the phone looked on the back of it. Yeah. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> man.

Jason Howell (00:37:10):
And I think even at the time we were like, oh, this would be really cool if they actually did this. Cuz because my, my understanding is that it wasn't true transparency that like they were faking it somehow.

Ron Richards (00:37:20):
Yeah. It was. I remember. And it was farther back I think. And it was just like the, it was just like a sticker

Jason Howell (00:37:25):
Sort case.

Ron Richards (00:37:27):
It was totally back of the phone. I, I I'm really hoping I blew a gasket on some sort of Google server somewhere. Cause I just wrote Android phone with inside on back

Jason Howell (00:37:36):
<Laugh> and Google's like, okay, we we're gonna need all the AI.

Ron Richards (00:37:40):
We're gonna figure this out. We're Sergey's beeper just went off and he is like, oh, we have a new thing to figure out.

Jason Howell (00:37:45):
Oh wow. This person

Ron Richards (00:37:46):
Mean,

Jason Howell (00:37:46):
This is, this is a query that's literally never been done before. <Laugh> okay. <Laugh> everybody get on the case.

Ron Richards (00:37:54):
Love it.

Jason Howell (00:37:55):
Salted for this guy wrong. So

Jason Howell (00:37:58):
<Laugh> alright, well while everybody looks for that, cuz there is definitely an answer there, but we aren't finding it. Rumor in Samsung land, see we're covering all the, all the bases today. Summer, as I said earlier, is Samsung's big foldable release time later this summer, we're probably gonna get some of its of Samsung's latest foldable updates. And you can imagine and expect that the Z fold will be part of that avalanche. And that is true ice universe on Twitter spilled all the beans about the Z fold for and kinda looking at the specs. It kind of seems like it's a minor spec bump from the Z fold three. It's not nothing groundbreaking or major as far as that's concerned. Except you know, so it will have the snap drug and dragon eight plus gen one. So it's gonna have the, the most up to date processor, assuming it, it remains the most up to date processor, 12 gigs Ram 256, 5 12 gigs storage, which I think for this phone is kind of standard at this point.

Jason Howell (00:39:04):
But I think the interesting thing here is that the camera system is looking to take a step up and actually on these foldables up until now, the camera system has been kind of the step down. It's kind of like been everything else is flagship, except for the cameras. If you want the best cameras, get the flagship galaxy S series or whatever the, the ultra, whatever it may be. But apparently these cameras are gonna be stepping up to match. At least some of the flagship cameras offered on the standard devices that Samsung releases. So you get foldable and you don't have to sacrifice on your camera. Even though the cameras I felt were, were pretty good, but they, but they aren't the same. They're definitely same. Well

Ron Richards (00:39:49):
That, well, that's the thing. I'm glad to see them going in this direction, cuz you really do kind of want to have parody between the foldable. You don't want the fold. You don't want the foldables to be less than basically. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. And so like anything, anything that comes up as less than, you know, like how you can eliminate that and give it, you know, equal kind of parts to the, to the flagships. Right? Yeah. And so that, that's nice to hear. So

Jason Howell (00:40:09):
Yeah. So there you go. You'll get better, better cameras out of it out of the Z fold four, whenever that comes to pass and yeah, I think that's, that's a notable improvement. That's always the thing that, you know, when anyone is testing out these devices and writing about it and reviewing it and everything, that's the easy kind of target is like, yeah, but you're not gonna get as good as good pictures. The internals, the processor might be improved. You're getting flagship performance out of your processor now cuz you weren't even getting that before now you are on those foldables yeah. But you know, the camera was always lagging. So good on Samsung. I I found so

Ron Richards (00:40:47):
It's notable fold foldable.

Jason Howell (00:40:49):
Is that what you're saying? Notable.

Ron Richards (00:40:50):
Foldable, not notable foldable. There it is. That was a nice ring. Great. Wow. Whoa. All right. Well, before we get into the last story of hardware we got some breaking news thanks to the chat.

Jason Howell (00:41:02):
All right.

Ron Richards (00:41:04):
So yeah, we, we asked and they found it.

Jason Howell (00:41:09):
I'm kidding. Quote, they're busy,

Ron Richards (00:41:09):
A quote, a quote cousin or John in the chat room. We fall into a Hornets nest of transparent Android phones. <Laugh> which is true. So I've organized them so far in in chronological order now actually Burke that's the wrong one. Do the, the, the the first link. So in 2017 we had the L G G six. That was a C through phone.

Jason Howell (00:41:32):
Burke is SI so hard right now. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:41:34):
So, so this one, I like

Burke (00:41:38):
How you insert the link above the one after the one that I already loaded.

Ron Richards (00:41:42):
Sorry. It's not listen. I'm I'm not in control of breaking news here. I'm going chronologically.

Jason Howell (00:41:47):
Yeah. It's breaking news. So we got it breaks all the

Ron Richards (00:41:48):
1 20 17, the L G G six with the C through back. And it's a total clear plastic transparent one. So,

Jason Howell (00:41:58):
Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding. There's I don't even remember this one.

