All About Android 579, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android, It's me, Jason Howell, my co-hosts Huyen Tue Dao, and Ron Richards, we got a lot to talk about. We usually do, starting with free G suite. If you have the G suite legacy accounts, it turns out Google's gonna do you a solid and you're gonna get that free account. Once again, also Play billing is getting kind of spicy in a number of different court battles. The Amazon Fire 7 tablet finally gets some really needed upgrades. Assistant finally comes to the Galaxy Watch 4 and beware the rapidly oxidizing Pixel case plus your email and a whole lot more next on All About Android!

Narrator (00:00:43):
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Jason Howell (00:00:51):
This episode of All About Android is brought to you by checkout.com. Modern businesses need flexible payment systems that can help them adapt to change, grow and scale fast. Discover how checkout.com can help your business thrive at checkout.com/android. Hello, welcome to All About Android. This is episode 579 recorded on Tuesday, May 24th, 2022. Your weekly source, the latest news hardware and apps for the, an Android faithful. I'm Jason now,

Ron Richards (00:01:23):
And I'm Ron Richards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:26):
and I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Jason Howell (00:01:27):
And together we are All About Android!

Ron Richards (00:01:29):
We can do it. We can do it together.

Jason Howell (00:01:36):
Oh, wow. Yeah, I need to, I need to work with Burke on the fireworks. You know, they didn't go off like I expected. Yeah. Sorry. Next time. Next time you missed your cue. It's okay. I did. You've got the, the news bumper that you can nail to make up for it. <Laugh> we'll see. <Laugh> we'll see about that.

Ron Richards (00:01:57):
Man, it, it is, I feel like this week is a come down after last week's

Jason Howell (00:02:00):
Party. Right. I know, right. Yeah. Yeah. Last week there was just so much news, so much information that we had to get through and it was a longer episode. And actually this week there was, there was a decent amount of news. We got some good stuff to talk about. Not a whole lot about Google IO, like, like bits and pieces, maybe a little bit, but but yeah, we got some stuff it's just, it is hard to come down from the news avalanche that is Google IO week. That's, that's just one of those weeks. And there's only really a couple of those particular types of weeks throughout the year that this podcast, you know, can be really kind of challenging and planning it out and, and figuring out, you know, how we cram it all into an hour and a half <laugh> today will be a little bit different. I think we can cram today's show into an hour and a half. So let's do it Burke. I hope you're ready to press this button. Don't press the fireworks button though. Cuz that would be weird at this point. Press the button for the news bumper cuz it's time for the news.

Jason Howell (00:02:58):
Ah, good job. So

Speaker 3 (00:02:59):
I've decided to backtrack of my commitment to excellence in on Android news.

Ron Richards (00:03:04):
Oh, okay.

Jason Howell (00:03:05):
Oh, all right. Fine. Oh, wow. All right. Well that's good. That's okay. That's

Ron Richards (00:03:09):
Some good news. Backtrack on the commitment to excellence. I didn't even know there was a commitment to excellence. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:03:14):
There. Look at this show. There is never been a commitment to excellence.

Ron Richards (00:03:17):
This is all news to me. <Laugh> so all right. Well speaking of backtracking if you are a legacy G suite account holder, you've probably been following this story as I have because the legacy G suite Google account owners with free accounts listen, you all can put down your pitch forks. Okay, relax. Google had essentially backtracked on its plans to start charging for its decades, old free accounts or risk losing all of that accumulated email data. Now Google is offering a support page that allows non-commercial owners of these accounts to continue using the account for free and bypass the force transition to Google workspace. So if you're one of these folks you wanna check your G suite admin panel to confirm your account is for personal use. If it is a business account, you'll still need to pay of course, as you should, cuz you're a business and there are expenses and that sort of thing.

Ron Richards (00:04:07):
Good point. Yeah. if you already started paying for Google workspace based off Google's previous announcements I clicked away you will, you should contact support and they will rectify it for you. So get in touch with support. They'll help you out there. And this needs to be done by June 27th or you will be billed for your workspace. So you've pretty much gotta stay of execution here. You got a month to go check your GSuite account, make sure it's set to personal, get everything set. If for some reason it's set the business, it shouldn't be business. Get in touch with support, let them help you. And they'll manage this transition. It has been a bumpy ride in this transition for sure. Hasn't it?

Jason Howell (00:04:45):
So yeah. So all this is is just parked on a, a support page. I wonder if these the, the folks who are impacted by this are getting emails or some sort of communication I

Ron Richards (00:04:57):
Would have to imagine. I would

Jason Howell (00:04:59):
Hope so.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:59):
I think so.

Ron Richards (00:05:00):
Yeah. I, I, cuz we got so many communications about the transition as it is, so I should hope that they would be proactive in communicating this. So

Jason Howell (00:05:09):
Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:10):
I swear I got a workspace email this week or this week sometime, but seeing is how I have already. but I mean, to be honest, I use my workspace, my now workspace account for like my personal business stuff. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I'm paying $6 a month, which is not bad, but I think I did get an email about workspaces this week. Okay. But I did not read it since they already got money outta me. <Laugh> so

Jason Howell (00:05:31):
You've moved on.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:33):
I've moved

Jason Howell (00:05:33):
On. I've accepted the the consequence

Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:37):
I've <laugh> my $6 month consequence, which is not that, that bad. No, that

Jason Howell (00:05:40):
Bad. No, it's not really that bad, but it is nice to see Google, you know, kind of listen to the people who were upset and, and I think, I think rightfully so. I think anybody who, you know, has had that free account, well, I guess I'm kind of, of two minds of it. Anybody that's had that free account for so long, like yeah, you got it for free, but you know, be, be grateful that you got it for free as, for as long as you did, but then at the same time, you know, maybe that, that was those people, you know, they expected that to always be that way. Cuz Google really never told them it wouldn't be, you know, so maybe Google needs to do a better job of signaling that in advance or I don't know. But,

Ron Richards (00:06:19):
But, but that's the thing, I don't think Google had any intentions of charging this when they rolled it out. I mean like, like Google has cultivated this environment of like we built all this cool stuff and come get it for free. Yes. And, and now, and now, and that that's in its infancy and now we're in the maturity stage of the company and it's like, and things are starting to now get charged for. And that's a tough transition to make.

Jason Howell (00:06:40):
Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. So there you go. If you are impacted, you have a way to continue to get it for free. So there you go. Yeah. Your, your pitch forks can be sheathed again, put them in their storage shed. Oh. And I hope you never have to pull them out again. Burke. At least I hope that Google and match group. Okay. So we talked a few weeks ago about the kind of growing brouhahas I love that word. Any chance I get that's good word. That's a good know. Go ahead and throw it in there. Around Google billing and how Google basically has the requirement for developers to use Google's billing system right now, although, you know, you still have a few weeks, I think before they totally shut things down on your on your app, in the play store.

Jason Howell (00:07:36):
If you're not using their billing and you're using your own billing. So it's like the rule is being enforced right now, but here in a couple of weeks, things are gonna get ugly cuz people are gonna get removed if they're not. Well, a couple, you know, we've talked in the past about a few examples band camp being one of them match group is another and they're the, they own, you know, sites like Tinder. Okay. QA, a couple of other dating apps who are basically coming back and saying, Hey, this isn't fair. We don't agree. We don't co-sign Google. We wanna be able to use our own payment methods. And we, you know, want to refuse to pay to use yours problem is that they refuse to use Googles. Of course they, they run the risk of their apps being completely removed from play store and especially on apps like these with millions upon millions of users, they don't wanna risk that.

Jason Howell (00:08:26):
Of course. So match group filed a complaint against Google in court for quote, strategic manipulation of markets, broken promises and abuse of power in requiring match group to use Google's billing system to remain in the Google play store. So that's their charge. They said that Google is abusing its market power and that's, you know, in a way that forces developers to use this billing system. And of course along the, you know, along the way using the billing system means it has a price tag, 30% of the pro of the profits go in Google's pocket. Google has come back with some of these who are raising objections, especially if they have large amounts of users and saying, okay, we'll take 10%. How's that? And that's, you know, not, not good enough is, you know, at least in the case of match group match group requested a preliminary injunction to keep its app in the play store during this court battle.