Ron Richards (00:42:02):
Right? I don't even

Jason Howell (00:42:04):
Remember the L G G six C through.

Ron Richards (00:42:06):
So then in 2018 we had, and now Burke, you can pull up the one that you had previously pulled up.

Jason Howell (00:42:12):
HTC go. Burke's a little slow today. Oh wait. All right. So there's the LG one.

Ron Richards (00:42:16):
Go back to the L

Burke (00:42:17):
Wait just for the record, bro. I have to reload the doc every time you do anything like that. Oh, really? For me to see it at all to click on.

Ron Richards (00:42:24):
Really? I didn't know that. I'm sorry. I thought I thought Google docs.

Burke (00:42:28):
Now you can make jokes about my incompetence.

Jason Howell (00:42:30):
It's fine. <Laugh>

Ron Richards (00:42:31):
Okay. So we're gonna pull up for our video viewers. You can see the L G G six with its clear, transparent back where you can see all of the guts of the phone there. And that's

Jason Howell (00:42:43):
It's is that next to a that's next to a Samsung clear.

Ron Richards (00:42:46):
It does appear to be next to a Samsung

Jason Howell (00:42:47):
As well.

Ron Richards (00:42:48):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:42:49):
Which is really, I don't even remember hearing about these. I feel like. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the HTC one that we're about to talk about is the one that I

Ron Richards (00:42:56):
Remember. Oh, so yeah. So then in 2018 HTCs, flagship smartphone offered a translucent black back. So it not totally transparent, but translucent where you could kind of see the inside of the top part of the phone. Right. And with the fingerprint sensor and the camera sensor and the flash and stuff like that. Right.

Jason Howell (00:43:17):
Okay. So, all

Ron Richards (00:43:17):
Right, there you go. And then, and then in 2019 JMI YMI released a transparent phone in the upper part of it. And according to this headline with fake parts.

Jason Howell (00:43:31):
Oh, oh, so this was the one. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:43:33):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:43:34):
So this was the one that I remember being,

Ron Richards (00:43:36):
This is the one that was like a sticker covering the actual thing. Yeah. So

Jason Howell (00:43:39):
Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:43:39):
Yeah. yeah.

Jason Howell (00:43:41):
Okay. Wow. Chat room a plus it's not the one I,

Ron Richards (00:43:47):
But yeah. As I said in the chat room to everybody triple jackpot, well done so much trans transparent and also you'll notice that the last one was in 2019 yet another victim of the pandemic transparent backed phones. So I'm glad that nothing is here to bring us back to normalcy. Yeah. So there it

Jason Howell (00:44:06):
Is. Thank you. Nothing for making

Ron Richards (00:44:08):
Supply chain. Yeah. Supply chain, just

Jason Howell (00:44:10):
Blame, blame it for everything <laugh> and you know, our, our worlds are colliding between this breaking news and the nothing story. And this next story, Ron, that you have. Yes.

Ron Richards (00:44:22):
So this is, I I'm I'm I'm a week from all those breaking news. So this is great because we've mentioned HTC from a couple years ago and they're transparent translucent back phone. But we also know that here in the, now in 2022 HCS metaphor, metaverse phone is a phone that everyone is clamoring for. Oh,

Jason Howell (00:44:41):
Everyone.

Ron Richards (00:44:42):
Everyone's so everyone, I mean, it's all everyone's talking about. Yep. It, it marks HCS return to high end devices. But with a metaverse twist somehow it's their first flagship in four years HTC confirmed that it's HTC via it's HTC, Taiwan, Facebook page that it's delayed.

Jason Howell (00:45:01):
There it is. Wow. Wow.

Ron Richards (00:45:03):
It was supposed to launch in April and yet here we are the night before June. And honestly, I didn't even under why didn't we talk about it not coming out. The reason of course, as I just mentioned, supply chain and COVID impacts pandemic yet another victim of the pandemic, the metaverse phone man, and, and all, all seriousness Taiwan is experiencing its worst outbreak of COVID currently. And I, I, I work with some folks in China and stuff like that the past couple of months have been pretty rough for them. So, you know, valid. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:45:32):
Absolutely.

Ron Richards (00:45:33):
So, so all I gotta say is that I know the legions of you out there who have been waiting for an a, an AR metaverse phone. You're gonna have to wait a little longer. So, you know, let's just, it's just a, it's a small thing you need to do. Just wait a little bit longer and HC will deliver the phone of your dreams at some point.

Jason Howell (00:45:52):
So yeah. All of those, all of those lifelong HTC fans who were at the front of the sales line for the blockchain phone that they released a couple of years now want to be at the front of the line for the metaverse phone. How many of these do you think HC actually sells? <Laugh>? I can't imagine HCS unloading tons and tons of blockchain. I don't

Ron Richards (00:46:15):
Know if that's an unloading tons of these, but I feel, yeah. But I feel like there's an audience most likely for it. Yeah. How big that audience is, is TBD.