Jason Howell (00:09:24):
And this week Google agreed to at least temporarily anyways continue to allow match group to use its own billing system. There were some attached arrangements with that. Like the like mash group has to keep something like 40 million in escrow while this is sorted out. But the court case is set for April, 2023. So this just kind of shows that, you know, a little bit of resistance is kind of putting some in the armor of Google and its plan to move everybody over to the billing system. And I can't help, but think that in light of this, there's gonna be more of this because this kind of, in some ways shows a weakness on, on Google's side. I don't know. What do y'all think? What do you think when, because I mean this obviously, and you've talked about this before, you've talked about how this impacts developers, but what do you think about that? Like leeway that seems to be be in happening here

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:20):
It's well, it's so confusing because you know, with match group and with like other, you know, like epic and these are part of this like coalition for app fairness, which is like a bunch of folks saying like, Hey, like we wanna support the, is it the open markets act, which is like in Congress right now, which is about kind of loosening the grip that apple and Google have on app app stores and allowing for more third parties. Like, it's just, I, I think this is a good thing. It's just, it's so contentious, like watching the two of them kind of like give their own perspectives on like what this means. It's a little confusing though, because like on top of that we have like Spotify in the pilot program of the user choice billing. So yeah, like there's some choice, but not it's, it's, it's so confusing to me.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:04):
It's, it's so freaking confusing to me. I, I, I wanna see some progress on this and, and I'm, I'm kind of with match group on this one and I, I like seeing people push back and I, I'm glad to hear about things like the open markets act. I think that's what it's called and the cion for app fair fair is kind of pushing back on it, but it's just freaking confusing. It just feels like a landman sometimes, especially when you're a smaller developer. Yeah. You know, and, and without, you know, at an established company with their own legal legal department to catch these things and, and handle these things, it's, it's just con it's just a confusing, you know, minefield of like, how do we not get removed from the apps or on top of everything else that people have to worry about normally like other, other stipulations and rules that we have to fall every day.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:46):
So, I mean, I guess good on, good on match group for fighting the good fight. And I guess in a sense, like, I wouldn't say good on Google, but it kind of does, does show that there is room for the fight. You know what I'm saying? Like that Google's like, fine, fine. Like we'll put a hold on your band because you obviously match group and, and apps like Tinder are huge and very visible apps. So I'm, I'm, I'm I'm for a scrappy fight with this kind of thing, because I mean, obviously there's a lot of big companies and a lot of big subscription, especially a lot of big subscription based companies that are generating a lot of like revenue that are not happy with the way things are so good. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> good. It's let's keep it going. Yeah. I,

Ron Richards (00:12:26):
I hate to be the devil's advocate here, but it's also, it's like, it's, I don't know. I feel like the, the, the, the, and I'm not by no means of really defending Google, but I guess I am defending Google because it's like, there are policies or their policies and companies can choose to play or not. Right. You have that choice. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> like, I, I don't know. I just, I, I just like it doesn't, I, I feel like it doesn't, it shouldn't have to be a fight, you know, which, which mm-hmm <affirmative> is just above, above everything. Right? Like it never, you never want it to come to it being a fight and, and, and that sort of situation. But at the same time, Google doesn't, I mean, like, Jason, I think to your point where it shows a weakness or whatever, just because it's, it's, you know, like Google's allowed to set their own policies and companies can choose whether they wanna play 'em or not. You know? So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:15):
I, I, I totally get it. I, I also don't like the fact that, I mean, the way that things work with Google, especially the play store is that I, I think if it was like equal treatment for everyone, I'd feel a little bit less stinky about it for the fact that it's like 30% off the top. And Hey, if you are, if you're a large partner, then we kind of have to listen to you or we'll, we'll give you a better rate if you're, if it's worth our time to, so that kind of feels icky to me. I totally, I, I, I totally agree. I think I, I think it's fair. Like, I, I think there is like, that's

Ron Richards (00:13:42):
Fair. Yeah. That's a

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:43):
Good point. Yeah, no, I mean, but I, I get what your point is, Ron too, is like, this is their, I mean, they made, they made this, they're making this space. It's like their technology. So I get it, but I don't know. It's also kind of a little bit of kind of, yeah. It's like a cool kids table, I guess, like, yeah. And if you're not part of the cool kids' table, then you know, 30% please, otherwise, Hey, you know, like Spotify and stuff, we'll give you like a, what? 10% five. I forgot. I forgot what the Spotify is.

Ron Richards (00:14:12):
Yeah. It was, I think it was 10%.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:13):
Yeah. It was like 10%. I was like, Hey, that's like way better than 30%. Whereas the rest of us here who are trying to make it on our own a little more I can't think of a good phrase for this, but you know, like being charged 30%. So yeah. I, I it's, it's, it's, it's not easy. And I don't, I don't like that. And especially being at a place where we are a partner, I kind of like, like, like my employer is in Trello has been like a partner in the past. Like, I, I can see like where that's beneficial and I'm like, well, it's a good thing. We're a partner. You know what I mean? Mm-Hmm so I, I, I don't like that feeling. I don't like that feeling that, oh, thank goodness I am. But think about all the thousands of developers that aren't. So,

Jason Howell (00:14:51):
Yeah. And I wanna thank real quick here, scooter X in the chat room, who also posted a link to a story yesterday that epic games, band camp also temporarily won the right to use its own payment system. So this is, you know, they're, they're kind of happening concurrently. These two cases are happening simultaneously, same issue, different companies. And it, in both cases, you know, they are, they are given the ability to continue to use their own payment system, at least in the near term, until this all plays out in court.

Ron Richards (00:15:22):
I, I still think that's I, when I get used to epic games is band camp.

Jason Howell (00:15:26):
Yeah. I know.

Ron Richards (00:15:27):
That's, that's,

Jason Howell (00:15:27):
That's a hard one. That's a hard pill

Ron Richards (00:15:29):
To see. Well, what's so funny is that, I mean, like, I mean, talking about that is that like, as somebody I've used band camp for years and I love it, and I dunno if we talk, I dunno if we talked about it on the news, on the show or not Jason, but when epic bought band camp had a great conversation with a bunch of friends of mine about it. Cause everyone was like, why is epic buying band camp, but blah, blah, blah. But then someone pointed out that there, you know, a couple people pointed out that their kids discover new music in Fortnite and in Roblox. Right. And so like the fact that there are music events in those games now mm-hmm, <affirmative> like, it makes sense that epic would, you know, so like, so the epic band camp acquisition did make more sense. And also given what, you know, epic is doing in the place, in the play store and apple and stuff like that, having another source of eCommerce revenue, you know, kind of thing is interesting. So I dunno, that's funny. So I dunno. It just makes me yeah,

Jason Howell (00:16:16):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Match group did create a site. If you want to kind of see a little bit more about what they are kind of, kind of their side of all of this. They create a site called end the Google tax.com com spicy. I know super

Ron Richards (00:16:33):
Spicy. Yeah

Jason Howell (00:16:33):
<Laugh> but they do, they do, they do point out like there are like, you know, on one hand it is Google's play sandbox, Google can, you know, kind of do what they do and, and, you know, kind of to your point where on companies can either choose to play that game or, or not. But one of the points that they they make is, you know, Google's in that billing system really doesn't offer everything that we need. And this is actually something that that epic games brought up around band camp as well. Match group says, you know, they don't offer bundles, they don't offer subscriptions and installments special offer options. And they also called out Google customer service as inferior to their own. Which, you know, it's kinda like, yeah, I am, you're not or whatever, but yeah, so, I mean, so there are other, other than I want more money, you know, I want to keep all the money. There are other reasons as well, why someone might not want to have to be forced to use Google's billing systems. So there's that, so we'll certainly be keeping an eye on this as, as both of these cases and whatever other cases that haven't launched yet happen as we go down the road. All right, win. You have a fun one. I got a fun one

Huyen Tue Dao (00:17:48):
And, and a little bit more positive note. Yeah. C U on Android, 12 has been awarded a very prestigious design award, the IFF gold design award. So for those of you who aren't familiar like me before I look this up the IFF product, I'm sure it's, if not if, but the IFF product design award was actually introduced in 1954, it has its roots in the Hanover Germany fair industrial trade exposition, which originally was for highlighting German design. But today it's a basically kind of like a design award that receives over 5,000 entries every year from 59 countries around the world for different in industries. So you have categories like electronics, home, office architecture, packaging, even more industrial type stuff and communication, which is where material you on Android 12 and specifically on the pixel six has won this gold award other products that we might mention in the show that have also also won a gold badge this year are the AirPods max and the galaxy Z I three, and the iPhone 13.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:48):
So kind of in this space, you can kind of see, like what kind of, you know, products in this award and material you in specific was noted for its consistency and flexibility, as well as being called up for its user centered approach, being responsive to the needs. And once the users basically, you know, the kind of updated design of Android 12, which, you know, is controversial, you know, you might love it, you might hate it, but again, you can't deny that there is an emphasis on customization and being responsive to the users like taste and, and having a more coherent, more modern experience. And specifically it does mention that the hardware and software, so the pixel six and material, you were co-developed as a holistic design experience. I think it's pretty interesting that it specifically points out pixel six and not just it at first I read it was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:36):
But then if you read closely, it is kind of the harmony of, you know, this Google experience. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I don't know. What do you, what do y'all think, do you think the fact that it, that the, does that the award itself cause that the pixel six makes us less relevant? Or is it kind of a pointer to why stock Android or kind of like the, the ideal Android experience matters or is this kind of it's cool, but it's not, or do you, do you find it irrelevant to what actual consumers user want? What do you

Jason Howell (00:20:04):
Guys think, you know, until you mentioned it? I don't think I realized that pixel six was even part of this. I, I read it as material, you and Android 12, which, I mean, makes sense. You know, they were kind of one and the same, you know, well, one is a part of the other mm-hmm <affirmative>, that is really interesting now that you mention it, that they kind of include pixel six into that, because I mean, on any other device, like any other pixel device that gets Android 12, they're gonna get basically the same kind of functionality. So I'm, so I'm curious as far as why they tie it to the six, other than that being the phone that it launched with. So maybe that was kind of the, the Genesis for that. But but I, I think at the end of the day, like, I think they're right, you know, whether you like, and I know a lot of people don't like it, but whether you like material you or not, I think there is something to be said for what Google is trying to do with it.

Jason Howell (00:20:54):
And, and personally, like, I actually like material you. I like what it does to the phone. I, I think that it's, you know, it, on one hand it might seem really basic. Like other launchers have been doing it for a long time, you know, maybe pulling colors out of images and everything, but having that happen on the system wide scale, more and more apps kind of buying into and, and, you know, developing their apps to be compatible with it. I don't know. It makes for a, a interesting experience with Android and we we've used Android for a really long time. And you know, it's, I don't know, I'm, it's not like I, I unlock my phone and I start jumping up and down. I'm so excited <laugh> but, but it is nice. It is like fresh is what comes to mind. Like it's, it's kind of a fresh take on Android. And part of that is because of the customization that happens automatically. And so, yeah, I like that. I appreciate that. And if that's what they're basing this award around, I can totally get behind that. What do you think, Ron?

Ron Richards (00:21:54):
Yeah, I, I, I would, I would, you know, I, I would slightly worry about a, kind of a homogeneous kind of experience happening across everything where everything starts to look and feel the same. And so, you know, and when you could probably speak better to this, but like, it's up to the developers on how to take material, you and tap into it, but still give their app a identity and a presence, you know, because I do like the sense of like, I'm in, I'm on Android, but I'm in this app. Right. And like, it's an, almost a nested experience, but yeah. But Jay said, I'm with you in terms of like, it's been a long time with, with the material paradigm and mixing it up is nice. And I will say like, I'm, I'm using my phone every day and I have, I have you know, little to no complaints other than changing how I turn it off or rebooted, but whatever <laugh>, <laugh>,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:22:39):
It is a big switch in the year of our smartphone, twenty, twenty two to have, you know, something that's Andrew related, get a design award alongside. Yeah. You know, other large platforms. I remember, you know, I think I really started on this kind of period of my Android development in 2012. And that was a slightly before, you know, lollipop and material even came out and the joke back then was like Android design. What's that? So it's been, you know, 10 years in a long way. I do think it's interesting that it is the pixel six. And I think, you know, sometimes we talk about the importance of pixel devices and, you know, we, we had all this hardware, you know, announcements last week and, and, you know, even though the Google hardware, it doesn't really making a dent in like the, like the overall consumer numbers of like percentage of the market mm-hmm <affirmative> of devices.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:23:28):
There, there does seem to be an importance of how does Google envision this. And so I think that's why pixel six is very interesting cuz it's Google's phone and, and again, like it, I mean, I think it is more, I think, consistent across the way, but, you know, Samsung with one UI and then looking at, you know, like the way that I don't know, other OEMs kind of flavor Android, I think it, it is interesting to see that the Google branded Google, you know, co-developed experience has one, a design ward. So I think there's something to that. Also as a developer, I just like just making sure that I can just check stock Android. I don't have to look how things look on shall me or Samsung, but that's not the real one I have to check, but I, I do things and Ron, like to your like point, oh my gosh, I just forgot what I was gonna say. Nevermind. But to your

Jason Howell (00:24:12):
Point, awesome. To your

Huyen Tue Dao (00:24:14):
Point. Yeah, no about, about developers. No it, but, but to your point, yeah, it, it does take developer effort to make material you work. So I think it's a really good point that this is first party apps where this beautiful, pristine, you know, material you garden exists, but then you pull up your favorite app and if they haven't, you know, used material, you, then it's not, it's, it's, there's like a break there. So it, I, I do think it's like good on you, but there's like a reality and kind of like the everyday existence, that's a little bit different. So that's what I meant to say. I was like, there's a really good point that Ron made that I wanted to,

Jason Howell (00:24:47):
<Laugh> not my head

Huyen Tue Dao (00:24:48):
For like 30 seconds. So but yes,

Jason Howell (00:24:51):
Yeah, right on. And should, should point out that, you know, as far as this award is concerned, you know, in good company, the galaxy Z flip three also got an award this year. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> there. It is for smartphone. I mean, you know, that's a pretty pretty spot on as far as, you know, design is concerned. That's a very unique phone and I think they did. Foldables pretty well. Samsung did a good job with that. Airpods max also iPhone 13 or just a couple of other winners. I, I roll <laugh> Aw. I roll with a, with a lowercase I and an uppercase. Yeah, exactly. I roll

Huyen Tue Dao (00:25:29):
IRO.

Jason Howell (00:25:30):
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Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:53):
Oh yeah. This news is on fire. It's on fire. It's on fire fire.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:58):
<Laugh> it's well, I mean, I guess it depends on you on, on your perspective you are, if you are a fire fan, this news is certainly on fire because the upcoming fire seven tablet, which by the way, is currently available for pre-order and will be shipping on June 29th has both significant hardware and software updates for you. Good. So on the hardware side now just as a reminder, cause I didn't remember again, in the theme of like, I gotta look this stuff up. Sometimes the fire seven is the cheaper, the more, the hyper affordable of Amazon's tablets. And before, you know, it had a, you know, regular old micro USB charging, but now that

Jason Howell (00:29:36):
Port

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:37):
The port,

Jason Howell (00:29:37):
I know, set that port on fire. That's what needs to happen.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:40):
Yeah, well they did. It is burn. It is, it is burned and like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. The 2022 fire seven will have a USBC charging port.

Jason Howell (00:29:50):
Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's I know,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:52):
I

Jason Howell (00:29:53):
Don't

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:53):
Believe it.

Jason Howell (00:29:54):
No, nothing has a USBC port these days. That's that's future

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:58):
Technology. So cutting edge. And on top of that, you'll have as Amazon claims, a 30% faster quad core processor, an upgrade to two, two whole gigabytes of Ram up from one gigabyte from the previous model, which I think was last updated in 2019. Oh my goodness. And an estimated, I know it just overwhelmed with the cutting edge technology and the fire seven <laugh> my gosh estimated 10 hours of browsing video watching time. Unfortunately, one less color than last time you only get black D denim or rose. And of course there's gonna be a ruggedized ruggedized. Is that a word? Ruggedized?

Jason Howell (00:30:36):
Yeah. Ruggedized. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:30:36):
Ruggedized ruggedized. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:38):
It's ruggedized

Ron Richards (00:30:39):
Rugged. You go

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:39):
Rugged tablet, a rugged, rugged tablet kids' version because of course that comes with a year of Amazon kids' plus parental control built in web features. Well, web filters, rather all that now for the price again. So I know we're making a lot of fun of it, but this is a hyper affordable tablet. The previous version was 49 99 U S D. This new version wi which does come. So, so the version this 2022 version of the fire seven, which comes with lock screen ads is only 59 99 S D if you want to bypass lock screen, as it is now, it, it, it will, it is now gonna be 75 S D and the kids' fire is a little more expensive at about $109 or $110.

Ron Richards (00:31:25):
That's still, that's still super that's super affordable. Like I know. Yeah. I know that Amazon will never share these numbers, but I would love to see a market share report just to truly understand what the fire tablets presence you know is. And I would argue that it's probably one of the most purchased, you know, like, like I feel like it's just, it's just one of, one of these things that Amazon is quietly. Yeah. Kept on point pumping out and kept on making available, and people go to Amazon and maybe they buy the Kindle, the E Inc reader, but maybe a lot of 'em buy the fire tablet thinking it's a Kindle or whatever it is, my guess is that a lot of people have this.

Jason Howell (00:32:09):
Yeah, I agree. I, I would, I would guess that too, don't have any numbers, obviously, you know, kind of impossible to know for certain. But I mean, especially on the, the parent side of things, if you've got a really young child, because, and I say that because if your child's a little bit older, they start to know the difference, right. <Laugh> if they're, you know, later elementary, junior high, especially they know that like, okay, gimme an iPad, seriously, what, what is going on right now? But if you've got a young child fire tablet's actually a, the fire tab is actually a really great, great purchase because Amazon does bundle in that extra service. The UI is, is, you know, something that a, that a younger kid can figure out and really what are they doing other than watching, you know, some videos maybe playing some apps. I mean, that's where I get a little bit kind of like, oh, like I'm, I'm amazed. I, I forgot that the fire tablet had one gig of Ram that just kind of blows me away. And two gigs is pretty damn poultry as well. Yeah. Yeah. But you're not paying a lot for this tablet. So I guess,

Ron Richards (00:33:14):
So I, I will say that that my gut might be either right or wrong, but I did find on a site called SATA. And Burke, I put it in the slack. I don't know if you want in the doc too or not, but but basically it's tablet, vendor shipments worldwide by quarter. And and according to this, at least it says in Q1 22, apple led with, with, with 12.1 million tablet shipped. Amazon had eight point, sorry, Samsung had 8.1 million Lenovo, 3 million Amazon, 3.7 million. And Wai 2.2 and then everybody else had 9.2. So according to this, at least if this data is true, is tablets that are shipped Amazon is roughly the third largest tablet shipper behind apple and Samsung behind which, which still is a lot, I mean, 3.7 million in the quarter is a lot. Right. So, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:34:10):
Yeah. So alright, well, you know, and also also the fire OS that was on the previous version was, was based on Android nine. Yeah. From 2018

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:23):
<Laugh> and the fire, so, okay. So I got a little confused. So the fire seven tablet will come with fire OS eight. Yeah. So fire <laugh> gosh, fire