Jason Howell (00:46:22):
Yeah, for sure. I CBD. So yeah. I feel like there's

Burke (00:46:23):
Just a case on it. That that's the only thing that's different.

Ron Richards (00:46:27):
<Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:46:29):
Yeah. Like what, what is a metaverse phone other than a phone that just does AR like they all do AR to a certain degree. So what, how is the AR you'll have to wait until they release it to find out phone different? I don't understand. This is the problem with rumor episodes. We don't actually know anything. <Laugh> we're just making guesses, but that's okay. Sometimes it's fun to make guesses too. Coming up. We've got, let me tell you, we had so much email that we've got a bunch of it in today's episode, not just the normal amount, but extra that's up next.

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Jason Howell (00:47:36):
A twit TV 3, 4, 7 show AA. Some of these emails are a little long, so I'm giving you a little forewarning. But we did hear from a lot of people about a lot of things. The last couple of weeks, one week we couldn't read them because it was Google IO week busy. And then just this past week, we got a bunch of emails. So we're gonna try and get you a bunch of what you sent in, starting with Joel, who says I've been an Android tablet user since honeycomb days Acer going through the N is seven, the 10, the pixel C Beloved's still not working and cling to the hope that I could find someone to, that can fix her. My latest Android tablet was the Lenovo 10. Can't remember the exact model name. I decided to give that to my brother since I inherited an iPad for my spouse.

Jason Howell (00:48:16):
Since I thought at the time that the app ecosystem was better on Iowa's tablets, cut to Google IO, 2022, Google is apparently taken tablets seriously again with the Google branded tablet being dangled in front of us for 2023, my iPad took a horrifying tumble in my basement's stairs, and I am in the market for a tablet Google's announcement of a tablet has me on the fence to go back full on to the Android ecosystem. If the new Google buds pro with multi-point BT or Bluetooth work is advertised, that would be nice. Here's the skeptical part. Google has to really, really work on developers and quality case. In point, I was using an app to schedule an appointment for grooming my dog in my pixel six pro the app continually crashed after going past a certain date, say for example, far into June or July on a hunch, I went to my iPad downloaded the same app.

Jason Howell (00:49:07):
It loaded in iOS ugly yucky compatibility mode for tablets. That is, it looked like a phone app in my big iPad screen. It worked flawlessly. I know this is probably on the app developer, but the fact that the exact same app worked well the first time on iOS versus continuously failing on Android makes me wonder. I have a feeling that Google has to do more to incentivize app developers to deliver not only on apps that scale and look great on tablets, but that work consistently as well. I hope that they do step up. I don't dislike my iPad, but I would prefer an end to end Android experience. I will remain on the fence and with a really badly broken iPad for at least the remainder of the year. So responsibility falls on developers to which I mean is true, right? Developers. Yeah. Hopefully are spending the time to make their app experiences similar between apps, even though sometimes there's more features over here versus there, but they should at least run as as equally. Dependably, let's say yeah. Between platforms and that, that can be frustrating. Although I will point out like you had the tablet to fall back on someone who didn't have that other tablet would've been able to do anything. So at least you had that, but what do

Ron Richards (00:50:24):
You think, Ron? Yeah, but, but, but I feel, but, and I agree with all your points, but what we saw coming out of IO and all the talk with, with Android 12 L and, and you know, bigger displays and things like that, I feel like Google is laying the groundwork for that support and for that level of, of sophistication with developers. And now the developers, this goes back to the, this is, this is the, I don't wanna say horrible, but the challenging cycle of tablets, which is like, Google is gonna do what they can do, but developers need to do the work. And developers won't do the work unless the users are there. And the users aren't there, unless there's hardware that be there and the hardware's not gonna be there unless Google has the commitment and the developers follow through on their commitment.

Ron Richards (00:51:03):
Like, and it, it just goes through the, you know, you need something to break that kind of cycle and give tablets a new life. And maybe the new tablet, you know, that we just talked about earlier in the show. That's likely gonna have a pen in it now coming out next year, we'll do that, maybe the work with Android 12 L and going into Android 13 and things like that to continue the support of larger displays will do that, but it's gonna come down to the developers being incentivized to prioritize that work. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:51:27):
So, and how does, how does, you know, obviously if, when it was here, we'd ask her, how, how good of a job Google does in providing those incentives for developers? Right. And yeah, I don't, I don't know what the answer is to that, but

Ron Richards (00:51:42):
Like, so, so here's what I think will be revealing is if we see endof the year awards for tablet apps, you know, like things like that, like if we start seeing, you know, like ways to do it, but honestly, like, you know, the Google play store is so is such a mess, right? Yeah. Like, I don't know how they, they, they need to figure out a way to spotlight tablet, apps, and like, get that in the face of customers and users and things like that in a way that they're just not doing, they're not, they aren't market, they're not marketing them to the users. Really. So. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:52:17):
Yeah. And, and what does that mean when they do? Because back in 2013, Google was, was highlighting tablet apps. I just found that article.