Ron Richards (00:34:33):
OS.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:34):
Yeah. Fire OS seven was actually based on Android nine, which was released in 2018, which was fine because it, the previous was it, I think at the time, wait, fire oh seven was okay. Based on Android nine, which released in 2018, but fire OS eight, which is gonna come on the fire seven tablet tablet is, is gonna be based on Android 11. So that gets you things like system wide, dark mode and the updates to the permission system, easier security patches from Amazon, the end, which is really important because Google is no longer supporting updates to Android nine. So that'll be super important as you buy your fire seven tablets to make sure you get those good old security updates. And there's no other news on whether the other fire tablets like the fire HD eight, for example, are gonna get this update. But I think they're based on the same chips. So probably,

Jason Howell (00:35:20):
Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:20):
I would, I think so. So probably so hopefully it would be, especially as the rest of us are, you know, moving on to Android 12 and 13, it would be really great to see, you know, these very affordable tablets getting at least a nice bump to Android 11, especially for the privacy and security. So fire fans, there you go. Plenty of updates for you and, you know, still, I mean, I, I, I, we're making fun, but I know we've also had a lot of kind of emails and stories about, you know the life of phones and not everybody being, you know, super enthusiast buying the flagships all the time and, and trying to focus more on like mid, mid to like, you know, mid to lower end devices. So I don't know. I, I, I was actually surprised. I didn't realize how cheap this tablet was. So, I mean, if you're just browsing or, you know, doing simple media consumption, it's not a, it's not a bad option at all. Not a bad option at all. And Hey, USBC charging y'all so, Hey,

Jason Howell (00:36:15):
Step into the future. There

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:16):
You go. Step into the

Jason Howell (00:36:17):
Future. <Laugh> Hey, look, you could do a lot worse. You could get an on and a tablet.

Ron Richards (00:36:24):
<Laugh> that's true, dear. On

Jason Howell (00:36:27):
The on and fan fanboy and fan girls will probably email me as a result of that. They

Ron Richards (00:36:32):
Did not, they did not rank in the, that vendor shipment ranking there in the other

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:37):
Dear they're off Walmart. Other off of,

Ron Richards (00:36:40):
Off of

Jason Howell (00:36:41):
Was nowhere to be found. This is one area that Amazon is definitely beating Walmart.

Jason Howell (00:36:48):
Okay. This was something that I, I ran across this article on the verge and made me realize like, oh yeah, this is me. The pixel six, you may remember because it didn't come out that long ago to forget, but it the case that the first party case that Google released for the pixel six was not like the cases that Google released on the previous pixels. You, you remember previous pixels, they were like these fabric cases that I was always a pretty big fan of. I actually really liked the fabric cases you did.

Ron Richards (00:37:22):
I remember that. I actually do

Jason Howell (00:37:23):
Remember that. Yeah, they were sturdy. I liked the way they felt. I felt like even if they got dirty, I mean, when they got really dirty, you could see, but, you know, if they got a little dirty, it was really hard to see. They were kind of camouflaged a little bit from that. Well, this time around, they released the phone with the first party case being a, kind of like a, a transparent plastic made from 30% post-consumer recyclable materials, which I can totally get behind. However, a this time around things are not weathering well on the, on the case. <Laugh>. And this article from the verge made me realize that I've been noticing this as well, basically pixel six owners that have, have the case are noticing rapid yellowing of the case, discoloration kind of splotchy. I mean, I don't, I really don't know if you'll be able to see it in the, in the camera here, but I do know that when I put this case on my phone, initially it looked a lot, like a lot more like the actual phone color <laugh> and not like this like dirty D tone thing, kinda sepia tone thing.

Jason Howell (00:38:32):
That's just kinda looks gross and and weird. And so, I don't know. I saw that article. I was like, okay, yeah, this is, this is kind of me, you know, how long have I had this case? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, there you go. Oh, wow. There's a little bit of a difference is now, wait, Burke is this, this is not the same case. Yeah. But this is a translucent. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:38:55):
That's not the Google case.

Jason Howell (00:38:57):
It's not the Google case, but it's a, but it's another example of a translucent one that actually, and, and also our phones are actually different colors, so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but you can kind of see like things just look a little cleaner, a little more see through. And I mean, it's not like I ever take this phone out of this case, so it's not like it gets dirty in there. No matter what, with plastic, it's gonna get dirty at some point mm-hmm <affirmative>, it's just sure. When you buy a case, you kind of hope that doesn't LA, that doesn't happen for a while. And it turns out a lot of people with these, these cases are noticing the, the plastic is just changing color in like, not very attractive ways pretty quickly. So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:34):
I wonder if it's a, a factor of it being recycled. I mean,

Jason Howell (00:39:37):
I know I that too,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:38):
Not, and, and not to ding, like, I, I think I lo I think I love most that it's like recycled polycarbonate and, or like, you know, post consumer materials, which is, I think super important. Yeah, I do

Jason Howell (00:39:47):
Too.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:47):
Oh, okay. Cool. But I, I wonder, cause since I, I wonder if it's just a factor of it being recycled, whether there's something about the second, second processing. I don't know. I'm not an industrial materials person, but I wonder if it's something like

Jason Howell (00:39:59):
That. I wonder the same. I think, yeah. I like, I don't know the answer to that of course, but I do wonder if that if that, that process, or if that material just kind of weathers poorly compared to comparatively speaking to plastic that is completely, you know, horrible for the earth. So <laugh> so I don't know, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:21):
Compromises.

Jason Howell (00:40:22):
Yeah. Right. Exactly. Like if this is better for the earth. Okay, fine. It's protecting my phone. Like I, you know, and I'll, I'll be honest. Like I hadn't really paid close attention to it until I read the article and you know, I mean a part of me kind of doesn't care <laugh> it's like, okay, well it's a case on my phone. If it get, like, if it gets really gross, I'll probably replace it. But for now I'm kind of like, I'll probably stick with it.

Ron Richards (00:40:45):
I mean, another, I chalk it up. Another reason why I don't like cases.

Jason Howell (00:40:49):
It is cause they get gross. And actually, you know, when you're not using a case, you're not contributing to the, the earth debt. So to

Ron Richards (00:40:57):
The, yes, exactly. The

Speaker 3 (00:40:58):
Earth debt. How much was that case? Jason?

Jason Howell (00:41:01):
I think it was $10. It wasn't expensive.

Speaker 3 (00:41:03):
Okay. Okay. Mine is also a $10 case. Yeah. And

Jason Howell (00:41:05):
It's clear. Yeah, it is. How long have you had it?

Ron Richards (00:41:09):
I've had it. Is it, is it recycled plastic?

Jason Howell (00:41:11):
Well,

Speaker 3 (00:41:11):
I don't. It's $10,

Ron Richards (00:41:13):
So

Speaker 3 (00:41:14):
No, I don't know. But

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:15):
Are you, are you helping the earth? Burke? Are you deferring

Speaker 3 (00:41:17):
The earth? I am.

Jason Howell (00:41:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:41:18):
I am helping.

Jason Howell (00:41:19):
I wear, I wear these war, these these worn yellow weathered smudges with pride. Okay. That's

Speaker 3 (00:41:27):
Not what people are thinking when they

Jason Howell (00:41:28):
See that too. No, I know I'm getting judged. <Laugh>, you know, outside of the show, we all understand, but out on the streets, when someone sees this, they go, oh,

Speaker 3 (00:41:38):
Why's I,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:39):
If any of the Android faithful are, you know, depending on what your skincare routine is, sometimes that actually can, can kind of Hasen the discoloration of things like carbonate. Yeah. I, I have had a lot of so long, short story, long, long story short. I've had a lot of skin issues over the year. So I have a lot of like different medications I use. Cause I used to have like pizza face and my, anything that is polycarbonate or the SIM similar material gets like yellow and stuff really fast. So maybe it could be,

Ron Richards (00:42:07):
Oh, that's interest.

Jason Howell (00:42:07):
Yeah. That

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:08):
Makes sense. I've noticed that a lot. So you know, it might not just be you, you're just taking really good care of your skin and your phone case suffers for it. So if that's you, yeah. I feel you, you know what I mean? So

Jason Howell (00:42:17):
<Laugh> thank you. You're welcome. Like, you know, I don't, I don't put lotion on my hands or anything. I don't know. Maybe my hands are just like, maybe like I go out working in the garden and then I come in and I check my phone and maybe that's what's happening. It's like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:42:32):
You do have well manicured oh, fingers though.

Jason Howell (00:42:35):
Thank you. Oh, it's

Ron Richards (00:42:37):
Weird. Getting

Jason Howell (00:42:38):
Weird now.

Ron Richards (00:42:39):
Weird. Let's move on. So talk about getting weird. Talk about getting weird jammy. JMI launched the red note 11 T pro and pro plus. So there it is. Yeah. Both, both these phones share the density 8,100 system on a chip processor. They both have a, they both have a 6.6 inch, 144 Hertz, L C D display. The pro has an over 5,000 milliamp battery and a 67 wat wired charging. And the pro plus has a smaller 4,400 milliamp battery, but 120 wat wired charging and Astro boy fans, all you out there, all you

Jason Howell (00:43:22):
Out there heard gas audibly.