Ron Richards (00:52:29):
You know what I, I'm sorry. You mean nine, nine years ago?

Jason Howell (00:52:31):
Yes, totally. Yeah. You know, on its first tablet focused push for, for tablet excellence on, on Android. Yeah. What does it mean? Does it, does it mean, are they featuring it because everybody loves DoorDash or are they featuring it because DoorDash offers, and I don't know if this is true or not, but DoorDash offers an exceptional tablet experience that you don't find other apps doing. You know what, because as a user, if I'm on the play store and it says tab, you know, a tablet section, sometimes it can be difficult knowing exactly what that means. Does that mean that they're supported well, does that mean that like it's unique or that it's not broken or what, at this point? Yeah. Those expectations are pretty low at this point. Let's just say so who knows what Google means when they highlight that? All right. You got the next one.

Ron Richards (00:53:22):
I sure do. And Miguel from Portugal rice in and says, although where OS gets a bad reputation, I've always found it very useful in my day to day life. I thought I would share some examples, hoping that maybe it could, she shed some light on why it could be very nice to use regularly. And point number one, watch stuff of watch stuff. Of course, I wasn't sure what meant by watch, like watch stuff watching watch video. No, but watch stuff. So time date, timer, chrono chronometer and notification triage, right? So that's the easy one. Health basic fitness sleep, track tracking, wake up, alarm travel ETA. I get a lot of traffic in my commute. So opening Google maps and seeing this outta glance is very useful on vacation using the phone for maps sometimes raises too much attention. Grocery lists a lot better than using your phone.

Ron Richards (00:54:10):
That's the interesting work multiple time zones. Next next meeting for me, this is the killer feature. Yeah. I'm always moving around at work. And this always has me easily check in when my next meeting is. And then his last point watch face customization. He says there are so many options that you can do whatever you want flow flow. Although I use PJI black for customizing my watch face. Since you said you want acute watch faces, here's a link from facer with watch faces designed by and for women. And it's a, it's a collection from the fem collective on facer. I looked at 'em they're very nice. Very cool. Jason, it's also cool as a meno. Okay. There you go. And, and for me, Ron, it's also great to quickly check what song is playing on your watch. Very nice to use with release radar on Spotify. And when people say, quote, unquote, you can just grab your phone. The same can be said for you can just open your computer. It's all about convenience. And Miguel, those are all great points. Yeah. And those are all as a proud wear OS watch user. I'm glad to hear you defending a piece of hardware that you enjoy and brings not only you know, kind of convenience and pleasure to your life, but also is efficient and helps you at work and that sort of thing. So, cool. Good for you.

Jason Howell (00:55:24):
I mean, the point about work and multiple time zones and everything like that, that would be, that would be the use case that I would probably get a lot out of with wearables if I didn't just like live five minutes from work and you know what I mean? Like right. If I was actually traveling for work and, and flying around and going to multiple different time zones and everything. Yeah. That would be incredibly useful to be able to look down and have it always synced to the right time zone. And tell me that a meeting is coming up, even though I'm in a different time zone and those times get all, you know, wacky when you're traveling and everything.

Ron Richards (00:55:58):
That's really nice. I would

Jason Howell (00:56:00):
A little use for that right now.

Ron Richards (00:56:02):
<Laugh> I would just like to leave the house more than once a week. Yeah. I mean, right. It, this way,

Jason Howell (00:56:07):
Set that bar low. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:56:09):
I feel like me, I feel like Ron 10 years ago in San Francisco living by himself and like yeah. And like all that sort of stuff, but we had much more use cases for the watch for sure. For this latest iteration, this latest chapter of my life. Not as much.

Jason Howell (00:56:22):
Yeah. But yeah, I know that feeling. I have used back in the, you know, back in the earlier days of smart watches, I had used my watch as a as a guitar tuner. I thought that was really handy. Oh, there you go. You know, you could have that dialed up on your watch. And, and if you remember, I don't know how many years ago we used it to, to find the nearest pizza restaurant. You remember that watch app that would point you in the middle.

Ron Richards (00:56:46):
Oh, I do remember that. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:56:47):
Wherever the, I do remember that nearest pizza pizzeria was so, you know, it's got some real good functionality. Sometimes you just have to know what to look for. So there's that. Thank you for writing it. You

Ron Richards (00:56:59):
Just gotta know what to look for. That's all it is. Pizza

Jason Howell (00:57:01):
<Laugh>. If your requirement is pizza, there's an app for that. Claude Stewart wrote in a short email on this one says, hello, I've been watching the discussion of the pocket Lin in the ports. So we're still on the pocket. Lin topic says, I think it was one of my kids that told me 20 years ago to put my phone into my pants pocket top down. So the lint wouldn't end up in the charging port. I've never had a problem with the lint,

Ron Richards (00:57:26):
Which is really funny. He says that because that's how I do until I read this. I was like, that's how I put my phone on my pocket. I always put it top down. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:57:33):
That's how I do it too. And I don't really like, I don't really encounter pocket Lin in my ports, to be honest. I know we've talked lot.