Speaker 3 (00:43:24):
I mean like

Ron Richards (00:43:25):
You, you will want the Astro boy special edition version of this phone. Cause look at it on our, those are our, our viewers who are watching the video version, audio viewers, I'll explain to you. It is a version of this phone with Astro boy printed on, on the back of the phone, in a cool kind of cutaway showing Astroboy and then inside the robotics that are Astro boy and listen Astro. Boy's cool. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna like, like Astro boy's Astroboy has a legit following. And so if you're in Astroboy, you're gonna be super happy and prices on this range from $270 to $375 and that's converted from the Chinese one. And it's China only for now. So Astroboy fans outside of China. You're outta luck. And no word if it's gonna go wider or if they'll go global with the Astroboy version. So

Jason Howell (00:44:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm I'm not very familiar with Astroboy like I recognize the,

Speaker 3 (00:44:21):
For the record. I'm not a, I can appreciate Astro boy. It's not something that I'm into, but I

Ron Richards (00:44:26):
Like it I'm so I like the cut

Speaker 3 (00:44:28):
Ash, especially just

Ron Richards (00:44:29):
Anything. Yeah. Astro. Yeah. Astroboy is very cool. So it I mean Astroboy is manga is originated in manga and then has, has expanded into cartoons, things like that. But it's written by OSA Taka, who is one of like the manga legends. It was, you know, originally written by O OSA, Taka as SAMU Tezuka who was one of the legendary Japanese manga writers you know, through the fifties super into, into the eighties. Yeah. Very, very cool though. So yeah, so Astro boy's

Jason Howell (00:45:02):
Awesome. All right. Yeah, people like the red me series. So I mean, it's good for its price point, you know, especially,

Ron Richards (00:45:11):
And if you like Astroboy and Taki's work, you might wanna check out his work Buddha, which is his interpretation of of, of Gama Buddha, which is the, you know, the founder of Buddhism. He did that from 1972 to 1983. So it's like, it's an epic work of manga. So I watch

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:28):
It. Oh, wow. I have to check that out.

Jason Howell (00:45:30):
Dang. Ron was the right person to assign that story to

Ron Richards (00:45:33):
<Laugh>. It just happens to be one of my wheelhouses.

Jason Howell (00:45:37):
<Laugh> perfect. Love it. When it works out like that, I didn't have a whole lot to say about that phone. So we got some extra mileage outta Astroboy <laugh> <laugh> all right. Coming up next in just a beat. We're gonna talk a little bit about apps.

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Jason Howell (00:46:32):
No, we are not talking about beats. We're talking about apps. This is not drop

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:36):
A beat though. This is not, I wish I really wish I wish flow was here. Cuz I feel like was it last week that she asked for this for her galaxy watch four. Yeah. Am I wrong about that?

Jason Howell (00:46:47):
Yeah, I think she has been, yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:49):
I think she has been. And as of today, May 24th in the year of our smartphone, 2022 galaxy watch, four owners can now download Google assistant to their galaxy watches. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:47:00):
This is something slow has

Ron Richards (00:47:01):
Been asking for for a long time.

Jason Howell (00:47:03):
This episode is full of stuff from the future. Like no watch has assistant.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:08):
I know right.

Jason Howell (00:47:08):
Saying jokingly for anyone who's taken me serious.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:12):
So yes, analy over at night, I Google has a really good breakdown about the whole process of getting it on your phone. But so if you want the long story, go ahead and check it out. But basically if you go into your go to your Google watch, watch four, go to Google, play under your, my app list. There should be a new assistant app that should appear. So go ahead and update that. Or you can just go ahead and search for it on the on watch play store. And after downloading latest version, you'll see in your laundry, the very familiar four color bubble, Google assistant icon, there's an activation flow that looks like it's specifically for Google assistant on your watch. So you might have to go through that. And in addition to the hot phrase and the launcher you can actually use, you can actually customize the galaxy, watch four S home key to activate Google with either a double press or press and hold.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:01):
There are some other settings and this is available in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, the UK, and the us in 12 different languages. And compared to the assistant, which was on where was two, this is supposed to provide faster than ever response times and does have an updated assistant design, which is more reminiscent of what we see on the phone. Now with a little four color bar at the bottom that responds and kind of is reactive to your voice as you speak to the Google assistant. So there you go. May 24th gets you some Google assistant on your galaxy watch

Jason Howell (00:48:36):
Four it's about time, about

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:39):
Name, time

Jason Howell (00:48:40):
Took took long enough.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:41):
Well, we finally got to the future, all right. S filled with USBC and Google assistant,

Jason Howell (00:48:46):
Samsung, just, you know, they gotta be dragged, kicking and screaming to, to like let you put assistant on top of Bixby, you know, <laugh> in places, how is Bigsbys and I understand Bigsbys their thing and I'm, and I I'm, I'm sure there are people out there that actually use and like BBY. I just

Ron Richards (00:49:05):
Find me to keep using like Bixby find like seriously, if you are a Samsung user and you are pro BBY, please write in and tell us, you can email us at AAA TV. There, there we go. We, this is a call to arms. Literally we know there are tens of thousands that hundreds of thousands of you that listen

Jason Howell (00:49:23):
To, no, there are hundreds of you. Oh, we know there's hundreds of people who like Bixby.

Ron Richards (00:49:27):
There are several people who might like Bixby. I have no data on this. Maybe please email us at triple a TV. Let us know if you use Bixby. If you like Bixby, if you advocate for Bixby. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:49:38):
Yeah. Or, and if

Ron Richards (00:49:39):
Points, oh, sorry. Bonus points, bonus points. If your name is Bixby

Jason Howell (00:49:43):
<Laugh> well, then you gotta like Bixby, if

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:46):
Your name's good. Well, and you, and you live in the town of Bixby or something. Yeah. But I, yeah, I wonder, I, I wanna say like a Google, like, you know, under, like inside of the watch, whether there's like a Google assistant versus like BPE AI fight going on kind of like an age of Tron thing.

Jason Howell (00:50:01):
Oh

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:01):
Yeah. You know, where they're just like fighting for dominance and then whoever wins is gonna be your assistant, your, your, your watch based assistant.

Jason Howell (00:50:08):
Yeah. Or, or like the only way to launch assistant on your watch is to launch BPE and ask BPE to launch assistant.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:16):
Oh my God.

Jason Howell (00:50:17):
That sounds fun. That's not actually the way this works, but that would be interesting, nonetheless. I wouldn't be surprised. Oh right. There we go. So yeah, flow's probably excited about that too. Ron, you got the next one.

Ron Richards (00:50:34):
I do have the next one. Yes. So, sorry. I, I was scrolling to find the email address and I lost my spot <laugh> so

Jason Howell (00:50:41):
Our email address is really easy. Ron, let me

Ron Richards (00:50:44):
Tell, I know, but I can never remember. That's the problem. So so those of you who are Google, Google maps, enthusiasts probably already know this, but Google street view turned 15 years old today, not today, but recently so Google street view is now solidly a teenager. And to se, and, and by the way, I remember when street view rolled out and the fact that it was 15 years ago may is making me feel very, very old. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:51:07):
Kinda crazy. It doesn't feel like 15 years. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:51:10):
Oh God. But to to celebrate this Google's bringing historical street view data to the mobile app, which is like, this is an idea that comes up that I'm shocked that somebody green lit we're like, yeah, let's do that. So if you click into street view mode on the Google maps app, and then there will be a Seymour dates button that will show a carousel of older images for that same location. And the data goes back to 2007. This feature has been available on the desktop since 2014. So it's not like it's, it's not like crazy and unique but it's finally on mobile. So you can look at it. And, and basically if you ever like to do, if you ever look, look at those like Instagram accounts or blog sites that like show like a street corner today and what it looked like in 2007, now you can do that with the street view, archive, assuming they have the data. So,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:59):
Yeah. I mean, if you, you wanna talk about feeling old, just go back to your, like your, the street in your hometown and then just like, see how it's changed. Unless, I mean, like for me, I know. Yeah. There's like, hu for me, that would be it. I'd be looking at kind of like condominiums that aren't there now. So yeah. I will feel really old using this feature, but it's kind of cool. I, it's a massive amount of data for them to keep, so that historical data and I wonder, oh my goodness. Yeah. Could you just imagine in like 10 years just like the data. Oh, and there's that cute? Little? What, what was this new, what was the new like street view camera that they're

Jason Howell (00:52:29):
Playing? Yeah. I didn't read a whole lot about the new street view camera, but this,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:33):
It it's expensive.

Jason Howell (00:52:34):
It looks like a little robot.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:37):
Yeah. Lot. Yeah. It kind

Jason Howell (00:52:37):
Has quality to it. It's kind of, kind of Wallish

Ron Richards (00:52:42):
It looks like the looks really heavy

Jason Howell (00:52:44):
Look heavy.

Ron Richards (00:52:45):
It looks like the trash can from black hole. What is it?

Jason Howell (00:52:48):
It seems Bob.

Ron Richards (00:52:49):
Bob.