Ron Richards (00:57:40):
I do. I,

Jason Howell (00:57:41):
But it doesn't happen to me, but that's probably the reason why <laugh>

Ron Richards (00:57:45):
I think it

Jason Howell (00:57:45):
Just, you need less

Ron Richards (00:57:47):
Linty pockets.

Jason Howell (00:57:48):
Yeah. Maybe, maybe. Yeah. How much Lin are you carrying around in your pockets these days? Like for real, maybe you just have very linty pockets. Jeans have a lot of Lin

Ron Richards (00:57:58):
Pants too. Oh. I wear jeans every day and I put my phone in top down. I never have a lint problem.

Jason Howell (00:58:04):
There you go. Yeah, there you go. <Laugh> but good. Thank you for sharing that. Very succinct tip Claude. I think you nailed it probably for a lot of people you saved, saved some hassle, you know, don't have to get those port plugs like we were talking about at risk, losing those. There you go. All right. We do have more emails coming up in this mega email section

Ron Richards (00:59:01):
Feedback of ALZA. I love I love when we have this like kind of like a, a break in the action where we get to hear from you, the, the, the Android faithful. That's right. So our next email comes from Joseph, from Jersey, Joey, from Jersey who says on episode 5 79, there was the discussion about the new fire tablet. Last year on prime day, I went and bought the fire tablet 10. It's perfect. Perfect. For what I mostly use it for though, for those that are thinking to purchase one, the Amazon app store, it's not great. <Laugh> some apps are missing. Key features like downloading content for offline view, and most apps are not there after side loading, Google play service. I now get all the apps in there intended features. I enjoy a very nice feature is that I can expand the storage by adding an SD card.

Ron Richards (00:59:43):
It gives you two options when setting it up to use an external SD or act as internal storage. I opted to increase my internal storage. I do use it more as a media consumption device. When I'm catching up on a show like during my lunch break or listen to a podcast when I'm going about my day, some games would start to get sluggish. If I ran them too long, if you like game streaming, Amazon Luna runs more smoothly on my tablet. Gforce now and stadia run. Okay. If you, if you just want a tablet to watch your shows anywhere or read that comic, you rented on hoopla. It's a good tablet. If you wanna play, play casual games, it is decent, not meant for hardcore gaming, unless you are playing Luna. And that's a great kind of practical review of a fire tablet, 10. It reminded me the mention of the external SD card. Jason, do you remember a time on this show when I feel like the same level of passion in the past couple years has been discussed about the headphone Jack port yes. On phone. Yes. Was about like, it was a non-starter if that phone didn't have an SD card for

Jason Howell (01:00:39):
Absolutely. Absolutely. Because back in the day that SD card slot was being used for a lot, like the internal storage, wasn't nearly what it is now. Now, you know, Europe upwards of a, a terabyte potentially. But back then, yeah, if you wanted extra storage, that was, that was the way to get it, cuz it shipped very, very light on storage.

Ron Richards (01:00:59):
Right. And, and so it's neat to see that kind of existing, alive and well in tablets and, and you know, being able to expand your storage that way via Amazon. The whole thing about the Amazon fire tablet though, I feel like the point in the top, in the, in the top of his email is just that the, the Amazon app store is less than right. So like yeah. How many average users know how to side load, Google play services and, and work around it. Right. So yeah. It's not just less than it's vastly in inferior. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean it's super less than

Jason Howell (01:01:30):
Super duper. Yeah. Less than <laugh> I'm trying to pull up the original Motorola droid to see what the internal storage was on that 512 megs of what was it really? Just that 500. Was it 500? Wait minute. Hold on. Yeah. So 512 megs of internal storage. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:01:52):
Wow.

Jason Howell (01:01:52):
So wait a minute. No, no. Okay. Okay. So Wikipedia says memory 256 megs mobile DDR SD Ram storage, 512 megs of flash memory, removable storage, 16 gigs via micro SD card slot. Yeah. Expandable up to 64. So that was really how you were getting any sort of, of wow. I didn't remember it being that low that's crazy

Ron Richards (01:02:18):
Gigs. Yeah. Or megabytes.

Jason Howell (01:02:20):
Well just the internal storage, 512 megs. Hmm. And I, but, but actually now that I think about it, I do remember running outta space on the Motorola droid a lot. You could probably

Ron Richards (01:02:32):
Run apps off the card and yes. And you, it was essential.

Jason Howell (01:02:35):
You could move apps to card and everything. So that was really, I mean, critical, especially considering the amount of like modification and stuff that I was doing with that, with that device. What was your, what was your your first Android phone was the, the G one, right?

Ron Richards (01:02:51):
It was

Jason Howell (01:02:52):
So G one. I'm curious to know what internal storage

Ron Richards (01:02:57):
On specs. Yeah. Let's see. So, okay. Here we go. Oh, this is, this is fantastic.