Jason Howell (00:52:50):
Bob. Yeah. It does look like Bob. Yeah, actually it looks better way better than

Ron Richards (00:52:56):
Bob Vincent. Vincent Bob. Yes. Oh yeah. Bob Bob is the nice one. Vincent is the, is the trash can, is the trash and then there's max million. The awesome

Jason Howell (00:53:04):
One. Yeah. So to tell you a little bit about what it actually does, other than what it just looks like company says, it's roughly the size of a house cat. Okay. That' gives you scale. It weighs less than 15 pounds. So it's actually not that heavy Burke. The goal is to take all the power resolution and processing capabilities that we built into an entire street view car. And then as Ron audio writes, cram it into an ultra portable package that could be shipped to underserved areas like the Amazon general. That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's pretty cool. So it's like a portable street view thing. Yeah. That's, that's great. Very neat. So yeah, this feature existed before on desktop. I don't know that I've ever used it, but now it's coming to mobile. So if you wanna go back in time you can do it on your app. Oh my

Speaker 3 (00:53:54):
God. Now I have that song signed in my head. Jason, thank

Jason Howell (00:53:56):
You. Go back in time. Take me away.

Speaker 3 (00:53:59):
I don't

Jason Howell (00:54:01):
Not like Huey Lewis, nothing like Huey. Yep. Alright. And finally, well there you are. Are you, are you taking us back in time? Is that what you're doing? Yeah. Oh, okay. Look, we're going back in time. Okay. Finally, I thought this feature was pretty neat. New YouTube feature. That's that's rolling out and I've seen it on desktop. I haven't seen it on mobile yet, but I've definitely seen it on desktop. The video player, when you're on a video now ha overlays this graph over the top of the progress bar. And so you'll see this, these little like wavy line. And what that tells you is the steeper that that curve is, is the more people have watched that part of the video. So it's a way when you go to a video to, you know, maybe there's a certain tip that you're looking for.

Jason Howell (00:54:52):
You're like, oh, okay. But you know, the YouTuber takes 10 minutes to get there, whatever it, it, this is just a visual indicator of where most people have watched the most of and you know, you can see the other parts are kind of shallow and then it gets really big over here. Oh, be I better check out that part and you go there and you get your tip and it's actually really handy. It's kind of one of those features. It's like, wow, where has this been? All my life. This is actually really useful. I do wonder though how this impacts certain things from a monetary standpoint, from like a momentation standpoint, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. This seems like a feature that has the potential to really ruin somewhat in kind of way that they make a living. Potentially. I don't, I don't know if there's actual truth to that, but it seems like if, if someone can skip to the middle, like, is that video then getting counted for a view or if they get their tip in 30 seconds and then bounce, cuz they didn't have to wait that whole time to, to get there.

Jason Howell (00:55:49):
Like maybe that changes monetization of this stuff. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:55:51):
Can I ask you a question about this? What, why aren't they showing it in the screenshot? Like they don't even show, you can't even show see what they're talking about. Oh, any of the, the images on the article <laugh> am I just imagining? No,

Jason Howell (00:56:03):
No, no, you can. So go to the second image, the second image and zoom in on that and you'll see it it's a player. The, the title of the player is a few things to know in under nine minutes. And when you take a look at that screenshot, you can see there's those little wavy lines down at the bottom right above the progress line, right?

Speaker 3 (00:56:20):
No. Oh, I see it.

Jason Howell (00:56:21):
You're right. Yeah. You just didn't know what you were looking at. Like you could think that that's part of the actual video, but that's an overlay by Google to show. There you go. That's that's the peak, that's where the most people were watching. So I, I think it's bring

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:37):
Two ways about this. Yeah. I mean, I think for like tip videos of tutorial videos, it is one of those things where I've definitely watched, you know, like tutorials and tips. Like, can you just like get to the, the thing, get

Ron Richards (00:56:47):
To get to the point?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:47):
Yeah. Get me to the thing. But I, I think it also depends on the kind of content it is. Like, for example, if you're more like a documentary short film, like, you know, experience kind of YouTuber, this, this could kind of suck, especially if you kind of craft the video and you maybe have like a particularly like, I don't know, spicy or like viral part of the video. Yeah. And you can like miss the rest of it and yeah, I think like you're right, Jason, the monetization thing is kind of interesting because what do people just skip ads? So then what, like, I mean, I guess it's not really the fault of the creator or is this gonna encourage creators just to create even more fast to the point, you know, TikTok level of detention span, not there's anything wrong with TikTok, but that, you know what I mean? Like it is going start biasing.

Ron Richards (00:57:29):
Well, I would, I would have to imagine

Huyen Tue Dao (00:57:31):
That

Ron Richards (00:57:31):
Not app, I would have to imagine that YouTube is, is adjusting the, a delivery mechanism to account for the, the, what we called the, the total time viewed. Right. So like mm-hmm <affirmative> so, you know, let's say, let's say you're gonna get hit with a, you're gonna get hit with a midstream ad 10 minutes into it. And you skip ahead to 15 minutes into it, you know, and this is conjecture. I have no idea, but I could imagine that when you click on that point in the graph, they hit you with the ad first and then you get to that point that you click to like, they, they ways of doing that non skip doing the nons skeptical. I have no idea because I play, I have YouTube premium and I haven't seen an ad on YouTube in years. Neither

Jason Howell (00:58:10):
Of, I, I

Ron Richards (00:58:11):
Know small conjecture, but yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:13):
Well I was more like, like some, like some creators, like they have like a deal with whatever and they actually have to have like an ad read in the middle, which so it's, so it's independent of like YouTube systems. So if you, if you

Ron Richards (00:58:22):
Have a creator, right. But YouTube doesn't know YouTube doesn't care about that. Youtube, what we, we do. Yeah. That's exactly. So, yeah. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:29):
E

Jason Howell (00:58:30):
<Laugh>. Yeah, I, yeah, I, I don't know. I mean the thing that, that came to mind when you were talking about that, when was the comparison between what you were saying and like musicians that when things went digital and things got very singles based, like track based were all upset that like, Hey, wait a minute, I craft my albums to be start to finish. And I want people to listen in that order. I was like, yeah. But the technology has progressed to a point to where we don't have to do that if we don't want to. And it's kind of the same thing here. It's like the technology allows us to go wherever. So we'll go wherever and around

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:09):
Fantasy spare.

Jason Howell (00:59:10):
Was that also rock fans, spare what's that

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:10):
Progressive rock fans is spare. Yes. Like yes. Fans and, and Floyd

Jason Howell (00:59:15):
Fans rush and yeah. <Laugh> yeah. So anyways, that just kind of came to mind, but I think it's a neat feature, but I am curious to know how it impacts things like that. Like I think that's a, that has the potential to ruin some creators day. And I'm sure we'll hear about that if that's the case, but YouTube's happy to roll it out. So I'm curious. Yeah. To know what's behind that. All right. Coming up next, we do have your email if you wrote some and we chose it, so it's coming up next.

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Jason Howell (01:00:36):
<Laugh> triple a Twitter TV, 3, 4, 7 show AA. There are in fact, three of you that I was just speaking to because all three of you are in this episode. So when you've got the first email,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:48):
Yeah, the first emails from Daniel. I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name. Daniel Chavez. Chaz

Jason Howell (01:00:54):
Chavez. I think so. Chavez.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:55):
Chavez. Yeah. All right. And his email Daniel's emails about where OS I am. One of those who loved where OS well over that of the apple watch OS and didn't have any issues with it. My only real issue with it was a very short battery life. I switched to the Fitbit charge five for its nearly two week battery life. My goodness. That's a long time. Yeah. And for its fitness and sleep tracking, which I used daily, but I missed all the control functions of wear OS. So the two merging to me is amazing. And the only thing that will make it perfect is if fingers crossed that the new pixel watch can get at least a week's worth of battery life. Ooh, I will be there. Pre-Ordering the pixel watch the moment that becomes available.

Jason Howell (01:01:39):
Oh, so <laugh> how do, yeah. What's the likelihood what's what's the over, under, on the pixel watch lasting a week, honestly,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:47):
Charge, you know, I, I, I just, I don't know. I, I think we'll be lucky if it lasts a day, like on charge, you know what

Jason Howell (01:01:52):
I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like I can feel the same way. <Laugh> sorry to bring it down. Daniel. You don't even know yet. No, I I'm not actually I'm, I'm a little more optimistic. I think, I think it'll hit a day, but I just don't see smart watches, unless something significant changes with the battery technology. I don't see smart watches doing all the things that they do right now. They're gonna have to be a lot smarter, be able to

Ron Richards (01:02:18):
Save life. That's all. I, I will say I am surprised

Jason Howell (01:02:21):
From optimization. Yes. Yes. Oh, I see. I see. That's a lot, a lot of optimization that would need to happen for that to happen. Sorry, Rob.

Ron Richards (01:02:29):
It'll be a lot of it. Yeah. But, but if anybody can do a Google can with all their AI and all that, then you know, machine stuff. But I will say is 2022 and I'm surprised how reliant we still are on the old battery stuff. You know, like I, I thought by now there'd be some new battery paradigm and it's like the size of a nickel and it gives you a month's worth of chart, you know, like, right. I'm I'm, I am shocked that, that, you know, that, that hasn't been fixed yet. So

Jason Howell (01:02:56):
Breathe into your phone and it charges another day. Right. You know, another day is worth a battery charge by breathing into the phone.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:03):
I will, I will say like with a watch, like, and it, it's kind of, I get the Fitbit charge. That's an amazing, by the way, two week battery life. Yeah. I'm really jealous. The thing with smart watches in particular is that, you know, some of the things that take up battery most on your just regular smartphone are things like internet, because that, that turns on the phones, radio, not like AMF and radio, but the thing that actually makes like network requests. Yeah. And then Bluetooth and the constant needing to pull data, like pull data, that's just going to eat battery. So the fact that it's smart is it's just, you know, I mean, I think the Fitbit, because it's so like, like task focused means it can be super optimized, but when you open it up to doing all the things, it needs all the power for all the things. So it's just, I, it is just, you can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to battery

Jason Howell (01:03:48):
Functionality. Yeah. Yeah. Based on currency, unfortunately. But I would love a world where the pixel watch lasts, lasts a week. Heck yes. And if the pixel watch came out doing all that it does and it lasted a week then we'd have, like, there would be a serious competition going on in wearables. Like that would be amazing. Yeah. That would be incredible. Apple would be, you know, falling over themselves, trying to figure out how they make the apple watch last week. Cause to my knowledge, it doesn't right. Like I don't have an apple watch, but what does it last couple of days

Ron Richards (01:04:21):
Would be

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:22):
My guess. Yeah. It's like we chat saying about couple days, 1.7, five days. Yeah. John Jordan says, so

Jason Howell (01:04:28):
I know. Yeah. I know that. I know that the apple watch usually performs longer than a lot of the smart watches that are, you know, running Android. But, but I don't think it's any more than two days. Alright. So Vaughn from Ohio writes in to say, listen to the most recent episode about post IO. And I have some ideas about the smart glasses, not only the camera not including the camera is a good thing. I think it's not needed. I believe smart glasses are best seen as a secondary display for passive information. So when I'm on a 60 mile bike ride, instead of having to turn on my phone screen to see on my app, how fast I'm going and what my heart rate is and how long before the next turn, I can just glance to the side of my glasses and see all that information already there. This reduces distraction greatly. It allows me instant access to information while keeping my eyes on the road. I can also see them being useful for silent notifications, all of these things, by the way, Google lasted in its initial iteration.

Ron Richards (01:05:25):
Yeah. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:05:25):
The watch is great for a secondary active display for actions you need to do that. Take five to 10 seconds reading and responding to a text, changing music, volumes, skipping tracks, et cetera plus sensors for health related things like the apple watch. And my, my words that touches on what we were just talking about with <laugh> the previous email, all of those things are the things that eat all that battery anyways. Other possible use for the glasses would be speech to text for hearing impaired people add this to the already built in live caption function that Google put into their phones. They could absolutely make hard of hearing people's life so much better. And I totally agree. That would be a pretty killer app great for accessibility reasons. So, yeah, I just thought that was kind of a good summation of, of the things that VA actually finds value in for, for smart glasses.

Jason Howell (01:06:19):
Maybe these glasses that were shown off at IO will do all of these things and a whole lot more, but it is interesting. I think pointing out, not including the camera person, my personal experience with Google glass was that the camera was my favorite part. But I'm one person, you know, I I'm, and I'm, if the glasses are amazing in a number of different ways and they don't have cameras, I don't think that kills the product necessarily. I just, I enjoyed recording video from that perspective. I think it's, mm-hmm <affirmative> anytime I go back and watch some of the videos that I recorded with Google glass, it really is like, I'm reliving a experience instead of just watching something I recorded on my phone and they should

Ron Richards (01:06:56):
Make two versions. You got some, two versions,

Jason Howell (01:06:58):
Google glass, that's it camera

Ron Richards (01:07:00):
With a camera

Jason Howell (01:07:00):
Without one, no, with one without. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:07:03):
Yeah. And, and Jason, you got, you got like some like commercial making life moments with your Google glass, with your kids, right? Yeah. Like you've got like literally like the definition of why you wear this thing. Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:07:14):
Yeah. With my younger daughter taking her first steps. Yep. I was wearing who Google glass. And she was walking towards me and like looking in my eyes, which meant in the video, she's looking at me, you know, and yeah, totally. You're right. Ron. Like, I actually was kind of wondered after I, I put that video on social. I was like, is Google, see this? Like, it's gonna end up in a commercial. Cause it was like the perfect, there was like a prime example.

Ron Richards (01:07:37):
It's the exact, like, it's the exact shot like that we've seen so many of these Google videos.

Jason Howell (01:07:42):
Yeah. Totally show

Ron Richards (01:07:43):
People using it. And like, it's like, you know, holding the kid and the kid walking for the first time.

Jason Howell (01:07:47):
Yeah. It, it absolutely

Ron Richards (01:07:48):
Was. Yeah. You just need, like, you just need the indie rock guitar or the Blinky piano playing in the background and it's perfect. That's

Jason Howell (01:07:55):
Yeah. And, and that, that particular type font with letters moving in. Yeah, exactly. Zooming out. Exactly. Cousin Jean chat asks, how does she feel about that video nowadays? I assume you're talking about my younger daughter who took her first steps. She is now nine years old. And

Ron Richards (01:08:10):
Has she taken more steps or

Jason Howell (01:08:12):
She's she, yes. She's taken a few more steps. Yeah. I mean, she's seen the video. She thinks it's great. She love, she she's very nostalgic. She loves watching videos of the family. And she especially loves watching videos of herself. So yes, she's seen that many times and she thinks it's really cool. So that's the answer to your question?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:33):
I do. Like's interpretation of the glass as part of like ambient the whole like ambient computing idea. Yeah. Where you kind of have like computing and search and information available, like wherever you go, whether it's on your nest or your watch. And yeah. Like as, as Vaughn mentions, like the watch. So the glass, like this version of glass kind of pays into it where, where it's not where it's meant to be kind of like, again, information as where you go and as you need it almost in, not predictive, but yeah. Like ambient, like in almost like in a literal sense with the, like the words popping up, like by yeah. Like people's faces, you know? So I do like that interpretation a lot, but I'm with you, it would be, I mean, like, it would be nice to have options to, I don't know, to glass mm-hmm <affirmative> if it ever comes back to like the mainstream, I know it's, I know glass never left, but you know, if we get like, you know, consumer widespread glass glasses, glass glasses, again <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:09:26):
Yep. Got

Ron Richards (01:09:26):
Some options. I will, I will say I did laugh because I'm, I'm, I'm several weeks behind on TV, but me and my wife have been watching the Showtime series about Uber. I dunno if anybody seen this.

Jason Howell (01:09:39):
Oh, I haven't series

Ron Richards (01:09:40):
Super, no super pumped. Yeah. With, with Jessica Gordon Levit as, as that awful guy. But there, there was a scene. Yeah. There was a scene at a at a conference where Google was showing off their self-driving car. And David CRUK was playing ser Serge Brin. And and he's at the conference and he is, you know, someone's interviewing about it and Serge says, you know, eh, self-driving car, it's pretty. I think it's pretty cool. He's like, but of course I said that about Google glass and everybody laughed. Haha. He's like, wow, that's a, let's a deep cut nerd joke. That is like that's. Yeah. So,

Jason Howell (01:10:16):
But at the same, it is a deep cut nerd joke. But then at the same time, like the Google glass, like controversy, if you will. Yeah. Google glass gate, maybe it's maybe it qualifies as a gate. A lot of non-techy people were aware of that. You know what I at least, I mean, well, okay. Balance that with the fact that I still, I live in the bay area. And so I guess that's the lens that I look, look at it through, but people were very like passionately either, you know, passionately against it from a privacy standpoint, like how dare you have glasses or have a camera on your face, you can record everything. And I don't even know that it's happening. So maybe it maybe it's less deep than we might might imagine, but

Ron Richards (01:10:59):
Yeah, too funny, too funny. Yeah. But anyway, but as Jason, as, as bay area asks people, watching that because they filmed a lot of it in San Francisco, like in spots and it's just, that's a trip to watch. It's like watching our, you know, like a like, cause it all happened. It all, I mean, like for me, that was all happening while I was in San Francisco. Hell like there's, you know, people on the show that actors are playing that are, that are supposed to be people I know. And I'm friends with. Right. Like it's weird. It's a weird, it is a weird uncanny valley thing happening where yeah. So it's strange, but yeah.

Jason Howell (01:11:32):
I'll to watch it.

Ron Richards (01:11:33):
Yeah. Anyway. All right, cool. So I feel like it's been a while since I've been able to do this, but here we are. We're back together again for the email of the week, the sweet sound of the email of the week. And alright. So we got an email from CA Miller who writes in and says, I enjoyed the recent discussion of the change in the Amazon apps, audible and Kindle in Android, where you can no longer purchase digital content in the app. I find this to be a major downgrade and much more inconvenient. One thing I haven't seen discussed is something that seems really obvious. Amazon has its own app store for Android. Does anyone have any idea why they won't provide fully functional versions of those apps in their own app store, which isn't limited by Google play store requirements and fees is the Amazon app store, apparently some sort of dead issue and they are facing it out maybe.