Jason Howell (01:03:04):
Look crazy. It's

Ron Richards (01:03:05):
Crazy. Here. It is. So memory. So it had a, it had a micro SD card. Internal had 192

Jason Howell (01:03:11):
Megagrams

Ron Richards (01:03:12):
256 mega storage. 8 1 92. That's a 1 92. Yeah. Specific

Jason Howell (01:03:17):
Amount. Yeah. This is from GSM marina, which sometimes they have their data. Sometimes their data is, is kind of wacky, but yeah. Still,

Ron Richards (01:03:25):
No matter, maybe it could be part of its provision that you can't touch. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:03:29):
No matter what that is.

Ron Richards (01:03:31):
Yeah. That

Jason Howell (01:03:32):
Is tiny.

Ron Richards (01:03:34):
Let's see. Yeah, no, it says, it's says Ram 0.2 gig on phone arena. Geez. So that's about 192. That's 192.

Jason Howell (01:03:41):
We've come a long, long way. Holy Mo

Ron Richards (01:03:45):
256, Megan in Ram that that is crazy.

Jason Howell (01:03:48):
Leewood in our discord reminds us that storage was very expensive back then, which is true. Storage is a lot cheaper now than it ever was back then.

Ron Richards (01:03:57):
God man, look at that. When you look at the G one, just the search box and like the, the, that gray tab to pull up the app store. Yeah. Like, oh my God. It was crazy.

Jason Howell (01:04:07):
Oh yeah.

Ron Richards (01:04:09):
It was crazy

Jason Howell (01:04:09):
Big time. Yeah. Difference.

Ron Richards (01:04:11):
Just the thing that, that darn little phone changed my life

Jason Howell (01:04:14):
<Laugh> yes, it did.

Ron Richards (01:04:16):
It really did. There

Jason Howell (01:04:16):
You go. Even though it had no storage, hardly

Ron Richards (01:04:20):
Whatsoever, no storage whatsoever. Yeah. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:04:22):
But we had a way around it. That's that's the point. That's the point that you're making, especially, and now, you know, phones like, like we said, they've got so much storage that like, okay, sure. Having a micro SD card slot, some people might enjoy having their entire music collection on a portable removable piece of media that they can plop between devices very easily. But you know, people are streaming to the cloud. They aren't even storing things on their devices half the time. So is storage is just the needs around it's it's fascinating different now.

Ron Richards (01:04:54):
Yeah. It's like, it's like back then we needed the storage. Yes. Whereas now we don't need the storage and we're drowning in storage. Yes,

Jason Howell (01:05:02):
Exactly.

Ron Richards (01:05:03):
Fascinating.

Jason Howell (01:05:04):
Very good. I love it. Thank you, Joseph. From Jersey, from Jersey for writing in

Jason Howell (01:05:11):
Let's see here, Harry Meyer from Fort Lauderdale wrote in to say on the last show you discussed the new Google watch and the low expectations about battery life. In fact, on this show, we did that too. I just want to point out that there are other choices. My smart watch easily lasts 10 days between charges. It does all the basics that I need very well, including blood oxygen, saturation, measurement heart rate monitoring, step counting, sleep monitoring, app alerts makes and receives calls using your phone and many more. It has a beautiful amyloid, always on display and it is the thinnest and lightest smart watch I've ever seen as a bonus. I think it looks beautiful. This watch does everything I need it to do. It's the amazed fit. GTR two. I've had it for over one year and I love it. I bought another watch a few years ago that had to be charged every day.

Jason Howell (01:06:03):
I just couldn't hack that. And I got rid of it. I get, I get that. This watch isn't for everybody. But every time I recommend it to someone, they dismiss it out of hand. The apple watch is the only choice for them. I just wanted to let you know, you don't have to settle for charging your watch every day and right on. That's a great, that's a great review and a very glowing endorsement of the amazed fit GTR too. And we're looking at photos of it right now. Yeah, it's a, that's a nice looking. Nice looking watch. Gotta say

Ron Richards (01:06:35):
Some more. Yeah, not bad. Yeah. I have a, I have a hard time with the word maze fit.

Jason Howell (01:06:41):
It's amazing.

Ron Richards (01:06:43):
Yeah. But whatever, we can't pick our brands. Right. Well,

Jason Howell (01:06:47):
Well, and it's this at Alexa built in, I wonder is the maze for Amazon? <Laugh> I dunno.

Ron Richards (01:06:54):
I dunno.

Jason Howell (01:06:56):
Emma's fit. Is it actually Emma's fit. Emma's fit GTR two. I don't know. But there you go. So if y'all are looking for a smart watch that does all those things and actually lasts longer and is, and in particular is Harry's favorite smart watch. There you go.

Ron Richards (01:07:15):
Music storage.

Jason Howell (01:07:16):
Yep. What's that waiting for? I was saying it has music storage

Ron Richards (01:07:22):
And playback.

Jason Howell (01:07:23):
Oh, okay. So on. Excuse me. On device. Okay. Wow. Does a lot of things. Cool. Not too bad. All right. Thank you. All right.

Ron Richards (01:07:35):
All right. Well now it is time I put the Clarion call out to the Android community and now we have a response and that response is indeed our email. The week comes from,

Jason Howell (01:07:51):
I just gotta say real quick. We, we put the call out to the Android community and one person wrote <laugh> for it. So it wasn't, it wasn't an overwhelming response. I think that says something about Bixby, but anyways, continue.

Ron Richards (01:08:04):
So Jason Bixby Ja wrote in and he says, damn, my name is in Bixby. I do use Bixby though. It works and sets itself apart as a voice driven tool to operate the phone, there are a lot of uses for BPE, but in my case, I use it to navigate between apps and listen to messages within my unread box on various apps. BPE is also useful for toggling shortcuts on the notification panel. BPE is an enhancement feature by Samsung as a result, it is allowed to operate the phone device itself on a deeper level than Google's voice assistant. Basically the two assistants exist for different things. I'm sure. Well, my, sorry, my phone just lit up saying, how can I help? So Jason says, I'm sure it also provides an enhanced accessibility experience, although I can't speak to that. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:08:53):
Yeah. So, yeah, I think, I think that's kind of primarily the, the benefit of BBY, right? Is that it is, it is of course Samsung's baby it's it's Samsung's voice assistant and Samsung has the ability has the right to give it more capabilities than maybe an assistant inherently has access to. And yeah. So if you're willing to play in that sandbox and learn that syntax and, and everything then yeah, you have the potential to have more control over your device as a result. And that's, that's a pretty big plus.

Ron Richards (01:09:27):
Yeah. So there you go. Loyal Bixby user, his name isn't Bixby. No, but he is using Bixby. It seems happily. So if you also are using Bixby happily, and if your name is Bixby or if you've ever met bill Bixby write in and just in general, write us in. We'd love to hear from you email us@aaatwi.tv. We'd love to hear from you write in about anything, write in about Bixby.

Jason Howell (01:09:55):
Yeah. We wanted to hear more about Bixby. Although I think it's pretty hilarious that we got our own response. Either people didn't care to share their opinion or there really weren't that many people out there, I thought nail it perfectly. It's what you said. There's like one person out

Ron Richards (01:10:08):
There

Jason Howell (01:10:09):
Who, who uses it and thinks

Ron Richards (01:10:10):
Positively Joe of it.

Jason Howell (01:10:12):
Yeah. Yeah. And Bixby is in his name. That's why he used it in the first place. <Laugh> not sure. Thank you, Jason, for being the email of the week. Oh yeah.

Ron Richards (01:10:22):
Well deserved, well

Jason Howell (01:10:23):
Deserved. Yes. Yes, indeed. And with that, we reached the end of this P it's. You know what? This was, this was a Zaza episode because it was rumor PZA and it was PZA feedback PZA yeah. So it's the PAA PZA episode,

Ron Richards (01:10:38):
Zaza

Jason Howell (01:10:39):
Zaza episode hopefully next week, you know, get out there and encourage smartphone manufacturers, technology companies to make some Android news in the coming week. All right. If you can convince them to make some big notable Android news, we'll talk about news and not rumors next week on the show, but sometimes it's fun to talk about the rumors too. It's all, it's always a good time. So thank you for watching and listening. Ron, what do you, what do you wanna leave people with?

Ron Richards (01:11:10):
Well, I heard a rumor. Oh yeah. And I wanna leave them with no, I'm just kidding. <Laugh> go follow me on Twitter and on Instagram at Ron XO. And if you're in a pinball, go check out, score it. We're in the Google play store. You can download the mobile app, keep track of your scores, find places to play pinball and go to Corbit di.io. If you wanna check out the cool hardware we sell, where you can connect your pinball machine to the internet fun times. So yeah.

Jason Howell (01:11:33):
So cool.

Ron Richards (01:11:34):
Fun way to pass the time.

Jason Howell (01:11:35):
Yes, indeed. I wish I had a pinball machine. I

Ron Richards (01:11:38):
Play that. I just got a new one. I just gotta actually you go to my Instagram, go to Burke, go to, go to Instagram, instagram.com/ron XO. My most recent

Jason Howell (01:11:47):
Photo. Anytime you say that, I hear a SI

Ron Richards (01:11:51):
T a Ron G R a M

Jason Howell (01:11:54):
Dot I'm. I'm loading it up here. Here. I'll paste it in chat

Ron Richards (01:11:58):
Burkes. Ron XO, I got you. You might need to refresh the chat. The the the doc Burke. There you go. Oh, wait a minute. That's not it slash Ron. XO, do I need to do it yourself here? I'll give you the direct link. Hang on to the

Jason Howell (01:12:15):
Phone. Is it

Ron Richards (01:12:16):
There you go. It's

Jason Howell (01:12:17):
In the chat because I'm looking so. Oh, I see. But I can't actually clip on any click on scroll down. The images to enlarge them without longing. Scroll

Ron Richards (01:12:27):
Down, scroll down. Oh, they they're hiding the no here, try this. Try this. It's in the chat. It's in the chat. Try this. I'm not in the chat. Okay. I put it in the dock. I put it in the dock too. Refresh the dock, bro. I'm just trying to make Burke get so angry. <Laugh>

Ron Richards (01:12:46):
Yes, but anyway, I got, I got a, I got a brand new machine recently and so I took a great picture of the lineup in the garage.