Ron Richards (01:12:26):
And these are all great questions to Miller. And I feel like it's also very timely given our earlier point in our conversation about the Kindle fire. Yeah. And how many people have them out there and things like that, knowing, and this is completely my speculation. I no, you know, don't touch anyone on Amazon. Matt and you know, and hun I'd love your, kind of your, your feedback as a developer, but managing multiple code bases might get complicated for Amazon in an area of their business that they don't really focus on a lot. You know, like having a version that does this and a version that does that and all that sort of stuff might be too complex. I don't know. Maybe not, but I, I don't know why they wouldn't have a fully functional version available on their devices through their app store. Other than maybe I don't even know why to be honest. I have no. Why, no idea. Do you guys have any idea?

Jason Howell (01:13:13):
Well, I, yeah. I mean, I think that's a really something that I hadn't considered is when, when when you are prohibited from, you know, when, when they remove that functionality from their app, because Google says on Android, you can no longer do this unless you go through us and they say, no, we're not gonna do that. So they don't, aren't playing ball and they pull it out. I guess the big question is, does Amazon have a different version of their app going forward that they can do that on their own hardware that is running Android, but it's not running, Google's Android, it's running a different kind of Android. So they, it's not like they couldn't do that because it's their own kind of fork of Android. So of course they could don't they already do this though. But that's my question because I haven't had a fire tablet in a long time. So, you know, maybe through the app, it, it was PO, it used to be possible on Android now it's not, but like, do they have a fork of their own app going on the, on the fire tablet? Or maybe there's a different section in the fire tablet that you can actually still buy audible books

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
And books. I feel like all the Amazon apps are always had less functionality that's like, than the, than any other, an version of it, including, you know,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:14:20):
So it's a little, this story's a little weird because it's, it's an Amazon app. Right. And we're talking about the, so we're talking about the, an Amazon app in the Amazon store. So I think it's a fairer question to be like, well, why don't they just make that? But, so I will say my first impression is that it's always a numbers game. We, you know, I I'd mentioned this before that if there's not lot of users, it's not gonna behoove you to, you know, do what it takes to maintain a app on a non Google play store. So for example, we Trello was on the Amazon apps for a while, but you know, it's not nothing to have it on there, but the thing that really got us, and I think we is gonna answer the question of why are apps on the Amazon store stripped down?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:01):
Is that for one, you cannot get Google play services, unless your app is Amazon, Google play and Google play services is the, the portal, the backend that allows you to get a lot of the advanced Google services, like location, like Google fit, like all these kind of like advanced APIs that Google have. You have to get in through go Google play services and you have to be on Google play to get them. So that's why it, that's why we actually, a big reason why we left the Amazon app store is that for example, we have location location used to be not part of Google play services, but I forgot what year it was, but they started bundling it into Google play services. And there's other things that we do like I think I wanna say like marketing related stuff and, and other kind of services that we want that are on Google play services only. So if you are an app and you want it to be fully featured and you use a lot of these things, you just, why would I, you know, you'd have to create a strip down version for the Amazon app store or any other third party app store. So,

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
And it would be two versions

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:00):
Just to, it would be two versions. Yeah. And, and so you'd, and you, it would be also a design issue, cuz if, you know, some of these features are integral to your app, then you're gonna have to design a version that, I mean, I, I guess for lack of a graceful way of saying it, a crappier version of your app that omits all these features. So it actually could end up being just basically two different apps and who wants to do that? And I think even, I, I would even say like, imagine what, you know, even the numbers of audible, like what, what are the audible download numbers on the Amazon app store presuming it's there? Is it not there? Sorry, I didn't, I kind of missed that from oh

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Yeah. Audible's definitely

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:32):
On the, okay, so yeah. Tablet,

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
The fire tax.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:36):
Yeah. Maybe even Amazon of its own app has a numbers issue where they're not getting the downloads on audible on the fire tablets that are, that, that, or whoever has the Amazon app store. Maybe they have our numbers issue too, where they have only so many thousands of people, but millions of people have it on, you know, regular Google play, having smartphone. So yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a dead issue, but it's, it's definitely not. Yeah. It's not a great it's. Yeah. I'm

Jason Howell (01:17:09):
My, I'm super curious now to know how that's handled on the fire tablet and yeah. Maybe someone who has a fire tablet can, you know, maybe someone who gets the very next fire tablet, because then we know it's been updated. Like if you still have an outdated version, you know, you probably still have the hooks to buy. I would just be really surprised if Amazon said, Hey, we've created these tablets that are designed to sell our content and we're not selling it anymore because on Google's app on, on the Google play store version of our app, we aren't allowed to sell through the app. So we've removed it. Yeah. I'd be really surprised if they made that decision on their own hardware. Like there must be another way to buy this stuff on the Amazon tablets. It's gotta be,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:53):
It's gotta be, it's gotta, it's gotta be. But yeah, if you're curious, that's, that's probably why that, that that's, that's kind of also why some of these divisions exist and why the Amazon app store might. Why? I mean, and that's, it kind of goes back to our other, our other stories, right. About, you know, wanting more third party like markets and, and more freedom that even if say Google was more open and let you have third party, you know, markets by design, those apps are probably gonna have a, oh, sorry. The,

Jason Howell (01:18:26):
Did you need to, how did you I'm here? Do you mean,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:31):
Did I hog?

Jason Howell (01:18:31):
I'm here to help?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:33):
My goodness. I've

Jason Howell (01:18:35):
Been so bored. I've been so bored listening to you. Talk about Android. Could you just ask me a question, stop

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:40):
Smacking stuff, smack talking, my daddy, like, you know, kind of stuff. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's weird because we, we kind of complain about this, but there's a lot of apart from the fact that, you know, the play billing policy are, are what they are. There's a lot of other mechanisms that kind of force us, or at least be ho us to, to focus all of our efforts onto Google play. And that's yeah. I mean the equation point, we were like, okay, we're not gonna support Amazon store cuz we just don't have the numbers and it's not the extra hours we spend on that could be spent on something else. So now that I say that, I was like, wow. Yep. It's that's how it is. Y'all sometimes

Jason Howell (01:19:16):
That's how it is.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:17):
Wow. Yeah. Mm

Jason Howell (01:19:18):
That's the way it goes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:20):
<Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:19:21):
Have fun with your fine tablet way. Its <laugh> oh, not another song on my head. There you go. There you go. <Laugh> make a mash up by the end of this, this episode. Yeah. All. So that was our email. The week precise Burke was like, we're done right on C Miller. Congratulations. You, you got us thinking and we appreciate this. Got AAA TV for anyone else who wants to get those horns that salute for your amazing email. Send us an email, let us know what's on your mind. Oh yeah. All right. And with that last sounding of the horn we are done with this show, we have reached the end of this episode. Thank you so much for watching and listening. When, what do you wanna leave people with what you got cooking right now?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:12):
Just usual kind of stuff. You can find any technical content I have on Android development at my website, randomly typing.com. And you can find me daily, just babbling about Android and other things on Twitter and Instagram at queen call monkey

Jason Howell (01:20:29):
Queen code monkey

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:32):
Samoa <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:20:33):
That's your theme song. If Twitter, if Twitter ever allows for a theme song to be attached to your profile, you can just clip that out and you know, you have perfect

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:41):
That that's perfect. Jason, that's all I need. There you go.

Jason Howell (01:20:43):
That's perfect. It's a future. It's coming in the future. <Laugh> thank you. When what about you, Ron?

Ron Richards (01:20:48):
Yeah, so you can go follow me on Twitter and on Instagram, I'm at Ron XO there. And if you're looking for something else to listen to on a little, little entertainment, talk, head over to I fanboy.com where this month's media explode podcast that I joined on. Me and the guys, we talked about what we've been watching. We talked a little bit about Picard and star Trek discovery. But then the main thrust of the conversation of the podcast was about winning time, which is I think Jason, I told I, I mentioned this on the show recently, the LA Lakers show on HBO. So I encourage everybody to go check that out and you go over to Iffa by.com where you subscribe to the podcast and you, you could hear it there. As we talk about a very cool show on HBO.

Jason Howell (01:21:29):
Yeah. Do you have to be a huge fan of basketball to appreciate

Ron Richards (01:21:31):
No and no, not at all. And, and John C Riley's and, and honestly the entire cast, Adrian Brody Jason Siegel, like, like, and, and people you've never even heard of, or, or, or seen in other things it's been really, it is really, I'm not a basketball fan at all. And the show is one of the best shows of the year that I've watched so far. So

Jason Howell (01:21:50):
Really. Okay.

Ron Richards (01:21:51):
All right. So recommend

Jason Howell (01:21:52):
Nice. Yeah, that's all I need to know. That's perfect. I very well done to my list. Nice. big, thanks to Burke here in the studio, pushing buttons, making it happen. Not pushing the fireworks button. I'm still kind of, no, not forgiving you for that, but we'll work on it. We'll work on it. Oh, we're halfway there living on a prayer. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and then also thanks to Victor. Who's even more behind the scenes editing this show, turning it around, putting it into a podcast feed so that you can listen and watch any way you choose. So thank you for all the work you do. You can find me at Jason Howell on Twitter. You can find me doing tech news weekly every Thursday twitter.tv/tnw with my Sergeant. We have a lot of fun with that show and I think that's kind of all I have right now.

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Ron Richards (01:23:39):
A strong, there's a strong condemnation on the cases there for Jason at the end of

Jason Howell (01:23:43):
The show. That's right. Marsh. We're leaving you with that. See you next time. Bye. Everybody. <laugh> so long. See you

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