Jason Howell (01:12:52):
Wow. Look at

Ron Richards (01:12:53):
That. Yeah. So we talked about it in the past, but I've got the guns and roses from the, there it is on the left. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:13:00):
You won't be able to click on it though. Burke it'll it'll ask you to log in, but you

Ron Richards (01:13:04):
Can zoom in on, but you can zoom in on. Okay. Guns and roses is there on the right on the left is Raven and in the middle is the new baby which is cactus canyon. It's not the original cactus canyon. It's a remake. Basically cactus canyon was a pit mall machine from the late nineties that had a lit was the last one that B midway made. So it had a limited run. So right now I think they they're very expensive. They're like, if you found one, it's like 20 grand. But a company, Chicago, Chicago gaming company got the license and is making new versions, new versions of it. And so I, I got one of the new ones and very excited. Nice.

Jason Howell (01:13:39):
And yeah. And if you get the new version of, of it, the remake, I mean, is it pretty true to the original? It's just, it doesn't carry the same value, but it's the same thing.

Ron Richards (01:13:50):
Well, yeah, it didn't carry the same value cuz it's like, yeah, cuz it's like a it's it's yeah. It's not as scarce as the original, but actually the original because the company went out of business, they never finished the game code. So there was stuff on the play field that just didn't do anything. And so for this release, they got one of the best designers in pinball history who unfortunately passed away this year. But to, to finish the code. So the last project he worked on before he passed away was finishing this code. So now the game is more complete. So which probably breaks less too. Right? Maybe. Yeah, cuz it's newer. Yeah. I mean that, I mean like physically, potentially. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's gotten newer parts and all that sort of stuff. They all, they all break though. Cuz they're they're it's physical and

Jason Howell (01:14:29):
Eventually

Ron Richards (01:14:29):
Rubber band snap and plastic break and stuff like that. You're basically you're you're you're you're shooting a metal ball on high velocity, plastic, plastic and rubber, rubber, rubber, rubber. Yeah. Things are, things are gonna break.

Jason Howell (01:14:41):
Yeah. No kidding. No kidding. That's so cool. How cool that you just go out to your garage and play pinball. That's

Ron Richards (01:14:48):
Pretty. It's fine. We gotta do that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, after we wrap up, I'm gonna go do the recycling and play a couple games at pinball.

Jason Howell (01:14:53):
<Laugh> right on. Cool. And do you have do you have your hardware that is hard to make hooked? Yeah,

Ron Richards (01:15:02):
It's it, it's in guns. It's in guns and roses. We're working with the company at this cactus canyon to get it, to work in that. And Raven is an older, it's an eighties one it's a, a the, this, the chip that it's in there, we're working on. We're actually working on the firmware right now to support it. So yeah. Nice. We'll get there. So I've got one of three, but the goal is to get all three in there, right on.

Jason Howell (01:15:23):
Yeah. How cool. Awesome. Sometimes we'll have fun taking out the trash and then also playing pinball

Ron Richards (01:15:29):
Recycling night. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:15:30):
I will. <Laugh> thank you, Ron. Thank you, Jason. Thank you Burke for keeping up with all of the on the fly request of you this evening, you mean

Ron Richards (01:15:42):
Failing on that.

Jason Howell (01:15:43):
You've been doing a great job Burke don't you don't need to do the, the buzzer. You don't deserve the buzzer. I get a special seat for this show because I hear even when Burke's Mike is off all the times that he has a deep sigh related to sort

Ron Richards (01:15:59):
Cursing it running.

Jason Howell (01:16:00):
I hear him over the corner,

Ron Richards (01:16:02):
Rowing the wrench and what,

Jason Howell (01:16:04):
What lots of that. So thank you Burke. Also, thank you, Victor, behind the scenes editing the show. He's the one that brings you this podcast in podcast form you know, cleans it up if there's anything to be cleaned up and publishes it out for you. So that's okay tonight. Yeah, maybe a little bit, but anyways, thank you for all of your hard work all the time. Victor appreciate you. And you can find me on Twitter at Jason Howell. Normally tech news weekly on Thursdays with Mica Sergeant Twitter, TV slash TNW. I won't be on this week because Memorial day fell on a Monday and I have to take a day off. So I'm taking Thursday off. It's the only day that made sense this time around. But you should definitely check it out. Cuz mic has already got some really interesting interviews lined up.

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Jason Howell (01:17:47):
Love you Burke. <Laugh>

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